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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 8, 2024 15:08:20 GMT
will be helped no end when we have Bosun in there. A midfield 3 of Bosun Burger and Seko/Moran will hopefully be quite productive for us. Bosun Burger and Moran sounds quite a nice balance. Bosun Burger and Seko is just what we’ve seen almost all season in one guise or another ie putting a player in an unnatural role. Hmmm Bosun Burger….. Tasty |
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Post by stokesupporter on Nov 8, 2024 15:16:08 GMT
Burger has gradually got better lately, so I'm not worried.
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2024 15:43:51 GMT
wouldn't play him tomorrow given the ref Every ref in the universe hates scfc and they're always looking for an excuse to send off a Stokie or two. So you can't make a selection based on who's more likely to be sent off. What you can do is make a special effort in training to make players like Burger not fall into the traps that will be set up. Pick Thompson instead of Burger, and he will promptly be dismissed. What are you on about? The ref tomorrow has fished out more red cards than any other this season as such wouldn't play Burger as he gets himself booked very easily without any dark arts from the opposition The good news is the spin is increased chance of a Millwall red card Would play as many tricky players,Koumas,Million, Junho as possible Edit; wouldn't play Thompson either Would play Sidebe,Seko and Moran |
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Post by senojbor on Nov 8, 2024 15:51:08 GMT
Like Cannon wiht Gallagher the test will be hoiw he does alongside Lawal he’s Doing a decent enough job right now against the tide Why have you seen him play? Celtic didn't want him. To be fair at 21 he's worth a punt, broken back or no broken back But don't assume he's Championship standard just yet |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 8, 2024 16:25:18 GMT
That doesn’t explain his frequent loss of possession either by being caught or giving the ball away. I actually thought at times in the first half Blackburn deliberately targeted him and focused any press on him. I'll give you one such example from the Blackburn game then. On about 35 minutes, Burger took the ball in from Enda Stevens, midway between penalty box and half way line. He took the ball lovely on the back foot, enabling him to move forward 5 to 10 yards having lost his marker. He looked for a pass wide to Koumas, looked for one into Moran and looked for one into Junho between the lines. All 3 would have been forward passes that would have opened up the pitch. Koumas stood still, Junho hid directly behind the line of the midfielder and Moran was no option either standing in that nothing position where he was neither a midfielder or a no 8 or 10. Burger subsequently came under pressure, almost lost the ball (he probably did temporarily) before rolling the ball back into Gibson to much derision and some booing from watching the supporters. Just WTF was he supposed to do? I lost my shit at that point and asked the idiot behind who he was supposed to pass the ball to, the Invisible Man? Of all our players that can resist some of the opposition pressure Burger is the man. The best passing teams aren't the best passing teams because they have the best passers of the ball. They are the best passing teams because they move better off the ball than the rest. Our movement ahead of the player in possession is absolutely abysmal and when you are surrounded by a sulking Koumas, a useless Moran and Junho who clearly doesn't understand or like the no10 role yet, the chances of Burger looking anything other than stretched are slim to none. Burger is the least of our midfield worries at present. None of those in that area with him (Moran, Koumas, Junho & Milly) are playing particularly well and none of them are offering anything defensively whatsoever which means Burger has to do the job of 3 or 4 players at times. Despite this, Burger takes all the flak. I just don't get it. It's ludicrous and it drives me mad. I know how you felt now when you felt Walters was so harshly criticised  I’m a big fan of his. I think he’s the potential to be our most important player. And at times last season he was. And yes there are still flashes of that class as you pointed out. I still think he wants to do well and seems to be popular in the group but I do think he’s not performing anywhere near the level he can consistently. I definitely don’t agree with anyone giving him shit from the stands though. PS when he’s achieved half of what SJW has he’ll be immune to any criticism 😀 |
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Post by bertiestan on Nov 8, 2024 16:26:27 GMT
Not keen on him at all🔴⚪️
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Post by jokker on Nov 8, 2024 16:37:39 GMT
Which one of those players would you expect to sit in the "Burger position" and do the amount of work he does, often without being credited. I like Sol, but Millwall will have eaten him before dinner is served... I don't know your exact line up and I hope I never will, because playing so many featherweights will backfire. |
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Post by paulkoz on Nov 8, 2024 16:48:18 GMT
He had no support and then was much improved when Seko came on.
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2024 17:10:44 GMT
Which one of those players would you expect to sit in the "Burger position" and do the amount of work he does, often without being credited. I like Sol, but Millwall will have eaten him before dinner is served... I don't know your exact line up and I hope I never will, because playing so many featherweights will backfire. sol isn't a featherweight he's best as box to box or even right behind the strikers but he's also a very good defence midfielder, very calm, positionally disciplined, he's far less likely to get carded than either Burger or Thompson & will give you the same defensive reliability it's only 1 game am suggesting those 3 as the midfield simply be cause the ref tomorrow is so extreme at giving out red cards Millwall are not going to play through is anyway like Bristol City & others did |
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Post by maine on Nov 8, 2024 17:44:11 GMT
davejohnno said
'On about 35 minutes, Burger took the ball in from Enda Stevens, midway between penalty box and half way line. He took the ball lovely on the back foot, enabling him to move forward 5 to 10 yards having lost his marker. He looked for a pass wide to Koumas, looked for one into Moran and looked for one into Junho between the lines. All 3 would have been forward passes that would have opened up the pitch.
Koumas stood still, Junho hid directly behind the line of the midfielder and Moran was no option either standing in that nothing position where he was neither a midfielder or a no 8 or 10. Burger subsequently came under pressure, almost lost the ball (he probably did temporarily) before rolling the ball back into Gibson to much derision and some booing from watching the supporters.
Just WTF was he supposed to do? I lost my shit at that point and asked the idiot behind who he was supposed to pass the ball to, the Invisible Man?
Of all our players that can resist some of the opposition pressure Burger is the man. The best passing teams aren't the best passing teams because they have the best passers of the ball. They are the best passing teams because they move better off the ball than the rest. Our movement ahead of the player in possession is absolutely abysmal and when you are surrounded by a sulking Koumas, a useless Moran and Junho who clearly doesn't understand or like the no10 role yet, the chances of Burger looking anything other than stretched are slim to none.
Burger is the least of our midfield worries at present. None of those in that area with him (Moran, Koumas, Junho & Milly) are playing particularly well and none of them are offering anything defensively whatsoever which means Burger has to do the job of 3 or 4 players at times. Despite this, Burger takes all the flak. I just don't get it.
It's ludicrous and it drives me mad.'
Exactly how I saw it. The comment about movement is especially relevant. Burger is one of the few who actually seek space to receive a pass, the other midfielders are more hit or miss, though Junho and Seko seem more aware than Moran and Thompson. I'd also emphasize Burgers' role in encouraging others. He was constantly being positive with Junior and ran 20 yards to applaud Victor last night.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 8, 2024 17:52:42 GMT
davejohnno said 'On about 35 minutes, Burger took the ball in from Enda Stevens, midway between penalty box and half way line. He took the ball lovely on the back foot, enabling him to move forward 5 to 10 yards having lost his marker. He looked for a pass wide to Koumas, looked for one into Moran and looked for one into Junho between the lines. All 3 would have been forward passes that would have opened up the pitch. Koumas stood still, Junho hid directly behind the line of the midfielder and Moran was no option either standing in that nothing position where he was neither a midfielder or a no 8 or 10. Burger subsequently came under pressure, almost lost the ball (he probably did temporarily) before rolling the ball back into Gibson to much derision and some booing from watching the supporters. Just WTF was he supposed to do? I lost my shit at that point and asked the idiot behind who he was supposed to pass the ball to, the Invisible Man? Of all our players that can resist some of the opposition pressure Burger is the man. The best passing teams aren't the best passing teams because they have the best passers of the ball. They are the best passing teams because they move better off the ball than the rest. Our movement ahead of the player in possession is absolutely abysmal and when you are surrounded by a sulking Koumas, a useless Moran and Junho who clearly doesn't understand or like the no10 role yet, the chances of Burger looking anything other than stretched are slim to none. Burger is the least of our midfield worries at present. None of those in that area with him (Moran, Koumas, Junho & Milly) are playing particularly well and none of them are offering anything defensively whatsoever which means Burger has to do the job of 3 or 4 players at times. Despite this, Burger takes all the flak. I just don't get it. It's ludicrous and it drives me mad.' Exactly how I saw it. The comment about movement is especially relevant. Burger is one of the few who actually seek space to receive a pass, the other midfielders are more hit or miss, though Junho and Seko seem more aware than Moran and Thompson. I'd also emphasize Burgers' role in encouraging others. He was constantly being positive with Junior and ran 20 yards to applaud Victor last night. I agree. But he’s still been below his potential performance levels. If he’s not at it tomorrow then I think we could be in trouble. This Millwall side are a very tough nut and in excellent form. On his day he’s more than capable of bossing the game. Hopefully we see that tomorrow. |
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Post by logdog on Nov 8, 2024 17:54:22 GMT
I really like Burger and still think he will come good. I just think he’s finding the role he’s being asked to perform difficult. Is that partly the fault of the players around him? Is it the system we are playing? Maybe. My overriding memory of Wednesday night is him playing an absolute hospital ball to Moran in the first couple of minutes. Moran got nailed. Burger looked awkward & anxious for most of the game afterwards.
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2024 17:56:23 GMT
Re the above posts about other players movement, Burger best game was v Derby with Seko playing and after a lame first half he had a good second half at Blackburn, again with Seko on
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 8, 2024 18:06:43 GMT
Re the above posts about other players movement, Burger best game was v Derby with Seko playing and after a lame first half he had a good second half at Blackburn, again with Seko on Agreed. Seko definitely seems to provide that security and movement. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2024 21:40:14 GMT
James Bell has now been replaced as ref as such happy for Burger to play
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 9, 2024 0:04:16 GMT
Yeah otherwise wouldn't want to have risked for whom the Bell-End would've tolled for.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 9, 2024 0:17:14 GMT
I missed the last two games but in the matches before a 2 man midfield of Burger-Moran seemed the obvious weak link and why we had lots of catastrophically bad periods of play.
It's just unbalanced and it makes Burger look worse.
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Post by wilcopotter on Nov 9, 2024 7:07:32 GMT
Like Cannon wiht Gallagher the test will be hoiw he does alongside Lawal he’s Doing a decent enough job right now against the tide Why have you seen him play? Celtic didn't want him. To be fair at 21 he's worth a punt, broken back or no broken back But don't assume he's Championship standard just yet I agree, there seems to be a lot of people hanging there hat on this unknown young player, I don’t get it. Has anyone actually seen him play? |
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Post by boweryboy on Nov 9, 2024 7:34:57 GMT
Burger has become the new Clucas, more often than not,he plays the ball sideways or back,comes to you for a short ball,then gives it you back and then points to where it should go next, doesn't pick up players, can't tackle without giving away a free kick, yellow card at some point, apart from that,he's perfect for the role he's playing,a far cry from the player that first came here it has to be said.
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Post by baconburger on Nov 9, 2024 8:29:13 GMT
I missed the last two games but in the matches before a 2 man midfield of Burger-Moran seemed the obvious weak link and why we had lots of catastrophically bad periods of play. It's just unbalanced and it makes Burger look worse. He’s not been great so far this season but he plays ok when he’s part of a well balanced midfield. Seems to be suffering from both HC’s weird ideas tbh. Moran is no more a deep lying midfielder than Burger is an advanced midfielder. As soon as we get players playing where they’ve played the most as their careers have developed we look better. Who’d have thought it?? |
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Post by jokker on Nov 9, 2024 10:24:49 GMT
Burger has become the new Clucas, more often than not,he plays the ball sideways or back,comes to you for a short ball,then gives it you back and then points to where it should go next, doesn't pick up players, can't tackle without giving away a free kick, yellow card at some point, apart from that,he's perfect for the role he's playing,a far cry from the player that first came here it has to be said. You may not have noticed, but we have a new head coach this season, who's quite different from the previous. This means that to a large part, Burger's role has changed, so don't go looking for him to do what he did last year. And, "play the ball sideways or back,come to the other for a short ball, then give it back and then point to where it should go next" is probably the exact words Pelach whispers in Burger's ears when he sends him off to bed, not to mention the pitch. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 9, 2024 10:59:17 GMT
He came into his own last season when Schuhmacher arrived, although he was doing well before that. So the sacking of SS has shocked him, and now he's being asked to do different things as to what he was last season, where he really became the fulcrum of the team. So in a way he has been demoted, and it's taking him more time than others to get used to or adapting to a new regime. But he's an intelligent player and should find his way back eventually. He got worse last season under Schumacher. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 9, 2024 11:13:00 GMT
It'll be a fun problem to have when Lawal is fit Reckon there will be times for a defensive midfield of Lawal - Burger Seko There will be times for more attacking lineup Lawal Seko - Moran Loads of options, Burger for 20 mins at the end of a game is huge compared to what we have now, same with Seko/Moran Similar with Koumas/Cannon/Bae/Milli too up front, options. Something we havent had for a while! He does seem unfit which is a worry, is often blowing out of his backside by 60 mins (he was the same last season), but strangely on Weds he was really off it 1st half but improved 2nd - maybe he just isnt cut for the box to box role and needs to just sit and be the deep option I said at the game on Weds we had far too many attacking players on 1st half not tracking back or helping out, leaving Burger and the back 4 exposed Seko made a huge difference to Burgers game. Wouldn't be much of a problem really, if Lawal is up to it drop Burger, he's not been good enough. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Nov 9, 2024 14:47:35 GMT
What exactly has happened to him?
His confidence is non existent.
Very worrying.
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 9, 2024 14:48:38 GMT
What exactly has happened to him? His confidence is non existent. Very worrying. Thought he did okay today |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 9, 2024 14:48:44 GMT
Suspended for the next match.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 9, 2024 14:48:51 GMT
Played well today, some of the subs were clearly down to 3 tough games in a week…..
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 9, 2024 14:51:18 GMT
What exactly has happened to him? His confidence is non existent. Very worrying. Shouldn't start if/when lawal is available. Prob shouldnt start even now. He offers nothing. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 9, 2024 14:52:19 GMT
What exactly has happened to him? His confidence is non existent. Very worrying. Shouldn't start if/when lawal is available. Prob shouldnt start even now. He offers nothing. You've seen Lawal play a lot then I take it? He played well today, as much that will hurt stone people to admit |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2024 14:53:46 GMT
Thought he did well in the air which he should do.
Can’t argue with being subbed though.
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