crystal palace away

[markscfc72]

i e-mailed palace to ask if they were going to be allowing potters fans without true supports cards to but tickets

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email with reference to the Crystal Palace v Stoke City match. With regards to your question of purchasing tickets from ourselves unfortunately we will not be selling tickets in advance to away supporters and tickets will need to be purchased from Stoke City directly.

I hope this answers your questions,

Kind regards

CPFC Ticket Office

[Pricey]

Hm....ask them if you can pay on the day.

[onewaynebiggins]

That's amazingly similar to the response people got last season.

onewaynebiggins

[SamB_SCFC]

I'm going to this game, 1st away game of the season now I've finally got my ID card be ironic if for this game they let non-ID carders in!!

[danstoke]

So. Wonder if they'll let the pondlife in, as they did at the fixture last year.

Top avatar by the way Muel.

[bread]

Pondlife or the people who bring the atmosphere?

I think away games had more of an atmosphere when anyone could go, west brom was about the best this season but only cus it was like a pre id card game.

Cheers Bread.

[danstoke]

I disagree on that one Bread. West Ham away was utterly, utterly wonderful. None stop singing, a brilliant response from the team and our first away point in nine attempts.

As for the 'pondlife' I meant the 'no surrender' brigade who were there at Selhurst in full effect inside and out last year. It's not big, it's not clever, and it sure ain't the kind of atmosphere I miss at all.

Oldham revival? No thanks.

[RipRoaringPotter]

Can someone tell me why this 'No Surrender' chant is so villified. OK then it has nothing to do with football, but then neither has 'You can shove your fucking camera up your arse (sideways)' but no one objects to that?

[NorwichStokie]

RRP,
At the risk of getting embroiled in an argument - this is my opinion:
The difference between the two songs is that "No Surrender" is the chant of a paramilitary organisation that brings misery to everyone, whereas the other one is people showing their displeasure (for whatever reason) at being videoed at a football match.
To me, it's not the actual song of "No Surrender" that I find all that offensive, it's what it stands for, how (and by whom) it was introduced into football, and the current connotation that it has with certain members of the footballing fraternity.

[RipRoaringPotter]

Well, I can't say I have extended knowledge on this subject but I will give my side of opinions. This is based on the fact that I don't know how (or by whom) this chant came into the game.

I think that it is not a particulary offensive song, although is partly political (and politics has no place in the beautiful game). The IRA are, as far as I know, are a terrorist organisation and this song advocates not giving in to these violent terrorists.
Something which i think most of us would agree with (not giving in).

As I said, this opinion is formed with limited knowledge on the subject. If someone can prove me wrong or come up with knowledge that makes my opinion look stupid, I will happily hold my hands up and admit it.

[onewaynebiggins]

It makes me laugh a bit,

Fans who sing " No Surrender " are labelled all sorts,

Thousands of Celtic fans at the UEFA cup final, sit in the town centre booming out Pro IRA anthems, and they get labelled as the best behaved supporters in the county.

Oh, and they were doing the same, when they played Man U in a pre-season Friendly.....in the same city where loads of innocent people were killed by an IRA bomb.

onewaynebiggins

[romfordstokie]

It’s a very trick one this. I was in the Sports Café in London last May when Rangers won the title on the last day. The over all feel was one of bigotry hatred and intimidation. On the other hand however there was one song about Bobby Sands which mad me laugh out load, so I’m not sure if it is fairly harmless or what.

Why a Stoke fan would wish to sing a protestant war song however is beyond me. The last time I was in Stoke it didn’t strike me as a place gripped by religious dis-quiet! The people who do sing it are almost to a man unsavoury.

[RipRoaringPotter]

I don't know in Stoke there is a under-brewing of hate, I can asure you that.

Between Stokies and Referees ;D

[Pricey]

Well there are quite a few Rangers 'fans' (3 I know off here who are most certainly not 'unsavoury') amongst the Stoke support. Some tradition in Stoke-on-Trent or something, I'm sure someone will know.

Whether they actually go to protestant churches or just support that side and sing 'No Surrender' and 'Fuck the Pope and the IRA' I don't know?!

[no1stokie]

Pricey e-mail them yourself you lazy git.

Or let someone else do it like normal.

[Pricey]

I've got a True Supporters card and would rather not see the 300 rowdy hooligan people that were there last time so no I won't e-mail them.

[no1stokie]

Ok fine, i reckon that we need all the fans we can get though for away agmes at the moment and therefore would like the rowdy holigans there as long as they stop being rowdy or hooligans. And if we win, who knows they might get ID cards.

But this whole thing goes right back to the argument of ID cards.

[Pricey]

They can't get ID cards can they, thats the point of them being hooligans!

[JR]

Pricey, a bit harsh labelling 300 as hooligans because they don't have ID cards. I went without one last year as did someone who came with me. There was no trouble whatsoever. I think we're in danger of labelling those without cards as troublemakers which they're not necessarily, they're just supporters without ID cards.

I think we're becoming snobs If there was chanting from a small minority then ok. It's not them and us so to speak. It was a good day out at Palace last year (result aside) and I'm sure if there was a disturbance then the ID law would be enforced this time which it seems it may not be.


Are we feeling threatened by our own supporters now?

[Pricey]

I'm not having that JR. I bet there were no more than 800-1000 card holders at that Palace game. I don't know what the away attendance was but I'd figure somewhere in the region of 1,700 (hope I haven't massively over-estimated again here). There were certainly between 200-300 there that didn't give a toss about the match and just spent the 90 minutes. singing 'No Surrender', winding up the Palace fans, etc, etc.

I would certainly never say anyone without an ID card was a hooligan.

That wasn't what I meant at all.

[JR]

Calm down Pricey ;D

Can see your point but I think you've over exaggerated the situation. Was a good atmosphere and you get the odd ones I admit but certainly didn't spoil it for me.

There was a section of Palace fans giving it loads and some giving it back. Isn't that fairly normal though? I bet if you asked these individuals about the politics of Northern Ireland they would struggle to tell you. When in a crowd etc

I think I might have mis-interpreted what you were getting at slightly (not like me to admit that ) but it wasn't a major incident really. Just a few out of a pretty decent following.

[Pricey]

OK then...100 at least (numbers going down all the time...)....;D

I still think there were plenty of undesirables there. They didn't spoil the day for me either but when theres a great atmosphere, I don't like it being fucked up by some people singing 'Fuck the Pope and the IRA' to be honest.

It's like they were saying 'look at us, look at us...we're still here and we can still sing songs that have no relevance to football or sport in general'.

[JR]

Come on Pricey.....more like 30 (still going down)


A very small minority. You get undesirables everywhere......even on here

Wouldn't worry about them matey

[Pricey]

100, I stop there.

[slangking]

'No surrender' - that's the one favoured by thick as fuk squaddie wnakers. No thanks.

[youthster]

indeed - no thanks. i went last year with my 6 yr old daughter, and won't be going this time if the aformentioned 'pondlife' are. 30 of 'em?!? there were LOADS...compare this match with west ham - well there IS no comparison. we don't need them there.

[Pricey]

Thank-you youthster....how many do you reckon then; 100, 200 or even more?

Thats a shame about you not going. I was sat fairly close to the back, and although you could still hear what they were chanting and everything it wasn't intimidating and didnt really spoil the match all that much. Just had me going a bit.

[JR]

mmmmm.....beg to differ on this. Hardly comparable to a night match at West Ham, an huge end of season relegation game. There were a few looking to intimidate other fans from both sides but they didn't bother me and those with me.

A bit of chanting never hurt anyone.

Will the next post claim 300?

I enjoyed the day out personally.

[youthster]

no, you're right, pricey, i wasn't that intimidated, but when you're got young kids with you, you do notice this stuff more, and take more care to avoid it. anyway, it's better without it...but is about right!

jr - 300 wouldn't surprise me, actually, as they weren't all in that bunch in the middle, but seemed to be spread around (i was near the front). either way, it was a lot more than 30...

[NorwichStokie]

300? More like 500! ;D

No, seriously, I think there was at least 100 of the No Surrender crowd, with at least 50 of them in town afterwards trying to 'large it' with the local fans and police.
I have to disagree with what No1Stokie said earlier...
/me Ok fine, i reckon that we need all the fans we can get though for away agmes at the moment and therefore would like the rowdy holigans there as long as they stop being rowdy or hooligans. And if we win, who knows they might get ID cards.

We're currently on a potentially record equalling/breaking run, so we obviously don't need all the fans we can get for away games at the moment, so I'd rather the rowdy hooligans just stay away.
They also wouldn't be rowdy hooligans if the they weren't being rowdy or hooligans