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Post by spongebob on Jan 21, 2004 19:34:07 GMT
I think the club already uses the price class system for the Stan Matthews suite. Talking to a Walsall fan today, he told me that the cheapest ticket for them brought before the day is £9. Stoke are now paying the price for years of total greed. It will take some very strong and brave decisions to put it right.
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Post by Pricey on Jan 21, 2004 20:12:28 GMT
Blimey, theres so much isn't there? I'll put a few down and add to the message if I think of anymore.
1. No extra £2 on the day in the Boothen End.
2. £19 price limit anywhere in the ground.
3. Change under 17's to under 19's.
4. Include students in the under 19's/OAP pricing bracket.
5. £16 next season in the Boothen, £15 the season after (for adults); £9 next season, £8 the season after (for under 19's/OAP/Students) and £8 next season, £7 the season after (for under 11's). Adjust prices in other stands and season ticket prices accordingly.
6. Cheapest season ticket deadline two weeks after the season has finished.
7. Attempt to make both blocks 19 and 20 unreserved. Offer season ticket holders in Block 20 seats in Blocks 21 to 25 with an incentive (£25 off for instance). I know people might be miffed by this one as the people in Block 20 would be getting a discount, but it would only be for one season and would encourage them to move elsewhere and get a better atmosphere going. If there is a wall in Block 20 (just in front of row 14-ish?!) allow people there to keep their seats if they are there because they are unable to stand up all the time, etc. If enough people don't want to move forget it!
8. Season tickets in the family stand £100 for under 19's and £50 for under 11's.
9. Get rid of the gimmicky £199 and £339 season ticket prices. £200 and £340.
10. DO NOT scale matches.
11. I don't know how much car park tickets are (£5 is it?) but £3 maximum.
12. Massively publicise the payment plans available for season tickets.
13. Pay on the turnstile in all stands. 2 or 3 turnstliles each. Allow away fans to pay on the turnstile at ALL turnstiles.
14. Club make no profit from official coaches.
15. Give people their money back they paid for ID cards. We didn't want them, why should we pay?
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Post by RobPa on Jan 21, 2004 20:49:42 GMT
i think 1 unreserved block is enough and alot of the stuff u menitoned has got no chance of happening
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Post by Pricey on Jan 21, 2004 20:55:48 GMT
Like what?
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Post by RobPa on Jan 21, 2004 21:05:07 GMT
3. Change under 17's to under 19's.
4. Include students in the under 19's/OAP pricing bracket.
5. £16 next season in the Boothen, £15 the season after (for adults); £9 next season, £8 the season after (for under 19's/OAP/Students) and £8 next season, £7 the season after (for under 11's). Adjust prices in other stands and season ticket prices accordingly.
7. Attempt to make both blocks 19 and 20 unreserved. Offer season ticket holders in Block 20 seats in Blocks 21 to 25 with an incentive (£25 off for instance). I know people might be miffed by this one as the people in Block 20 would be getting a discount, but it would only be for one season and would encourage them to move elsewhere and get a better atmosphere going. If there is a wall in Block 20 (just in front of row 14-ish?!) allow people there to keep their seats if they are there because they are unable to stand up all the time, etc. If enough people don't want to move forget it!
8. Season tickets in the family stand £100 for under 19's and £50 for under 11's.
9. Get rid of the gimmicky £199 and £339 season ticket prices. £200 and £340.
11. I don't know how much car park tickets are (£5 is it?) but £3 maximum.
14. Club make no profit from official coaches.
15. Give people their money back they paid for ID cards. We didn't want them, why should we pay?
All of them id say
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Post by Pricey on Jan 21, 2004 21:08:05 GMT
What's wrong with 3, 4, 5, 8, 9 and 11?
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Post by danstoke on Jan 21, 2004 21:45:26 GMT
Oi! Pricey! Get yer hands off me seat yer robbin bugger! (see no 7 in the post above)
Dan (block 20 season ticket holder)
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Post by bogus on Jan 21, 2004 23:17:29 GMT
I'd have preferred to have had a say on this after the Walsall game. It will be interesting to see what affect it has on revenue and attendance,
If it's a success then I'd like to see £15 & £10 every week in all stands.
If it's not a success then I believe the club should leave prices where they are.
I do not believe the club can be competetive at this level and reduce prices/revenues even further.
Success for me is the only thing that will guarantee larger crowds. If we were sustained top six and looking good I'm sure the attendances would reflect the higher status.
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Post by Pricey on Jan 21, 2004 23:23:36 GMT
Block 21, Row 33, Seat 320.
My old seat.
-Dead centre of goal
-No atmosphere whatsoever
-Two lads sitting behind who are comedy geniuses
-Close proximity to OS and OSS (if they are still there)
-Guy that looks like Hard Bastard in seat 321
-Errrrrrrr, not a lot else really
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Post by browneyedboy on Jan 22, 2004 0:09:20 GMT
Tel, another suggestion that I've mentioned before a while back...how about making 1 or 2 blocks behind the goal in the boothen end the Official Singing Section? It'd improve the singing and atmostphere no end and once the singers are all singing, people who sing less frequently tend to join in.
As it is, all the people who sing are spread too far apart with mostly quiet people between them and songs just don't get started. In my experience, we make more noise at away games!
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Post by britanniaviews on Jan 22, 2004 12:25:39 GMT
How about making all Season Ticket Holders members of the True Supporter Scheme ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2004 13:17:59 GMT
i can remember not so many years ago at the Vic, my dad had to pay £23 for both our tickets. & this is prob only going back 10year at most. i think the club need to bear in mind that Stoke isnt one of the wealthiest places to live & the price structure should reflect that.
maybe run a deal for students aswell. everyday of the year im put £11 with my loan, & by the time rent, food bills, uni costs etc all payed for im left with £15 a week. a little help there wouldnt go amis.
but generally prices are just too high. a 'family' club should be attracting families to come along & pay family prices. say 2 adult & a child £30 with any addition kids at £1 a ticket?
boothen & sentinal £16 would be bad
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 22, 2004 13:22:48 GMT
What's wrong with 3, 4, 5, 8, 9 and 11? Nothings wrong with them, all excellent suggestions but the guy was just making a point that there's no chance the club are going to agree to any of those!! This is Stoke City, you know the board wont make those kind of concessions!! The best we'll get is a quid or so off gate prices and perhaps they might review the cheap season ticket deadlines. |
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Post by Pricey on Jan 22, 2004 13:33:40 GMT
Under 17's to under 19's- don't the club know about 75% of school-leavers are still in full-time education for AT LEAST another two years?
Students- lots of them do 30+ hours a week and haven't got time to earn money.
Price reductions- Reasonable enough I think.
Half under 19's and under 11's season ticket prices in the family stand- why the bloody hell not? I payed £50 and £23 for my first two season tickets at the Brit, I was 13 and 14! They have to be brought with an adult ticket anyway don't they?
Gimmick prices- I suppose this one doesn't really matter. But we're not Argos for God's sake!
Car park tickets- £5 is an absolute disgrace!
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Post by Rex on Jan 22, 2004 14:05:48 GMT
Assuming our current average on home games continues to be what is is now 13,830.. would total 318090 total attendance throughout the season.
all the figures below are an average.
At £10 £3189899
At £15 £4771350
At £20 £6361800
Now if we get an average of 20,000 per game, it would take the total attendance to 460000
At £10 £4600000
At £15 £6900000
At £20 £9200000
So if the club drop the average season ticket price to £230 and get just 3,000 more ST holders total of 9000,it would raise revenue to £2070000
and drop the pay on the gate to £10 then I am sure they would be no worse off than what they are now.
I'm sure someone out there has got a better financial brain than me. so I'll let them work it out ;D
Rex
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Post by foxsave on Jan 22, 2004 14:28:45 GMT
Adv/Day
£8/£9 children
£13/£14 adult
I strongly believe in these prices. Any money lost on matchday would be made up by increased marketing capabilities.
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Post by POS51 on Jan 22, 2004 15:37:21 GMT
Im in the enviable position of having a cousin who just happens to be a scout and so get to go see the mighty potters for free. However, Before this fantastic situation arose i did have to kind of pick and choose my matches. Bacically, when i could afford to go. Lets remember, its not just the price of getting in, its also getting to and from the ground, parking, the obligatory pre-match pie-n-pint. The manditory copy of the Oatcake. It all mounts up. In this day and age you cant expect prices to fall though a price cap would go down well, or, as others have suggested a different price depending on the opposition seems a fantastic idea!
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Post by RAF on Jan 22, 2004 17:29:32 GMT
I don't class Crwho as Local Rivals!!!
I think all tickets for home supporters should be 15 quid for Adults and a tenner for kids and away supporters should have to pay what they charge us when we go there!!!
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Jan 22, 2004 19:19:30 GMT
Tel - I've had a think about this and overall I think that its unlikely we will see either a fixing to this season's price or a reduction  . Overall, therefore, I think that the idea (expressed on here a few times) of a pricing structure depending on opposition is worth a real go. The thing for me and my lads though (as a season ticket holders) is to make sure we do not loose out (that's not to say I begrudge those taking up the offers like the one for the Warsaw game). This means knowing who the opposition will be next season (and we will not know this until possibly the final day) and then categorising the matches. Seasons tickets prcies should then reflect these. Hope you get on Ok in your discussions. LS |
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Post by browneyedboy on Jan 22, 2004 22:13:32 GMT
This means knowing who the opposition will be next season (and we will not know this until possibly the final day) and then categorising the matches. Seasons tickets prcies should then reflect these. The club don't need to know in advance of pricing up season tickets who we were gonna play. They could simply say that, out of the 23 home league games 8 could be category A, 7 category B and 8 category C. That way, the 8 most attractive fixtures would be A and the 8 least attractive fixtures C, the remainder B. The actual teams for each category could be worked out later (maybe even during the season itself). |
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Post by Aston on Jan 22, 2004 23:03:12 GMT
I think pies should be £1.50, tops.
The current price of pies is seriously forcing me to consider my season-ticket next year.
Or maybe some sort of offer, buy five, get two free?
Pies should definately be cheaper when we play nobody's like Crwho?, just to give the occasion more appeal and satisfaction.
In the words of that strange baseballer from Fields of Costner..."Reduce pie prices, ....and they will come".
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Post by tel2u on Jan 23, 2004 15:50:53 GMT
Come on Folks, there's still time to contribute.
All the previous messages have been collated, and will consolidate the information we'd already collected, so its not a wasted exercise by posting your opinions.
The meeting with the Club is next Wednesday at 4pm.
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Post by adesgonnagetyer on Jan 23, 2004 16:01:10 GMT
Surely the most important thing, as Tim Gallimore pointed out in his Sentinel article yesterday, is to bring back the thousands of disenfranchised fans, for whom going to the match is just not an option under the current pricing structure.
As Tim pointed out, we "need to get people back into the habit of coming to Stoke games".
This will only happen, in this area at least, with a ceiling of £15 for adults in The Boothen End.
A large swathe of fans can't even contemplate coming to the match - they know that it's just too expensive, and an unjustifiable use of income.£19 is just pie-in-the-sky pricing in this area.
And what an insult to see 10,000+ empty red seats every Saturday, while real priced-out fans have to settle for Radio Stoke.
What a dream it would be to see the Brit with 19-20,000 every week.
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Post by ritchie on Jan 23, 2004 21:34:08 GMT
Providing prices are consistent with those within our division and are applicable to prevailing local economics,and thought is given in advance to this detail then,we should not have to revert to mid season gimmicks to bring people through the gate.Since 1950 I have willingly supported scfc and shall continue to do so,occasionally though I do wonder what other product I would lay out £350 in advance for,without knowing what the vendor intends to offer in return,by way of plans for the future of our team and club, and indeed what they will eventually charge for the seat I am buying,later in the season!!
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Post by rower on Jan 24, 2004 7:49:33 GMT
Tel !
I think what Tim Gallimore quoted in the Sentivale,that he hopes to reach 10,000 season ticket sales,is way beyond the people of this city.
I really don`t know many people who don`t work shifts,so midweek games become almost impossible to attend and also as Saturdays are fast becoming a working day,I think a lot of people won`t buy season tickets because they will miss about 4 or 5 games a season,therefore they may as well pay on the day and reep the benefits of £10 games like Walsall.
so like I stated in an earlier post,a lot of the emphasis should go towards making getting into the ground not just more affordable but also easier to obtain entry.
rower
PS....and if Mike Wolfe has his way and puts council tax up 15% then I think that 1 or 2 people may be priced out altogether.
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Post by Rex on Jan 24, 2004 9:49:27 GMT
Rower, calm down son ;D
I have a feeling something radical is about to be announced if that is what Tim has reported to the sentinel ;D
Rex
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Post by Pricey on Jan 24, 2004 11:06:22 GMT
16. Unreserved season tickets in Block 19.
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Post by Pricey on Jan 24, 2004 21:35:31 GMT
Just bringing this back to the top of the board because it was slipping off the front page.
Also Tel, I know this has nothing to do with prices next season, but would it be possible for you to find out how many ID cards have gone unused since they were purchased? I'm just interested to know because it looks to me like people have bought them incase we get a big FA Cup tie or for the hell of it.
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Post by redandwhiterob on Jan 25, 2004 12:53:25 GMT
My humble ten penneth for what it's worth.
We need to bring back the missing masses and the only way to do this is to let them pay a reasonable amount on the day of the match. Do not sting them with an extra £2 because they choose to go on the day of the match.
A very important point to Remember - Stoke draw over 90% of their support from people who have a limited amount of cash to spend.
The choice is usually along the lines of "do I go to watch the match or shall I go for a few beers tonight?"
The beers usually win!
I know season ticket holders who have not been to the game for cup matches, and chosen to watch a game televised in their local.
Their is an argument to be had about attracting people to the game cheaply and getting extra revenue from food, programmes, souviniers, etc. It would be interesting to look at the figures that this type of approach generates.
I would say allow some 2-3000 "cheap seats" (areas that are usually not filled) for less than £15 (depending on the game) and when they are gone they are gone.
People will pay a couple of extra quid if they really want to get in, even upper tier prices for big games.
Also give the kids an option to get a very cheap season (£2 per game?) ticket if linked to an adult ticket.
Bloody hell - that was more like £10's worth than ten penneth!
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Post by dexter on Jan 25, 2004 16:22:26 GMT
Tel, To make any significant impact on attendances, I think matchday prices would need to be reduced to a level that the club is not seriously going to contemplate (£12 or £13). Maybe the odd game, a la Walsall, Rotherham, Brighton, but not for 23 matches. The best way to achieve real, sustainable growth (apart from having a successful team that performs week-in, week-out  ) is through season ticket pricing. I'd be looking for around a £100 reduction on this season's rates - say between £230 & £270. I'm pretty sure that, with the right publicity, we'd achieve 10,000 at those prices. |
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. Overall, therefore, I think that the idea (expressed on here a few times) of a pricing structure depending on opposition is worth a real go. The thing for me and my lads though (as a season ticket holders) is to make sure we do not loose out (that's not to say I begrudge those taking up the offers like the one for the Warsaw game). This means knowing who the opposition will be next season (and we will not know this until possibly the final day) and then categorising the matches. Seasons tickets prcies should then reflect these. Hope you get on Ok in your discussions.
) is through season ticket pricing. I'd be looking for around a £100 reduction on this season's rates - say between £230 & £270. I'm pretty sure that, with the right publicity, we'd achieve 10,000 at those prices.
