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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 11:03:41 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 12, 2024 11:09:11 GMT
He seems like an arse. And so does his “friend”. Which doesn’t really surprise me because it’s pretty much how I imagine referees to be in their private life. Sorry but you can't generalise like that. I'm friends with a Select Group 2 ref and he's a top bloke. Coaches one of the local village junior teams and is very well liked in the local area The problem is, is that this massive weapon has tarred all refs, including your mate, with the same brush, however unfair that may be. It's like the police. One corrupt Copper and 'all coppers are corrupt'. One bad apple does spoil the whole barrel. In the eyes of some people anyway. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 12, 2024 11:30:26 GMT
Who really thinks that referees, unlike the billions of other people in the world, don't display bias, whether it's conscious or not? It's absurd to think they wouldn't. If someone calls you every name under the sun and goes public are they really expected to rise above it. And all he said was Liverpool played shit in a game and Klopp is a cunt. He didn't say anything like Mike Dean did. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 11:44:34 GMT
Who really thinks that referees, unlike the billions of other people in the world, don't display bias, whether it's conscious or not? It's absurd to think they wouldn't. If someone calls you every name under the sun and goes public are they really expected to rise above it. And all he said was Liverpool played shit in a game and Klopp is a cunt. He didn't say anything like Mike Dean did. Nottingham Forest got fined £750,000 for suggesting that a referee displayed bias. It can't be had both ways. Even if it's only an 'appearance' of impartiality, it is one that has to be protected at all costs, or else the game is gone. He can obviously no longer referee Liverpool or Everton games but what about last game of the season and Man City need to beat Arsenal to stop Liverpool winning the title, well he can't referee that game either and so on and so on. |
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Nov 12, 2024 11:45:59 GMT
I first saw this and thought ‘Hopefully big club managers will see this and think maybe screaming in the face of officials isn’t such a good idea after all.’
I doubt it though on reflection.
If you buckle and give the abusive manager everything he wants you get rewarded with more big games.
If you have the (imo correct) response of ‘F*** that guy, I’m going to show him what happens when you treat people like scum!’ you ruin your career.
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Post by GlennA on Nov 12, 2024 11:46:27 GMT
No argument with the bloke myself but if he tried to carry on he’d be unable to referee games involving Liverpool, Everton, anyone involved in the title race and anybody playing anyone involved in the title race, at least not without there being a huge attendant circus. I think the word is ‘untenable’. I'd say a period of suspension/reflection & allow him to ref in the EFL if he wants to carry on to remove any subconscious bias of reffing a Prem match that could influence Liverpool. Albeit that said I watched him referee the Liverpool v Villa match on Saturday evening and if anything, Villa were the team who came away feeling hard to done to from the officials decision making! Was 4yrs ago now and he was purely expressing an opinion that's someone's decided to sit on and release at a moment of their choice, no doubt for financial gain or a vengeance type statement. Yes he was wrong to express the opinion on camera and to record it using the type of language he has. There's been far worse happen in football including footballers, ex footballers, managers etc and the vast majority have found their way back into the game having committed far worse than this. He's done wrong, been outed and has damaged his reputation but let's not kid ourselves that he's some henious criminal who deserves a prison sentence! Yes no reason why he couldn’t come back quietly into the lower divisions at some point if he wanted to. Oh and no Liverpool cup games 🙂 |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 12, 2024 11:48:28 GMT
Who really thinks that referees, unlike the billions of other people in the world, don't display bias, whether it's conscious or not? It's absurd to think they wouldn't. If someone calls you every name under the sun and goes public are they really expected to rise above it. And all he said was Liverpool played shit in a game and Klopp is a cunt. He didn't say anything like Mike Dean did. Nottingham Forest got fined £750,000 for suggesting that a referee displayed bias. It can't be had both ways. Even if it's only an 'appearance' of impartiality, it is one that has to be protected at all costs, or else the game is gone. He can obviously no longer referee Liverpool or Everton games but what about last game of the season and Man City need to beat Arsenal to stop Liverpool winning the title, well he can't referee that game either and so on and so on. For saying Liverpool played shit and an ex manager is a cunt who he'd rather not speak to. To be honest, I don't see any bias in what he said but they obviously have to be seen to act. So he'll be off to Saudi or never referee again. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 12, 2024 12:15:32 GMT
He seems like an arse. And so does his “friend”. Which doesn’t really surprise me because it’s pretty much how I imagine referees to be in their private life. Sorry but you can't generalise like that. I'm friends with a Select Group 2 ref and he's a top bloke. Coaches one of the local village junior teams and is very well liked in the local area I was referring to professional referees. Could be wrong but that’s how most of them come across although I accept that they are under huge pressure. In my experience of playing I’d say most of the referees I encountered were normal enough. A few were excellent. A significant number were dickheads who seemed to love the “power” they had. |
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Post by skip on Nov 12, 2024 12:20:44 GMT
Should be sacked not suspended. Fucking idiotic thing to say, and to say it on camera is beyond idiotic. |
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Post by skip on Nov 12, 2024 12:24:36 GMT
Who really thinks that referees, unlike the billions of other people in the world, don't display bias, whether it's conscious or not? It's absurd to think they wouldn't. If someone calls you every name under the sun and goes public are they really expected to rise above it. And all he said was Liverpool played shit in a game and Klopp is a cunt. He didn't say anything like Mike Dean did. Nottingham Forest got fined £750,000 for suggesting that a referee displayed bias. It can't be had both ways. Even if it's only an 'appearance' of impartiality, it is one that has to be protected at all costs, or else the game is gone. He can obviously no longer referee Liverpool or Everton games but what about last game of the season and Man City need to beat Arsenal to stop Liverpool winning the title, well he can't referee that game either and so on and so on. If a referee isn't emotionally intelligent enough to do his or her job objectively, they shouldn't be doing the job. It's as clear as day when a ref is running around with a lob-on for their power; the body language, the performative facial expressions, chatting to players like they're fans not refs. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Nov 12, 2024 12:35:40 GMT
Kind of reminds me of Inside No. 9 (The referee one with David Morrisey). Worth a watch and a giggle, but it makes you wonder...
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Post by Los Alfareros on Nov 12, 2024 12:53:11 GMT
Fucking hell, the bloke is toast!
Someone has made some money at his expense, wankers. I mean he hasn't done anything corrupt as far as I can see regarding the officiating of the game, he says Liverpool were shit, and Klopp is a cunt. He does have a point.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 12, 2024 13:29:13 GMT
Should be sacked not suspended. Fucking idiotic thing to say, and to say it on camera is beyond idiotic. Disagree. Let's not forget Luiz Suarez had bitten a player in the past and been racist to another player in another incident! He wasnt sacked or not allowed to play again despite these being far more serious actions. Punished and allowed to continue. Jamie Carragher spitting at a kid though his car window. Done wrong, got punished and came back to work as a pundit! Paulo Di Canio assaulting the ref on the pitch?! Served his punishment and back to work! Cootes done wrong but does he really deserve the sack?! As Simon Jordon eloquently put it on TS this morning, those demanding he be sacked need to question their own agendas! |
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Post by walrus on Nov 12, 2024 13:53:53 GMT
Nottingham Forest got fined £750,000 for suggesting that a referee displayed bias. It can't be had both ways. Even if it's only an 'appearance' of impartiality, it is one that has to be protected at all costs, or else the game is gone. He can obviously no longer referee Liverpool or Everton games but what about last game of the season and Man City need to beat Arsenal to stop Liverpool winning the title, well he can't referee that game either and so on and so on. For saying Liverpool played shit and an ex manager is a cunt who he'd rather not speak to. To be honest, I don't see any bias in what he said but they obviously have to be seen to act. So he'll be off to Saudi or never referee again. He’s gay apparently so Saudi seems an unlikely destination. |
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Post by skip on Nov 12, 2024 14:47:21 GMT
Should be sacked not suspended. Fucking idiotic thing to say, and to say it on camera is beyond idiotic. Disagree. As Simon Jordon eloquently put it on TS this morning, those demanding he be sacked need to question their own agendas! I have no agenda. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 12, 2024 14:58:20 GMT
Should be sacked not suspended. Fucking idiotic thing to say, and to say it on camera is beyond idiotic. Disagree. Let's not forget Luiz Suarez had bitten a player in the past and been racist to another player in another incident! He wasnt sacked or not allowed to play again despite these being far more serious actions. Punished and allowed to continue. Jamie Carragher spitting at a kid though his car window. Done wrong, got punished and came back to work as a pundit! Paulo Di Canio assaulting the ref on the pitch?! Served his punishment and back to work! Cootes done wrong but does he really deserve the sack?! As Simon Jordon eloquently put it on TS this morning, those demanding he be sacked need to question their own agendas! I'm not suggesting he should be sacked from refereeing altogether, but I think you cannot compare referees and players in this context. It's a very different kettle of fish. Players don't hold the same level of responsibility in the game. There has to be trust in those officiating, if this is not there then its not practical for someone to be assuming any post with this kind of authority. It's going to be very difficult, if not impossible for him to resume his career at the level he is currently working. He could possibly still work in the Championship and lower for example(?), that is, if this video is proved to be authentic. The clubs he is officiating though need to be satisfied that he is not bringing any bias into his job. There is no way he can resume a career in the Prem. |
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Post by andyapotter on Nov 12, 2024 15:01:44 GMT
Just wondering. If refs had to declare who they don’t like as well as who they support, who would actually referee our games??
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 12, 2024 15:16:05 GMT
He's been naive to say the least, but the blokes who filmed and released it are beyond contempt too, given what they say on the footage.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 12, 2024 15:20:37 GMT
Disagree. As Simon Jordon eloquently put it on TS this morning, those demanding he be sacked need to question their own agendas! I have no agenda. But you think everyone who makes a mistake should be sacked?! |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 12, 2024 15:23:19 GMT
Is there any evidence of any dodgy decisions he has given against Liverpool when Klopp was manager?
It is one thing being caught on camera saying it, and he has been naïve to do so (as well as seemingly being taken advantage of by a couple of absolute cunts who are filming it), but another to act upon what he is saying and let it affect his reffing.
Either way he will have to face the music, but unless there is evidence to suggest he let it affect his performance then I don't think he should lose his job.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 12, 2024 15:23:56 GMT
Disagree. Let's not forget Luiz Suarez had bitten a player in the past and been racist to another player in another incident! He wasnt sacked or not allowed to play again despite these being far more serious actions. Punished and allowed to continue. Jamie Carragher spitting at a kid though his car window. Done wrong, got punished and came back to work as a pundit! Paulo Di Canio assaulting the ref on the pitch?! Served his punishment and back to work! Cootes done wrong but does he really deserve the sack?! As Simon Jordon eloquently put it on TS this morning, those demanding he be sacked need to question their own agendas! I'm not suggesting he should be sacked from refereeing altogether, but I think you cannot compare referees and players in this context. It's a very different kettle of fish. Players don't hold the same level of responsibility in the game. There has to be trust in those officiating, if this is not there then its not practical for someone to be assuming any post with this kind of authority. It's going to be very difficult, if not impossible for him to resume his career at the level he is currently working. He could possibly still work in the Championship and lower for example(?), that is, if this video is proved to be authentic. The clubs he is officiating though need to be satisfied that he is not bringing any bias into his job. There is no way he can resume a career in the Prem. I had mentioned in an earlier post that if he wants to continue reffing following this he should be demoted to the EFL.. & I'd also mentioned that I watched him ref the Liverpool v Villa match on Saturday evening & if anything Liverpool got the rub of the green from the officials that day so any suggestions of bias can't really be pointed at him on very recent evidence. |
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Post by northernstokie on Nov 12, 2024 15:32:39 GMT
I'd say a period of suspension/reflection & allow him to ref in the EFL if he wants to carry on to remove any subconscious bias of reffing a Prem match that could influence Liverpool. Albeit that said I watched him referee the Liverpool v Villa match on Saturday evening and if anything, Villa were the team who came away feeling hard to done to from the officials decision making! Was 4yrs ago now and he was purely expressing an opinion that's someone's decided to sit on and release at a moment of their choice, no doubt for financial gain or a vengeance type statement. Yes he was wrong to express the opinion on camera and to record it using the type of language he has. There's been far worse happen in football including footballers, ex footballers, managers etc and the vast majority have found their way back into the game having committed far worse than this. He's done wrong, been outed and has damaged his reputation but let's not kid ourselves that he's some henious criminal who deserves a prison sentence! Yes no reason why he couldn’t come back quietly into the lower divisions at some point if he wanted to. Oh and no Liverpool cup games 🙂 Can you imagine the abuse he would get 😂 |
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Post by northernstokie on Nov 12, 2024 15:34:23 GMT
Fucking hell, the bloke is toast! Someone has made some money at his expense, wankers. I mean he hasn't done anything corrupt as far as I can see regarding the officiating of the game, he says Liverpool were shit, and Klopp is a cunt. He does have a point. His mate aswell unless he's been hacked |
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Post by callas12 on Nov 12, 2024 15:42:20 GMT
Yes no reason why he couldn’t come back quietly into the lower divisions at some point if he wanted to. Oh and no Liverpool cup games 🙂 Can you imagine the abuse he would get 😂 Probably wont go unnoticed but Bobby Madley managed to make a comeback and his alledged misdemeanor(s) were slightly more questionable shall we say than what Cootes was! 😉🤣 |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 12, 2024 16:30:27 GMT
I think he seems like a bit of a fool.
I think he was also incredibly immature and naive.
But given the way managers and players speak to referees on a weekly basis at every level of football then it should be a temporary ban, maybe a demotion but absolutely not a sacking.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 12, 2024 16:47:00 GMT
Big shock, ref privately calls out manager for yelling in his face, calls him a cunt. Hold the front page!
Its not like he said "Next time I ref a Liverpool game I'm going to screw them over'.
Real cunt here is the person who leaked it.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 12, 2024 16:50:38 GMT
I'm not suggesting he should be sacked from refereeing altogether, but I think you cannot compare referees and players in this context. It's a very different kettle of fish. Players don't hold the same level of responsibility in the game. There has to be trust in those officiating, if this is not there then its not practical for someone to be assuming any post with this kind of authority. It's going to be very difficult, if not impossible for him to resume his career at the level he is currently working. He could possibly still work in the Championship and lower for example(?), that is, if this video is proved to be authentic. The clubs he is officiating though need to be satisfied that he is not bringing any bias into his job. There is no way he can resume a career in the Prem. I had mentioned in an earlier post that if he wants to continue reffing following this he should be demoted to the EFL.. & I'd also mentioned that I watched him ref the Liverpool v Villa match on Saturday evening & if anything Liverpool got the rub of the green from the officials that day so any suggestions of bias can't really be pointed at him on very recent evidence. He's obviously biased by his own bias in not being seen to be biased going the other way! 🤪 |
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Post by callas12 on Nov 12, 2024 16:54:31 GMT
I had mentioned in an earlier post that if he wants to continue reffing following this he should be demoted to the EFL.. & I'd also mentioned that I watched him ref the Liverpool v Villa match on Saturday evening & if anything Liverpool got the rub of the green from the officials that day so any suggestions of bias can't really be pointed at him on very recent evidence. He's obviously biased by his own bias in not being seen to be biased going the other way! 🤪 I'd imagine they'd have that dilemma every game 😉😆🙄 . Unconscious bias I think it's known as |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 12, 2024 16:59:51 GMT
He's obviously biased by his own bias in not being seen to be biased going the other way! 🤪 I'd imagine they'd have that dilemma every game 😉😆🙄 . Unconscious bias I think it's known as I'm convinced they come to Stoke and try to demonstrate how strong they are to our detriment. Not that we're particularly hostile now. Until robots referee we're stuck with it. Of course robots can also be programmed with bias. 😁 |
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Nov 12, 2024 17:10:32 GMT
Is there any evidence of any dodgy decisions he has given against Liverpool when Klopp was manager? It is one thing being caught on camera saying it, and he has been naïve to do so (as well as seemingly being taken advantage of by a couple of absolute cunts who are filming it), but another to act upon what he is saying and let it affect his reffing. Either way he will have to face the music, but unless there is evidence to suggest he let it affect his performance then I don't think he should lose his job. I’m not really sure that’s the point. It’s not Liverpool games, it’s every game he’s reffed since that recording was made. What everyone seems to be skipping over here is that footage is a couple years old, did he know it was out there? Clearly he’s denying he knew it existed but that can’t be proven or disproven easily. The main issue is he’s put himself in a position where he can be blackmailed by someone who is enough of a shithouse to release the video. Doesn’t take a great leap of imagination to go from there to “Penalty in this game or that game, red card in this game or that game, more than 5 bookings in this game….or I release the tape” You can’t make yourself vulnerable to bribery in that way as a ref and keep your job. Why are you trying to coax a video like that out of a premier league ref anyway? Bit of a laugh or ulterior motives? |
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