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Post by Billy the kid on Nov 6, 2024 22:45:45 GMT
He didn’t even get a yellow for it which was bizarre. He also escaped a blatant yellow about 30 seconds into the game when he pulled Manhoef back. Ref was very lenient tonight. Burger could have seen yellow twice in 10 mins, and diddnt get a booking. The ref tonight was so chilled he could have been flown in from jamacia and emmitted a funkie smell. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 6, 2024 22:46:18 GMT
We had the Blackburn commentary on. They couldn't believe it when it was given. It was only when they showed the face grabbing that they said 'it was soft'.
We were pissing ourselves.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 6, 2024 22:47:56 GMT
We had the Blackburn commentary on. They couldn't believe it when it was given. It was only when they showed the face grabbing that they said 'it was soft'. We were pissing ourselves. Half thought the ref was going to give it as a free kick to be honest. |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 6, 2024 23:39:56 GMT
I think the ref would argue the other defender was coming across as cover. What a fucking stupid thing to do though 🤣🤣 I suppose the ref could say anything to justify a shit decision. Would be interested to know his argument for not even booking him..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 6, 2024 23:47:39 GMT
I think the ref would argue the other defender was coming across as cover. What a fucking stupid thing to do though 🤣🤣 I suppose the ref could say anything to justify a shit decision. Would be interested to know his argument for not even booking him..... Ngl I’d be fuming if our player was sent off for that. And that’s how I judge it. Not booking him is silly but from reading the comments it sounds like he was generally lenient? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 6, 2024 23:50:35 GMT
They changed it a few seasons ago, no? You can't get a red and conceed a pen. If it was outside the box, it's a red. No, the double jeopardy rule said that there should not be an automatic sending off for a penalty. The rule now says that you only get sent off if the offence would get a red card anywhere else on the pitch which I think Batth's challenge would possibly have warranted. |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 6, 2024 23:51:42 GMT
I suppose the ref could say anything to justify a shit decision. Would be interested to know his argument for not even booking him..... Ngl I’d be fuming if our player was sent off for that. And that’s how I judge it. Not booking him is silly but from reading the comments it sounds like he was generally lenient? Batth should have had a yellow after 20 seconds for a blatant pull/haul of Manhoef to the ground. Then Travis appears to aggressively kick Moran in the nuts when on the ground. No card even. I'm not sure I like what people can get sent off for nowadays but the refs need to apply the laws consistently and fairly. He perhaps thinks it doesn't matter at that stage of the game. But that's not his call. We easily miss the pen. And then maybe Batth scores. We would be lighting this board up if that had happened. The ref just needs to do his job. |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 6, 2024 23:53:00 GMT
They changed it a few seasons ago, no? You can't get a red and conceed a pen. If it was outside the box, it's a red. No, the double jeopardy rule said that there should not be an automatic sending off for a penalty. The rule now says that you only get sent off if the offence would get a red card anywhere else on the pitch which I think Batth's challenge would possibly have warranted. It's not quite that. It's if a clear goalscoring opportunity is denied (it was) and no attempt was made to play the ball (clearly also the case). |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 6, 2024 23:54:09 GMT
Every few months I’d see a post from some Oatcake members commenting on how poor we are defensively and they comment “we should’ve kept Danny Batth.” Well tonight was a perfect example of why we got rid of him. He tries his best to give us a goal before he conceded the penalty, he is always on the brink of a disaster. How slow did he look when trying to get to Bae? And Bae isn't our quickest. Hopefully we will not read again that we should have kept him. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 6, 2024 23:58:16 GMT
Ngl I’d be fuming if our player was sent off for that. And that’s how I judge it. Not booking him is silly but from reading the comments it sounds like he was generally lenient? Batth should have had a yellow after 20 seconds for a blatant pull/haul of Manhoef to the ground. Then Travis appears to aggressively kick Moran in the nuts when on the ground. No card even. I'm not sure I like what people can get sent off for nowadays but the refs need to apply the laws consistently and fairly. He perhaps thinks it doesn't matter at that stage of the game. But that's not his call. We easily miss the pen. And then maybe Batth scores. We would be lighting this board up if that had happened. The ref just needs to do his job. I have no issues with refs that ref a game consistently tbh. Sounds like he did? |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 7, 2024 0:00:11 GMT
Batth should have had a yellow after 20 seconds for a blatant pull/haul of Manhoef to the ground. Then Travis appears to aggressively kick Moran in the nuts when on the ground. No card even. I'm not sure I like what people can get sent off for nowadays but the refs need to apply the laws consistently and fairly. He perhaps thinks it doesn't matter at that stage of the game. But that's not his call. We easily miss the pen. And then maybe Batth scores. We would be lighting this board up if that had happened. The ref just needs to do his job. I have no issues with refs that ref a game consistently tbh. Sounds like he did? If you mean consistent in the course of a single game. I'm not sure he did as I don't think we got away with anything egregious. If you mean consistently in each and every game they referee then I'm with you. |
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 7, 2024 0:02:46 GMT
And he did it right in front of the ref.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2024 0:07:40 GMT
I have no issues with refs that ref a game consistently tbh. Sounds like he did? If you mean consistent in the course of a single game. I'm not sure he did as I don't think we got away with anything egregious. If you mean consistently in each and every game they referee then I'm with you. I don’t expect every game to be reffed the same. I think that’s unrealistic. If they treat both teams the same in the same game then I like that. Because I think most struggle to do that. |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 7, 2024 0:15:32 GMT
If you mean consistent in the course of a single game. I'm not sure he did as I don't think we got away with anything egregious. If you mean consistently in each and every game they referee then I'm with you. I don’t expect every game to be reffed the same. I think that’s unrealistic. If they treat both teams the same in the same game then I like that. Because I think most struggle to do that. Most do. But don't agree that they can't be consistent. There are rules written down to help them. They just need to apply them consistently. They can't (and shouldn't) decide they are going to disregard the law when they feel like it, even if they do it for both teams on that occasion. Anyway, luckily on this occasion it didn't matter. So I'm going to forget about it and enjoy the win. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 7, 2024 0:25:50 GMT
🤣 When you look at it from that angle, it's so stupid, and typical Batth!!! 😂 |
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 7, 2024 1:46:18 GMT
Blackburn commentators were convinced it wasn't a penalty.:-0
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Post by Bagwash on Nov 7, 2024 2:30:29 GMT
If you mean consistent in the course of a single game. I'm not sure he did as I don't think we got away with anything egregious. If you mean consistently in each and every game they referee then I'm with you. I don’t expect every game to be reffed the same. I think that’s unrealistic. If they treat both teams the same in the same game then I like that. Because I think most struggle to do that. 100% agree,not ideal but as long as Refs are crap for both sides then no problem. But,and not wearing Stoke tinted glasses I've lost count the number of times where the Refs seem to apply different rules to us than the opposition. I have even commented on this in the past even when we have won so it's not sour grapes. |
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Post by stokecitydom on Nov 7, 2024 7:53:12 GMT
Every few months I’d see a post from some Oatcake members commenting on how poor we are defensively and they comment “we should’ve kept Danny Batth.” Well tonight was a perfect example of why we got rid of him. He tries his best to give us a goal before he conceded the penalty, he is always on the brink of a disaster. Yeah because we looked solid at the back and were in no danger of conceding, My comment is nothing to do with the standard of our defence, it’s just that the answer to our defensive frailties is not Batth. |
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Post by theblackdeath on Nov 7, 2024 9:43:58 GMT
If its a penalty then its NOT also a red card for being the last man. That was changed years ago. Keep up at the back That rule doesn't apply to serious foul play of which a grab round the face certainly is....keep up |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Nov 7, 2024 10:19:22 GMT
I’ve just read this . . ,
“A deliberate handball or foul, such as holding, pulling, or pushing, inside the penalty area will result in a penalty kick to the opposition and a red card to the offender.”
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Post by stokiespark on Nov 7, 2024 22:44:34 GMT
Every few months I’d see a post from some Oatcake members commenting on how poor we are defensively and they comment “we should’ve kept Danny Batth.” Well tonight was a perfect example of why we got rid of him. He tries his best to give us a goal before he conceded the penalty, he is always on the brink of a disaster. we hardly troubled him first half, he wont have an easier 45 mins all season. When we stepped it up a little second half his frailties were there to see. So frustrating at times to see us make him look so much better than he is. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 7, 2024 23:44:25 GMT
I’ve just read this . . , “A deliberate handball or foul, such as holding, pulling, or pushing, inside the penalty area will result in a penalty kick to the opposition and a red card to the offender.” So he should have had an early Batth |
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Post by apb1 on Nov 8, 2024 5:15:34 GMT
Overall the ref was fine. The over fussy card wielding types get on my nerves
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 8, 2024 7:11:12 GMT
Stone wall penalty, but nothing more!  |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 8, 2024 12:36:18 GMT
I’ve just read this . . , “A deliberate handball or foul, such as holding, pulling, or pushing, inside the penalty area will result in a penalty kick to the opposition and a red card to the offender.” That’s if it’s also denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 8, 2024 12:53:09 GMT
Danny Batth is still fucking useless so not much has changed since he was here!
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Post by Glory Hunter on Nov 8, 2024 19:52:26 GMT
Every few months I’d see a post from some Oatcake members commenting on how poor we are defensively and they comment “we should’ve kept Danny Batth.” Well tonight was a perfect example of why we got rid of him. He tries his best to give us a goal before he conceded the penalty, he is always on the brink of a disaster. How slow did he look when trying to get to Bae? And Bae isn't our quickest. Hopefully we will not read again that we should have kept him. I agree that we should not have kept him on footballing grounds, but the only reason he was sold was because he was one of the top 3 highest earners at the time (£28k per week I seem to remember) and if not for that we wouldn’t have sold him. Nice guy, but not worth that money and glad we allowed him to move on. |
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Post by george2again on Nov 8, 2024 20:52:10 GMT
No they changed the rule a season or two back, outside the are that's a red card re stopping a goal scoring opportunity Inside it's a yellow card and a penalty To get a red card in the box it has to be serious foul play or violent challenge Typical stupidity from Batth, sweet turn from Junho That rules only really works if the Penalty is scored. If it is missed there no advantage. In my opinion if the penalty is missed it should change to a red? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 9, 2024 1:41:02 GMT
No they changed the rule a season or two back, outside the are that's a red card re stopping a goal scoring opportunity Inside it's a yellow card and a penalty To get a red card in the box it has to be serious foul play or violent challenge Typical stupidity from Batth, sweet turn from Junho That rules only really works if the Penalty is scored. If it is missed there no advantage. In my opinion if the penalty is missed it should change to a red? No, the penalty gives you the goal scoring opportunity the defender denied you. Nobody can guarantee that the player would have scored from the opportunity if the defender hadn't fouled him.in fact i would say on current form, Bae would probably not have scored if he hadn't been fouled. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 9, 2024 2:54:51 GMT
No they changed the rule a season or two back, outside the are that's a red card re stopping a goal scoring opportunity Inside it's a yellow card and a penalty To get a red card in the box it has to be serious foul play or violent challenge Typical stupidity from Batth, sweet turn from Junho That rules only really works if the Penalty is scored. If it is missed there no advantage. In my opinion if the penalty is missed it should change to a red? The advantage is the penalty. You're confusing advantage with "guaranteed goal" |
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