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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 10, 2024 11:50:09 GMT
The point they'd make is that he got booked because of his behaviour. His behaviour is not excused by the decision made (not my view, but will be theirs). Otherwise you'd have a situation where dissent was okay if it is linked to a demonstrably bad decision. We all know there are shit decisions made in most games, so in those instances players would be allowed to kick off at will. (For the avoidance of doubt I'm surprised Burger wasn't more engaged by that shocking decision) I think he took him off, before he got sent off for tearing the ref? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have lasted the game. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 10, 2024 12:08:13 GMT
These things happen in football, but what is the point of the referee apologising?
I don't get it at all. It just adds to the misery imo.
I'm also curious to know that at what point does the ref apologise and on what basis? Presumably he must have seen footage immediately after the game to know that it was a mistake and then apologised? That's a bit strange in itself. Or does someone tell him?
Or did he just realise he made a mistake 30 seconds later?
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Post by stokief on Nov 10, 2024 12:21:58 GMT
Well, maybe a bit, nay quite a lot of sh!t decisions against will play it's part in creating the Us against the World mentality that we shared on other occasions as supporters, players and management. All helps to create the fortress mentality and a desire to prove all of 'em out to get us that their plan won't work!  GOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN STOKE! |
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Post by Macko on Nov 10, 2024 12:28:52 GMT
These things happen in football, but what is the point of the referee apologising? I don't get it at all. It just adds to the misery imo. I'm also curious to know that at what point does the ref apologise and on what basis? Presumably he must have seen footage immediately after the game to know that it was a mistake and then apologised? That's a bit strange in itself. Or does someone tell him? Or did he just realise he made a mistake 30 seconds later? He probably realised at the end of the match when the referee assessor came into his room and said "What the fuck were you thinking?" Honestly cannot remember a worse referee mistake in the last 10 years or more ... |
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Post by riverman on Nov 10, 2024 12:34:47 GMT
Oh well that's ok then, we'll just forget about it eh? Wanker! I hope it’s not robwahlmann, our dedicated fan who actively supports us all the way from Norway that you are calling a wanker! BM No. I was referring to the ref's pathetic apology. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2024 12:39:07 GMT
These things happen in football, but what is the point of the referee apologising? I don't get it at all. It just adds to the misery imo. I'm also curious to know that at what point does the ref apologise and on what basis? Presumably he must have seen footage immediately after the game to know that it was a mistake and then apologised? That's a bit strange in itself. Or does someone tell him? Or did he just realise he made a mistake 30 seconds later? He probably realised at the end of the match when the referee assessor came into his room and said "What the fuck were you thinking?" Honestly cannot remember a worse referee mistake in the last 10 years or more ... That was simply the pinnacle of what was a very shit performance by this referee. It started in the first 20 seconds when Cannon laid the ball off and turned to run into space and Cooper simply stepped in front of him and body checked him to the ground. Fair play to Cannon as he got up and made it into the box to miss that sitter. Cooper should have been booked then either at the time or gone back later. If you look at the video it was right in front of the useless tosser. But as we saw later he bottled it completely. It started badly and went downhill from there. Actually thinking about it, it started even befoe kick off when the daft twat forgot to blow his whistle to start the minutes silence despite the announcer saying it about 5 times beforehand. Fortunately it didn't make any difference. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2024 12:42:05 GMT
He probably realised at the end of the match when the referee assessor came into his room and said "What the fuck were you thinking?" Honestly cannot remember a worse referee mistake in the last 10 years or more ... That was simply the pinnacle of what was a very shit performance by this referee. It started in the first 20 seconds when Cannon laid the ball off and turned to run into space and Cooper simply stepped in front of him and body checked him to the ground. Fair play to Cannon as he got up and made it into the box to miss that sitter. Cooper should have been booked then either at the time or gone back later. If you look at the video it was right in front of the useless tosser. But as we saw later he bottled it completely. It started badly and went downhill from there. Started before the game when he forgot to blow his whistle to signal start of the minutes silence |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2024 12:43:53 GMT
That was simply the pinnacle of what was a very shit performance by this referee. It started in the first 20 seconds when Cannon laid the ball off and turned to run into space and Cooper simply stepped in front of him and body checked him to the ground. Fair play to Cannon as he got up and made it into the box to miss that sitter. Cooper should have been booked then either at the time or gone back later. If you look at the video it was right in front of the useless tosser. But as we saw later he bottled it completely. It started badly and went downhill from there. Started before the game when he forgot to blow his whistle to signal start of the minutes silence Just amendedd my post as I remembered that. |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Nov 10, 2024 12:51:16 GMT
It was a shocking decision from both the ref and the linesman.
It's made worse by the fact that Neil Harris after the match said he though it was a pen at the time (30 yards further away than the ref) and said he still thinks it was a pen after the game.
That just shows how blatantly obvious it was.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 10, 2024 16:51:34 GMT
The ref excused himself to Pelach after the game! Yes, it was an obvious PENALTY!!!!!!  Will he rescind Burgers yellow card then?  |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Nov 10, 2024 16:56:15 GMT
I think he took him off, before he got sent off for tearing the ref? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have lasted the game. Pelach said he was carrying an injury and wasn't set to play but he insisted he wanted to so was never going to last 90 and that's why he pulled him off early |
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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2024 17:04:24 GMT
Will he rescind Burgers yellow card then? Yellows can't be rescinded No idea why not |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 10, 2024 20:57:00 GMT
That has to be up there with one of the worst refereeing oversights for years.
Literally can’t believe he hasn’t seen that.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 10, 2024 21:00:48 GMT
That has to be up there with one of the worst refereeing oversights for years. Literally can’t believe he hasn’t seen that. It was generally one of the most atrocious all round performances by a 'professional' referee I have ever seen. Capped off by that non decision. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 11, 2024 15:56:22 GMT
That has to be up there with one of the worst refereeing oversights for years. Literally can’t believe he hasn’t seen that. Not just him but the linesman as well. I can't think of a more blatant penalty that hasn't been awarded. Especially as the ball sat up right in front of our player for it to be casually knocked over the line - the pull was so obviously the last resort of a defender resigned to conceding a certain goal. |
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Post by premieraj on Nov 11, 2024 15:59:52 GMT
They showed it on ref watch this morning on sky. All agree definite penalty and red card. O’Leary blamed naïve junior ref in wrong position and said he needed coaching.
Doesn’t help though but was a sure fire win if he’d have gone probably!
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Post by skip on Nov 11, 2024 16:16:09 GMT
They showed it on ref watch this morning on sky. All agree definite penalty and red card. O’Leary blamed naïve junior ref in wrong position and said he needed coaching. Doesn’t help though but was a sure fire win if he’d have gone probably! I don't watch that programme, but did they make mention of the referee's assistant not so much as twitching his flag let alone raising it? If referees assistants now do sod all apart from adjudicate offside and ball out of play, then what the actual fish finger? How didn't he see it? |
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Post by liathroid on Nov 11, 2024 18:57:52 GMT
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Post by onepara on Nov 11, 2024 19:02:33 GMT
I don't know whether it has been said, but the ref was a stand-in, instead of the notorious Mr. Bell.
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Post by ethers26 on Nov 11, 2024 19:19:20 GMT
Watching it back though, what is Burger doing?
Busy trying to buy the pen instead of tapping it in!
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 11, 2024 19:32:35 GMT
Watching it back though, what is Burger doing? Busy trying to buy the pen instead of tapping it in! Absolutely mental take. He was literally about to tap the ball in, he had no clue the defender was going to yank him to the ground. I doubt he even knew he was there until he was lying on the floor. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 11, 2024 19:38:23 GMT
He’s a “development referee” ? So in other words, a trainee. He was given our game against Millwall as some kind of glorified work experience? Shocking. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 11, 2024 19:50:11 GMT
He’s a “development referee” ? So in other words, a trainee. He was given our game against Millwall as some kind of glorified work experience? Shocking. What makes me laugh is he was 4th official when Bell was originally announced but then they bought in Ben Toner to replace him as 4th official,the same Ben Toner who’s already reffed us twice this season so why not just let him ref🤷♂️ He’s a development referee who is under the wing of Kevin Friend who I had a chat with before the game. I was amazed at one of things he told me about refs doing their homework on the 2 teams they’re going to ref that weekend 🤔I always thought they went into games with no pre conceived notions/ideas of what to expect?That said Finnie had reffed Millwall on Oct 5th at WBA so was familiar with the Millwall team. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 11, 2024 20:21:22 GMT
Last week we had two of our players committing calamitous mistakes to gift Derby their equaliser, this week we have two of the officials committing calamitous mistakes to deny us a penalty and a man advantage for half an hour. Why do we get more angry about the second of these incidents than the first? Why do we hold match officials who are paid a fraction of what players get to a higher standard than the players? BM Because we are supporters of the first 2. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 11, 2024 21:17:57 GMT
It gets worse every time I see it, The linesman is looking straight at it! You win some & you loose some but the standard of officiating in this league is really poor. If you stop the video at the exact moment of the foul ( as blatant a foul as you will ever see) there is another Millwall player who looks as though he is obscuring the assistant referees view of the incident. Dermot Gallagher has criticised the referees positioning and said that he wasn't in the right position to see it. I haven't seen a video to check that but it could be that neither official had a clear view of it. It's difficult to think of any other reason why it wasn't given. The game loses a lot of referees at grass roots level because of the abuse they get. This must inevitably affect the pool of referees for promotion at every level above. Anyone who shouts at the ref when watching their children on a Saturday morning or Sunday, and then does the same at a professional game, should realise that the former eventually contributes to the quality of the refs at the latter. |
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Post by ethers26 on Nov 11, 2024 21:27:14 GMT
Watching it back though, what is Burger doing? Busy trying to buy the pen instead of tapping it in! Absolutely mental take. He was literally about to tap the ball in, he had no clue the defender was going to yank him to the ground. I doubt he even knew he was there until he was lying on the floor. Agree to disagree on it If he was aggressive and not as typically clumsy, that's in - despite being pulled back. His foot's basically there if he extended his leg; instead he pulls it back and flicks at it again It's still a pen btw - I'm just frustrated he didn't tap it in |
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Post by stokecitydom on Nov 11, 2024 21:45:49 GMT
Dermot Gallagher says “in the defence of the referee,” to which I expect him to give something that could maybe excuse why the ref missed it. He then goes on to explain how he’s completely in the wrong position, so he was just incompetent.
It’s staggering that it was missed, every Stoke player (from all angles inside and around the box) immediately appeal. I could see it from block 16, it was blatantly obvious what had happened.
It wasn’t just that incident though, in the aftermath when Bocat went down & people were claiming for a red card, he’d lost it and was like a rabbit in the headlights.
It’s very concerning that the referee is even given this relatively high profile match if he’s still a major work in progress.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 11, 2024 21:47:49 GMT
Absolutely mental take. He was literally about to tap the ball in, he had no clue the defender was going to yank him to the ground. I doubt he even knew he was there until he was lying on the floor. Agree to disagree on it If he was aggressive and not as typically clumsy, that's in - despite being pulled back. His foot's basically there if he extended his leg; instead he pulls it back and flicks at it again It's still a pen btw - I'm just frustrated he didn't tap it in I do agree. Whilst it was a clear penalty I can't imagine that if Burger had shown the type of aggression Pèlach is calling for he wouldn't have been fighting to shrug off the defender and get his foot to the ball rather than falling over because he was pulled. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 11, 2024 21:50:00 GMT
Agree to disagree on it If he was aggressive and not as typically clumsy, that's in - despite being pulled back. His foot's basically there if he extended his leg; instead he pulls it back and flicks at it again It's still a pen btw - I'm just frustrated he didn't tap it in I do agree. Whilst it was a clear penalty I can't imagine that if Burger had shown the type of aggression Pèlach is calling for he wouldn't have been fighting to shrug off the defender and get his foot to the ball rather than falling over because he was pulled. Genuinely astonished,almost as much as Burger was |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 11, 2024 22:04:58 GMT
Agree to disagree on it If he was aggressive and not as typically clumsy, that's in - despite being pulled back. His foot's basically there if he extended his leg; instead he pulls it back and flicks at it again It's still a pen btw - I'm just frustrated he didn't tap it in I do agree. Whilst it was a clear penalty I can't imagine that if Burger had shown the type of aggression Pèlach is calling for he wouldn't have been fighting to shrug off the defender and get his foot to the ball rather than falling over because he was pulled. Can't believe we're watching the same incident if you think he could have "shrugged him off". You can't shrug someone off who is forcefully and completely unexpectedly yanking you to the ground by your arm/midriff just when you've set yourself to take a shot. |
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