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Post by pretzel on Nov 10, 2024 23:54:10 GMT
For balance, how about those times (that we sometimes forget) when those same shit refs have helped us out?
Would we have got to an FA Cup semi, then a final, then a European oddessy if that ref had spotted and done something about Huth and ShawX parting West Ham's defensive wall like the red sea in the quarters?
How about when Huth flattened Upson in the box that time and they didn't get a penno.
Must be loads of times we've benefitted from shit refs but just laugh about it.
Any more that spring to mind?
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Post by apb1 on Nov 11, 2024 0:43:08 GMT
For balance, how about those times (that we sometimes forget) when those same shit refs have helped us out? Would we have got to an FA Cup semi, then a final, then a European oddessy if that ref had spotted and done something about Huth and ShawX parting West Ham's defensive wall like the red sea in the quarters? How about when Huth flattened Upson in the box that time and they didn't get a penno. Must be loads of times we've benefitted from shit refs but just laugh about it. Any more that spring to mind? He also ignored a blatant handball in their goal. So no  |
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Nov 11, 2024 0:58:26 GMT
I think it’s natural bias to remember the ones against more than the ones in favour. Also the result of the match matters; we’d be far more incensed if we’d not managed to equalise.
I’m still against VAR despite decisions like yesterday.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 11, 2024 3:44:22 GMT
League Cup semi final goal at Anfield when Arnie was a mile offside. Won 1-0 on the night and 1-1 agg.
We battered them tbf and took it to pens. Not to be.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 11, 2024 6:33:10 GMT
League Cup semi final goal at Anfield when Arnie was a mile offside. Won 1-0 on the night and 1-1 agg. We battered them tbf and took it to pens. Not to be. In fairness, their guy was a mile offside for their goal in the first leg. |
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 11, 2024 9:38:30 GMT
1998 Stoke v Wigan referee Bill Jordan. A stoke player put in a poor cross and Dean Crowe about 16 yards out adjusts and tries to dive to head it, the referee points to the penalty spot. Kav misses the pen but score the rebound to put us 1-0 up we win 2-1 but Paul Jewell is furious so worth it for that alone.
On that day i was guest of the one of the linesman sat with ref assessor team the penalty was at the Boothen End. After the game I met up with the ref team and Jordan said I thought he was tugged and the defender was a good yard away but he then said I knew straight away it was wrong as no players appealed and the 4000 Stoke fans behind the goal had a delayed reaction as non appealed until they realised that I had awarded a penalty.
More recent times Shawcross's challenged on Callum Wilson v Bournemouth in the penalty area the only time a Bournemouth's diving actions went against them.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 11, 2024 9:42:56 GMT
Lee Probert in the last minute at Tottenham when Diao fouled one of their players😳Great day and fantastic 1-0,Simmo would have probably saved it anyway with his performance that afternoon
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Post by rowleyscfc on Nov 11, 2024 9:45:57 GMT
I mean I'm all for taking the rough with the smooth, but Saturday was beyond belief, how has he not seen it? not like it was off the ball, he was about to tap the ball in.
Of course we have had some go our way over the years but lets not forget that last season we had 9 PGMOL apologise for penalties that were not given to us, but we defo haven't had 9 stonewall pens against us not given, so does it even out really?
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 11, 2024 9:47:30 GMT
Uriah Rennie not sending Gerry 'the strangler' Taggart off.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 11, 2024 9:57:14 GMT
Uriah Rennie not sending Gerry 'the strangler' Taggart off. He was just checking his pulse, nothing sinister in it… |
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Post by pretzel on Nov 11, 2024 11:45:52 GMT
We might have only won it one time if not for Kevin Lynch allowing Bjarni to cross a moving ball for Thorne to score at Wembley in 2000
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 11, 2024 11:59:43 GMT
We might have only won it one time if not for Kevin Lynch allowing Bjarni to cross a moving ball for Thorne to score at Wembley in 2000 It absolutely wasn’t moving, he rolled it forwards but it had come to a stop. |
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Post by pretzel on Nov 11, 2024 12:24:57 GMT
We might have only won it one time if not for Kevin Lynch allowing Bjarni to cross a moving ball for Thorne to score at Wembley in 2000 It absolutely wasn’t moving, he rolled it forwards but it had come to a stop. Haha if that'd been up the other end we'd all have been having a thrombo. As you say, it wasn't taken from the right place. It was rolling forward and maybe for a split second had virtually stopped.. not enough to be classed as stationary, certainly by modern standards. Heck, I'm not even sure it was a foul on Bjarni.. he went down like a cheap whore as usual. Your glasses would have to be very red and white to think we didn't get more than the rub of the green there  |
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 11, 2024 12:25:04 GMT
I mean I'm all for taking the rough with the smooth, but Saturday was beyond belief, how has he not seen it? not like it was off the ball, he was about to tap the ball in. Of course we have had some go our way over the years but lets not forget that last season we had 9 PGMOL apologise for penalties that were not given to us, but we defo haven't had 9 stonewall pens against us not given, so does it even out really?I think there's some good evidence that decisions tend to be skewed when it comes to 'big teams' vs 'the rest', and our experience in the PL was at times horrific. At this level, I'd be surprised if there was much difference between the dodgy decisions that have gone in our favour and those that have hurt us. In answer to the OP, one of my personal favourites was the spectacular one-handed save by Marlon 'Banksy' Broomes against Crewe in the early noughties.  |
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Post by march4 on Nov 11, 2024 12:27:01 GMT
Wolves away. Looked like a penalty to them before Ric sprinted the length of the pitch and made it 4-2.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Nov 11, 2024 13:38:19 GMT
I mean I'm all for taking the rough with the smooth, but Saturday was beyond belief, how has he not seen it? not like it was off the ball, he was about to tap the ball in. Of course we have had some go our way over the years but lets not forget that last season we had 9 PGMOL apologise for penalties that were not given to us, but we defo haven't had 9 stonewall pens against us not given, so does it even out really?I think there's some good evidence that decisions tend to be skewed when it comes to 'big teams' vs 'the rest', and our experience in the PL was at times horrific. At this level, I'd be surprised if there was much difference between the dodgy decisions that have gone in our favour and those that have hurt us. In answer to the OP, one of my personal favourites was the spectacular one-handed save by Marlon 'Banksy' Broomes against Crewe in the early noughties. Remember a ridiculous amount against United, Gary Neville could of had 7 yellows in the first half when Etherington tore him apart. Ronaldo kicking out at Wilko and only Wilko getting the red card, list could go on |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 11, 2024 13:40:09 GMT
Crouch was fouling the fuck out of the Man City player when he won the first header before his wonder goal
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 11, 2024 13:44:12 GMT
It absolutely wasn’t moving, he rolled it forwards but it had come to a stop. Haha if that'd been up the other end we'd all have been having a thrombo. As you say, it wasn't taken from the right place. It was rolling forward and maybe for a split second had virtually stopped.. not enough to be classed as stationary, certainly by modern standards. Heck, I'm not even sure it was a foul on Bjarni.. he went down like a cheap whore as usual. Your glasses would have to be very red and white to think we didn't get more than the rub of the green there A fussier ref might have called it back, but the ball had stopped so there was nothing wrong with that. I guess you could quibble the positioning of the ball but hardly a great injustice |
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Post by AlliG on Nov 11, 2024 14:06:14 GMT
Crouch was fouling the fuck out of the Man City player when he won the first header before his wonder goal Good job Crouchy didn't play in the age of VAR. The way he used to pull his arms in when he was trying to control the ball on his chest I think there were a few goals where VAR would have decided the ball came into contact with an arm before he scored. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 11, 2024 14:17:09 GMT
Crouch was fouling the fuck out of the Man City player when he won the first header before his wonder goal Good job Crouchy didn't play in the age of VAR. The way he used to pull his arms in when he was trying to control the ball on his chest I think there were a few goals where VAR would have decided the ball came into contact with an arm before he scored. He basically pawed one off the line for Spurs against us didn’t he. Still wasn’t as bad as the decision on Saturday though, I honestly think that might be most blatant penalty I’ve ever seen not given. |
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 11, 2024 15:06:54 GMT
Good job Crouchy didn't play in the age of VAR. The way he used to pull his arms in when he was trying to control the ball on his chest I think there were a few goals where VAR would have decided the ball came into contact with an arm before he scored. He basically pawed one off the line for Spurs against us didn’t he. Still wasn’t as bad as the decision on Saturday though, I honestly think that might be most blatant penalty I’ve ever seen not given. He did, right at the death IIRC. Not quite as bad as the one at Sunderland though (Cattermole?), a game that included a ludicrous sending-off for Shawcross. That's up there with the worst refereeing performances I've had the misfortune to witness, and there's been some stiff competition. |
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Post by tpholloway1 on Nov 11, 2024 15:33:49 GMT
He basically pawed one off the line for Spurs against us didn’t he. Still wasn’t as bad as the decision on Saturday though, I honestly think that might be most blatant penalty I’ve ever seen not given. He did, right at the death IIRC. Not quite as bad as the one at Sunderland though (Cattermole?), a game that included a ludicrous sending-off for Shawcross. That's up there with the worst refereeing performances I've had the misfortune to witness, and there's been some stiff competition. For "worst refereeing performances" I give you Atkinson at Newcastle. I know we often get a bad decision against us but this was one after another (I don't know where to start). It was the performance that convinced me that some referees aren't just inept but corrupt. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 11, 2024 15:39:17 GMT
He did, right at the death IIRC. Not quite as bad as the one at Sunderland though (Cattermole?), a game that included a ludicrous sending-off for Shawcross. That's up there with the worst refereeing performances I've had the misfortune to witness, and there's been some stiff competition. For "worst refereeing performances" I give you Atkinson at Newcastle. I know we often get a bad decision against us but this was one after another (I don't know where to start). It was the performance that convinced me that some referees aren't just inept but corrupt. I remember one vs. Coventry when Pulis and Gary Macallister, despite Cov winning, both came out and said the referee was absolutely shite. |
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 11, 2024 15:40:23 GMT
He did, right at the death IIRC. Not quite as bad as the one at Sunderland though (Cattermole?), a game that included a ludicrous sending-off for Shawcross. That's up there with the worst refereeing performances I've had the misfortune to witness, and there's been some stiff competition. For "worst refereeing performances" I give you Atkinson at Newcastle. I know we often get a bad decision against us but this was one after another (I don't know where to start). It was the performance that convinced me that some referees aren't just inept but corrupt. Thanks for reminding me about that one! Wasn't it also Atkinson at Sunderland? Edit: Just checked. Yes it was. Loved us, didn't he? |
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Post by tpholloway1 on Nov 11, 2024 16:09:26 GMT
For "worst refereeing performances" I give you Atkinson at Newcastle. I know we often get a bad decision against us but this was one after another (I don't know where to start). It was the performance that convinced me that some referees aren't just inept but corrupt. Thanks for reminding me about that one! Wasn't it also Atkinson at Sunderland? Edit: Just checked. Yes it was. Loved us, didn't he? Yes, Atkinson hated us and don't get me started on Rob fuckin Styles. |
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 11, 2024 17:06:40 GMT
Thanks for reminding me about that one! Wasn't it also Atkinson at Sunderland? Edit: Just checked. Yes it was. Loved us, didn't he? Yes, Atkinson hated us and don't get me started on Rob fuckin Styles. So many fond memories of yesteryear... Who can forget these classics? Stoke City vs Man City & Alan Wiley Stoke City vs Sheff Utd & Barry Knight Stoke City vs Coventry City & Andy Hall Seem to remember Michael Oliver had a bit of a crush on us as well. Preston away in the promotion season, and a couple of others since, I'm sure. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 11, 2024 17:09:37 GMT
For balance, how about those times (that we sometimes forget) when those same shit refs have helped us out? Would we have got to an FA Cup semi, then a final, then a European oddessy if that ref had spotted and done something about Huth and ShawX parting West Ham's defensive wall like the red sea in the quarters? How about when Huth flattened Upson in the box that time and they didn't get a penno. Must be loads of times we've benefitted from shit refs but just laugh about it. Any more that spring to mind? You would do well to find decisions that went our way like Gary Neville being allowed to be substituted at half time instead of being sent off, then there's the stoke grabbing 3 or penalties against us when refs used videos of us doing it for "training purposes" (allegedly), then there's Watford being allowed to push our keeper over the line for and that's a goal? You would have to go back to Uraiah Rennie(not sure on spelling) and Taggart strangling Dennis wise to find anything anywhere near those? Decisions definitely go against us in the long run. The bigger decisions. |
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Post by thicknthin on Nov 11, 2024 17:14:28 GMT
I think there's some good evidence that decisions tend to be skewed when it comes to 'big teams' vs 'the rest', and our experience in the PL was at times horrific. At this level, I'd be surprised if there was much difference between the dodgy decisions that have gone in our favour and those that have hurt us. In answer to the OP, one of my personal favourites was the spectacular one-handed save by Marlon 'Banksy' Broomes against Crewe in the early noughties. Remember a ridiculous amount against United, Gary Neville could of had 7 yellows in the first half when Etherington tore him apart. Ronaldo kicking out at Wilko and only Wilko getting the red card, list could go on Not forgetting the Ronnie Elbow on Abdule Faye which was right in front of the Liner |
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Post by thicknthin on Nov 11, 2024 17:19:44 GMT
Glen Wheelan’s close-lining of Ashley Young was a classic.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 11, 2024 17:49:37 GMT
Wolves away. Looked like a penalty to them before Ric sprinted the length of the pitch and made it 4-2. The only time Andre Marriner gave us anything |
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