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Post by BrianLeicsStokie on Oct 23, 2008 15:51:24 GMT
If you did have a BNP mayor it would liven up all the main stream parties a bit True
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Post by Mr Wheeze on Oct 23, 2008 16:26:06 GMT
People vote BNP simply because they are fed up of this country becoming to politically correct. When you read things about people not being able to put up the Union Jack and St Georges cross flags outside houses, pubs etc, it drives you mad. The people who run this country are afraid to be proud to British/English i case it offends, and yet the people who they worry about it offending couldnt give a toss cos they know it wont offend them. I dont vote full stop cos like i say i think theyre all liars including the BNP, but i'd like to see a BNP member of parliament, cos that really would shake things up and give these PC dickheads a wake up call! Right, im just gonna don this tin hat now!
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Post by blurtonboy66 on Oct 23, 2008 16:32:46 GMT
Agree with you mr wheeze,
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Oct 23, 2008 16:38:02 GMT
Never a truer word spoken Wheeze
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Post by serpico on Oct 23, 2008 17:24:28 GMT
People vote BNP simply because they are fed up of this country becoming to politically correct. When you read things about people not being able to put up the Union Jack and St Georges cross flags outside houses, pubs etc, it drives you mad. The people who run this country are afraid to be proud to British/English i case it offends, and yet the people who they worry about it offending couldnt give a toss cos they know it wont offend them. I dont vote full stop cos like i say i think theyre all liars including the BNP, but i'd like to see a BNP member of parliament, cos that really would shake things up and give these PC dickheads a wake up call! Right, im just gonna don this tin hat now! You're saying people are actually prepared to vote for a hack because of a few cases of political correctness that get blown out of all proportion in the red top newspapers ? .... in a time when there are so many issues to be concerned about, thats rather depressing, although not to surprising, given how such stories are hyped up thus whipping up indignation amongst the blind nationalists.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 23, 2008 17:53:33 GMT
The only reason the BNP are rising in status is the absence of a true left-wing party. In reality the term "left-right" politics applies only to the economic spectrum, and the BNP are very left wing which a lot of people socialise with. Labour are scum and have moved so closely to the Tories that there's not a lot of difference anymore, in essence they're the same party with two sides.
If there was a genuine candidate for the Socialist side, maybe we'd see fewer votes for the BNP as people in Stoke simply do not want a economically-right sided party in power, but I feel the problem a lot of people have with the BNP is that they sit rather higher on the authoritarian front that other mainstream parties.
That I can sympathise with, the state of politics in this country is deplorable. I have no time for people who say "ban the BNP" because that is such a perverse and hypocritical argument to put forward. If there was a true range of parties to choose from, the extremists would never get into power because that's what they are; extreme, and by definition not "the mainstream" or the "normal".
I would not vote for the BNP because I would not trust their candidates as far as I could throw them. The proportion of their candidates (if the mainstream media is anything to go by) with a criminal record is higher, and although they appear to be friendly and more approachable than your stereotypical slimy politician I cannot help but think they're either very clever in manipulating this, or simply as they appear to be, not particularly sharp.
There's no doubt that the election of the BNP would be seen as a negative thing by the majority of people nationwide (and the detrimental effects that would have on our already god-forsaken City) , but if the BNP do manage to get a candidate into Parliament, that could see the emergence of a more libertarian Socialist party and increased popularity as a result.
God knows the state of political affairs in this country is stagnant, and it needs waking up as soon as possible. This could really inject some life into politics and hopefully get people caring enough about what's happening to actually get up and flamin' vote!
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Oct 23, 2008 18:26:50 GMT
Craig and Joe, I'm in Seabridge so I'm over the border too but I just hate Castle people pretending they're not from Stoke so much that I always say S-o-T Sal, for the first time I can recall, I have a different view - I get annoyed by people in Stoke saying "Stoke-on-Trent" or "the City" when they should say North Staffordshire. Mike Wolfe, when Mayor, used to refer to the urban conurbation as "Greater Stoke-on-Trent" which really annoyed me. As a compromise, you could put "North Staffordshire"??
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Oct 23, 2008 18:28:41 GMT
If you did have a BNP mayor it would liven up all the main stream parties a bit Idiotic.
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 18:37:21 GMT
why is that idiotic ive got to agree with lord eff there are you honestly happy to be living in a country where we are told how to live every aspect of or life because we arent far off
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 18:38:46 GMT
queue the insults due to me being 22 and ''clueless due to my age''
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 23, 2008 18:39:21 GMT
RJB, no sooner said than compromised with Boother, what a great post. It's going to take such a big head shift to persuade people who've had greed and fear hardwired into them to come back to socialism though - unless as you say it's the BNP version (that's the scary truth about the Nazis, they really were National Socialists, people sincerely voted to do what was done to Jews, gays, gypsies, Communists, disabled people etc). lordeff, be careful what you wish for... if you honestly want to live in a country governed by Sun editorials God help us...
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 23, 2008 18:41:01 GMT
But boosh, BNP policies are WAY more authoritarian than we already have.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 23, 2008 18:46:38 GMT
come on the boys! and girls! BNP ALL THE WAY! RULE BRITTANIA!
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 18:49:56 GMT
i know what your saying sal thats why i dont vote because as you no doubt know they are all liars including BNP i just think it would be nice to see a change i cant do with that mike wolfe nothin to do with him being gay its just something that happened in longton that was down to him and i do beleive in some of the this BNP stand up for although they are alittke extreme somtimes and its not me being racist before anyone starts
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 23, 2008 18:53:29 GMT
If you did have a BNP mayor it would liven up all the main stream parties a bit Especially when they start putting electrodes to peoples bits! I went to vote but I couldn't remember whether YES meant NO elected Mayor or NO meant YES there will be an elected mayor so I ticked both just to be sure I got the one I wanted!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2008 18:56:16 GMT
You do know Mike Wolfe isn't mayor anymore don't you Boosh?
I abhor the BNP and would never vote for them, but I can kind of see the argument that success for them here might wake up the established parties. Unfortunately, while I don't believe that anyone votes BNP without being in some way racially motivated, I also think that they are putting the time in to listen to people, whereas the mayor and the puppet masters around him have totally lost touch and are totally ignorant to the City's problems.
Maybe things have to get worse before they can get better, and the established parties wake up and start listening to people again.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2008 19:06:55 GMT
If you did have a BNP mayor it would liven up all the main stream parties a bit True Utter utter rubbish. How many companies would think about investing in this City with a racist mayor at it's head? Think about it.
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 19:13:06 GMT
yes i no he isnt its just i saw his name earlier in the thread. If im honest rvd i no that most of they time you speak sense but i cant agree with your ''I don't believe that anyone votes BNP without being in some way racially motivated'' comment some people just see the good in BNP like the fact that they want us to be proud of our country which i agree with. Quite possibly some of BNP are racist as are probably some of all other parties but nobody can honestly label every member of the party racist surely?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2008 19:16:01 GMT
I take your point boosh but do you think many people vote BNP for their policies on education? Or the economy? Or the environment? Do you think many BNP voters could even tell you what those polices are off the top of their head?
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 19:17:39 GMT
i think the BNP has changed alot over the years and even if they got in nationaly its not like they could make any radical changes to different nationalitys that are already here or coming in due to the european laws that we are tied to all they could really do is try to stop this OTT PC crap that we all have forced down our throats
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 19:20:20 GMT
no i dont mate and thats the reason i dont vote as i said before i do understand what your saying i just think it might do a bit of good as a one off to give the other parties abit of a kick up the arse
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 23, 2008 19:29:04 GMT
The BNP were handing out leaflets at the Everton game to keep the elected mayor system.
Do you know why?
They think they're shoo-ins for the role and then we wouldn't be able to get rid of them for 4 years.
Regardless of that, If ever you needed a reason to get rid of the elected mayor system, just look at Mark Meredith, the most useless waste of space in history.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2008 19:31:07 GMT
i think the BNP has changed alot over the years and even if they got in nationaly its not like they could make any radical changes to different nationalitys that are already here or coming in due to the european laws that we are tied to all they could really do is try to stop this OTT PC crap that we all have forced down our throats The BNP has not changed, what they have done is make themselves moe popular, for example I know that they allegedly do small jobs for folk in stoke, eg, grass cutting, gardening etc. And they have been active on the doorstep. However, you are talking about a party which if it ever came to power, have a leader with a history of racist related violence, who hides behind thugs who guard him and who denies the holocaust happened. They will immediately repatriate anyone not born in this country, so you can kiss over half of your football team goodbye. Incidentally I am not defending the mainstream parties who need a good kick up the arse for allowing this to happen.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2008 19:33:05 GMT
The BNP were handing out leaflets at the Everton game to keep the elected mayor system. Do you know why? They think they're shoo-ins for the role and then we wouldn't be able to get rid of them for 4 years. Regardless of that, If ever you needed a reason to get rid of the elected mayor system, just look at Mark Meredith, the most useless waste of space in history. Spot on on both counts.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2008 19:34:47 GMT
Well said, particularly re: No. 1 ;D I did actually miss out one: 3. Alb Walker's son Jimmy Walker is also a cunt' ;D I gather that Walker Jnr is a bit of a naughty boy, is this correct?
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 19:35:14 GMT
they couldnt possibly send anybody out of the country who is here legally though surely due to all the euro laws we have to abide by?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2008 19:38:30 GMT
they couldnt possibly send anybody out of the country who is here legally though surely due to all the euro laws we have to abide by? You might well think that but unforunately not. They will pull out of the EU on day one as well.
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 19:39:56 GMT
anyway havent you seen the abdy faye facts who could possibly get him to go anywhere he didnt want to
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Post by themightyboosh on Oct 23, 2008 19:41:32 GMT
i do understand what your saying and i certainly dont want that i just think if they got in locally in a few areas it could scare the other parties into action. Also to be honest just going back to what rob said i think the reason that BNP hvent and may well never get in is because like rvd said they dont concentrate on the important factors like education
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 23, 2008 19:43:20 GMT
anyway havent you seen the abdy faye facts who could possibly get him to go anywhere he didnt want to Abdy Faye is the exception ;D
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