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Post by nonameface on Nov 22, 2024 18:57:09 GMT
Unless the price is right (similar to Bayerns suggestion), we should stay clear of Cannon.
His main attribute is his finishing, yet he’s in the bottom 3rd of championship strikers non penalty XG this season, his goal output massively boosted by being in the top 1% of penalty goals. He’s in the bottom 1% expected assists too, he offers nothing if he’s not scoring.
His passing is between bottom 5% to average depending upon what you look at, and he’s not good at dribbling (bottom 16%).
He’s young so can develop, but the fee should reflect where he stands today.
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Post by etebojan on Nov 22, 2024 19:04:25 GMT
Devils advocate... but can you suggest any alternative forwards we might look at in the 2/3 million price range, should Cannon go elsewhere...am really curious where all these 2-3 million 15+ goal plus strikers are hiding?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 19:19:57 GMT
Cannon has shown nothing that he’s worth anything over 2/3 million. We shouldn’t be entertaining buying him. I don’t think Schumacher was involved in the transfers this summer tbh. They seemingly knew they wanted to sack him before the summer so why would they have asked him? last sentence I agree I think he’s worth a bit more than 2-3 mil It’s still early days with cannon I think at least we have a centre forward who offers something and getting Gallagher fit and staying fit. Then who knows cannon could get 20 this season He’s done nothing to show he’s worth anything above that. 6 league goals, 4 in one game, scored from open play in one game. It’s pretty shite. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 19:22:27 GMT
Cannon has shown nothing that he’s worth anything over 2/3 million. We shouldn’t be entertaining buying him. I don’t think Schumacher was involved in the transfers this summer tbh. They seemingly knew they wanted to sack him before the summer so why would they have asked him? If for whatever reason we lose Cannon in January, do you think we could replace him (his current goal rate) for 2/3 million?, who would you bring in? I would be happy for us to spend 6-8 million on Cannon I don't think we could really lose out at that price on a decent contract, He's shown great form at PNE over 20 games bagging 8 and pretty good form for us over 11 league games bagging 6 goals and 1 assist. He won’t be a loss. No idea not my job but Brown cost about that and Cannon is no better than him and he wasn’t that good. He’s scored in open play in one league game.. He’s really not that good. |
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Post by etebojan on Nov 22, 2024 19:23:47 GMT
last sentence I agree I think he’s worth a bit more than 2-3 mil It’s still early days with cannon I think at least we have a centre forward who offers something and getting Gallagher fit and staying fit. Then who knows cannon could get 20 this season He’s done nothing to show he’s worth anything above that. 6 league goals, 4 in one game, scored from open play in one game. It’s pretty shite. 4 goals in one game seems pretty darn good to me for a 21 year old, maybe i'm easily impressed, who would you be in for that we could get for 2/3 million Bayern? |
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Post by etebojan on Nov 22, 2024 19:26:04 GMT
If for whatever reason we lose Cannon in January, do you think we could replace him (his current goal rate) for 2/3 million?, who would you bring in? I would be happy for us to spend 6-8 million on Cannon I don't think we could really lose out at that price on a decent contract, He's shown great form at PNE over 20 games bagging 8 and pretty good form for us over 11 league games bagging 6 goals and 1 assist. He won’t be a loss. No idea not my job but Brown cost about that and Cannon is no better than him and he wasn’t that good. He’s scored in open play in one league game.. He’s really not that good. Cannon got nearly as many goals as Brown got in his first season at Stoke (6) in one game. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 22, 2024 19:28:03 GMT
last sentence I agree I think he’s worth a bit more than 2-3 mil It’s still early days with cannon I think at least we have a centre forward who offers something and getting Gallagher fit and staying fit. Then who knows cannon could get 20 this season He’s done nothing to show he’s worth anything above that. 6 league goals, 4 in one game, scored from open play in one game. It’s pretty shite. Some games he did not get a sniff and played poorly another couple of games he should have scored I agree it doesn’t sound good. I think he’s getting better in last few games. Like I’ve said get gally fit and who knows. They only played one game together and he scored 4 and good finishes at that. Yes scored from the spot but at least we have some one now who can score from 12yds as we haven’t for ages |
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Post by nonameface on Nov 22, 2024 19:33:24 GMT
Devils advocate... but can you suggest any alternative forwards we might look at in the 2/3 million price range, should Cannon go elsewhere...am really curious where all these 2-3 million 15+ goal plus strikers are hiding? In 11 championship games, Cannon has 6 goals, which looks excellent until you remember 4 (1 penalty) were against Portsmouth and his two others were both penalties. QPR next so there’s a chance he scores an open play goal, but not confident he will. So not sure we need to be looking for a player to score 15+ goals for 2-3mil. We just need someone who’s a similar threat or more for 2-3m, or better for more but still less than the reported fees. Not a fan of either of these forwards but both are better and were way less this summer . Sinclair Armstrong. 2 non penalty goals. Non penalty XG, top third this season, same as his passing. Sold for c£2m and 21 years old. Tommy Conway. 4 Non penalty XG. Top 5% non penalty XG, top 5-20% for passing. Sold for c£4.5m and 21 years old. Don’t think we have to look far to show there’s better players (in the championship) or similar for the price area Bayerns suggested. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 22, 2024 19:41:07 GMT
Devils advocate... but can you suggest any alternative forwards we might look at in the 2/3 million price range, should Cannon go elsewhere...am really curious where all these 2-3 million 15+ goal plus strikers are hiding? In 11 championship games, Cannon has 6 goals, which looks excellent until you remember 4 (1 penalty) were against Portsmouth and his two others were both penalties. QPR next so there’s a chance he scores an open play goal, but not confident he will. So not sure we need to be looking for a player to score 15+ goals for 2-3mil. We just need someone who’s a similar threat or more for 2-3m, or better for more but still less than the reported fees. Not a fan of either of these forwards but both are better and were way less this summer . Sinclair Armstrong. 2 non penalty goals. Non penalty XG, top third this season, same as his passing. Sold for c£2m and 21 years old. Tommy Conway. 4 Non penalty XG. Top 5% non penalty XG, top 5-20% for passing. Sold for c£4.5m and 21 years old. Don’t think we have to look far to show there’s better players (in the championship) or similar for the price area Bayerns suggested. Well out of those 3 I know which I’d rather have and don’t forget Conway is in a better team than cannon is. |
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Post by nonameface on Nov 22, 2024 19:46:51 GMT
He won’t be a loss. No idea not my job but Brown cost about that and Cannon is no better than him and he wasn’t that good. He’s scored in open play in one league game.. He’s really not that good. Cannon got nearly as many goals as Brown got in his first season at Stoke (6) in one game. Just to point out that in that season, of the 41 games he played, he played just 18 up top scoring all 5 in these games. Non were penalties. Not saying he was great btw. But there’s very little difference between the two, with Cannons technique looking better, but generally not being that effective with it. We’ve done well in the foreign market, perhaps we could go there again or wait till the summer and pick up better. We shouldn’t be spending BIG fees yet. |
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Post by etebojan on Nov 22, 2024 20:01:35 GMT
Cannon got nearly as many goals as Brown got in his first season at Stoke (6) in one game. Just to point out that in that season, of the 41 games he played, he played just 18 up top scoring all 5 in these games. Non were penalties. Not saying he was great btw. But there’s very little difference between the two, with Cannons technique looking better, but generally not being that effective with it. We’ve done well in the foreign market, perhaps we could go there again or wait till the summer and pick up better. We shouldn’t be spending BIG fees yet. if Cannon goes in January then we be left with Ennis who doesn't score goals and Gallagher who is decent but we can't rely on, Tezgel who needs a loan...foreign market of course there might be some gems there but we spent 4million on Mmaee, and look what happened to him...I dare say we could take a punt on some others maybe there are more young dynamic unknown players in Korea or Japan. I understand everyones differing feelings about Cannon...it makes sense, I just think sometimes we need to spend a bit of cash on a prospect |
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Post by nonameface on Nov 22, 2024 20:20:52 GMT
Just to point out that in that season, of the 41 games he played, he played just 18 up top scoring all 5 in these games. Non were penalties. Not saying he was great btw. But there’s very little difference between the two, with Cannons technique looking better, but generally not being that effective with it. We’ve done well in the foreign market, perhaps we could go there again or wait till the summer and pick up better. We shouldn’t be spending BIG fees yet. if Cannon goes in January then we be left with Ennis who doesn't score goals and Gallagher who is decent but we can't rely on, Tezgel who needs a loan...foreign market of course there might be some gems there but we spent 4million on Mmaee, and look what happened to him...I dare say we could take a punt on some others maybe there are more young dynamic unknown players in Korea or Japan. I understand everyones differing feelings about Cannon...it makes sense, I just think sometimes we need to spend a bit of cash on a prospect Wouldn’t be surprised to see Ennis gone in January or the end of the window, he’s a bottom end back up championship player, but much better suited to League 1 and below. So not sure we need to think that if we lose Cannon, that the alternative is him. With Tezgel it’s a shame, think he just needs a little more pace to suit Pelach, but his all round game looks better than Cannons. Mmaee is a better overall player than Cannon, controversial view, but his xg last year was top third,xa top third, about average on taking a player on too. So if we recalled him and Cannon went we’d likely do no different, potentially a bit better. Pelach may be able to get more out him mentally than Schumacher. Then there’s the option of signing another player on loan. Koumas has looked more dangerous down the middle than Cannon too. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 20:24:32 GMT
He’s done nothing to show he’s worth anything above that. 6 league goals, 4 in one game, scored from open play in one game. It’s pretty shite. Some games he did not get a sniff and played poorly another couple of games he should have scored I agree it doesn’t sound good. I think he’s getting better in last few games. Like I’ve said get gally fit and who knows. They only played one game together and he scored 4 and good finishes at that. Yes scored from the spot but at least we have some one now who can score from 12yds as we haven’t for ages I thought he was shit against Millwall tbh. And not much better vs Derby. He just doesn’t look a threat in open play. It should be him or Gallagher not both of them. Penalties are pretty easy. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 22, 2024 20:45:24 GMT
Some games he did not get a sniff and played poorly another couple of games he should have scored I agree it doesn’t sound good. I think he’s getting better in last few games. Like I’ve said get gally fit and who knows. They only played one game together and he scored 4 and good finishes at that. Yes scored from the spot but at least we have some one now who can score from 12yds as we haven’t for ages I thought he was shit against Millwall tbh. And not much better vs Derby. He just doesn’t look a threat in open play. It should be him or Gallagher not both of them. Penalties are pretty easy. He needs service, perhaps Verlinden could do a job |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 20:57:17 GMT
I thought he was shit against Millwall tbh. And not much better vs Derby. He just doesn’t look a threat in open play. It should be him or Gallagher not both of them. Penalties are pretty easy. He needs service, perhaps Verlinden could do a job He’s missed plenty of chances. This he needs service bollocks is just that. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 22, 2024 20:57:20 GMT
Some games he did not get a sniff and played poorly another couple of games he should have scored I agree it doesn’t sound good. I think he’s getting better in last few games. Like I’ve said get gally fit and who knows. They only played one game together and he scored 4 and good finishes at that. Yes scored from the spot but at least we have some one now who can score from 12yds as we haven’t for ages I thought he was shit against Millwall tbh. And not much better vs Derby. He just doesn’t look a threat in open play. It should be him or Gallagher not both of them. Penalties are pretty easy. You made me laugh out load then mate Our record shows that pennos arnt easy I mean messi misses them. Disagree they should both play. I mean in the first 60 mins of that game we could have scored 10. Can’t remember which game I watched him closely but his movement was very good. He should have scored more than he has but I reckon he will get 15 this season. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 22, 2024 21:02:11 GMT
He needs service, perhaps Verlinden could do a job He’s missed plenty of chances. This he needs service bollocks is just that. I bow to your greater knowledge |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 21:02:46 GMT
I thought he was shit against Millwall tbh. And not much better vs Derby. He just doesn’t look a threat in open play. It should be him or Gallagher not both of them. Penalties are pretty easy. You made me laugh out load then mate Our record shows that pennos arnt easy I mean messi misses them. Disagree they should both play. I mean in the first 60 mins of that game we could have scored 10. Can’t remember which game I watched him closely but his movement was very good. He should have scored more than he has but I reckon he will get 15 this season. Our record means sod all. Penalties should mainly be scored. Not doing so is a failure. Messi is shit at penalties and shouldn’t take them. There will be times for it but generally we need 3 in midfield. Playing both won’t allow that. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 22, 2024 21:02:58 GMT
if Cannon goes in January then we be left with Ennis who doesn't score goals and Gallagher who is decent but we can't rely on, Tezgel who needs a loan...foreign market of course there might be some gems there but we spent 4million on Mmaee, and look what happened to him...I dare say we could take a punt on some others maybe there are more young dynamic unknown players in Korea or Japan. I understand everyones differing feelings about Cannon...it makes sense, I just think sometimes we need to spend a bit of cash on a prospect Wouldn’t be surprised to see Ennis gone in January or the end of the window, he’s a bottom end back up championship player, but much better suited to League 1 and below. So not sure we need to think that if we lose Cannon, that the alternative is him. With Tezgel it’s a shame, think he just needs a little more pace to suit Pelach, but his all round game looks better than Cannons. Mmaee is a better overall player than Cannon, controversial view, but his xg last year was top third,xa top third, about average on taking a player on too. So if we recalled him and Cannon went we’d likely do no different, potentially a bit better. Pelach may be able to get more out him mentally than Schumacher. Then there’s the option of signing another player on loan. Koumas has looked more dangerous down the middle than Cannon too. I really don’t want to be rude here mate but that’s bollocks. Tezgel one of our own but not on the same level sorry. Mmaee better than cannon I don’t think so forget all this xg or xa Mmaee got no movement does work wants it at his feet for him to be bothered. Mmaee belongs where he is |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 22, 2024 21:13:08 GMT
You made me laugh out load then mate Our record shows that pennos arnt easy I mean messi misses them. Disagree they should both play. I mean in the first 60 mins of that game we could have scored 10. Can’t remember which game I watched him closely but his movement was very good. He should have scored more than he has but I reckon he will get 15 this season. Our record means sod all. Penalties should mainly be scored. Not doing so is a failure. Messi is shit at penalties and shouldn’t take them. There will be times for it but generally we need 3 in midfield. Playing both won’t allow that. If a keeper goes the right way the ball has to be put in the corner like cannon does really well with power and accuracy. Yes you should score a pen 7/8 out of ten. I wonder what they Argentinians keeper stats are I bet he think other way around. At the minute we probably need 3 in midfield but once we get our injured players back ie lawal and Pearson 2 would be fine Unfortunately with gallys injury and others we haven’t seen enough formations to know which system would be best and I guess it depends on opposition also. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2024 21:15:09 GMT
Our record means sod all. Penalties should mainly be scored. Not doing so is a failure. Messi is shit at penalties and shouldn’t take them. There will be times for it but generally we need 3 in midfield. Playing both won’t allow that. If a keeper goes the right way the ball has to be put in the corner like cannon does really well with power and accuracy. Yes you should score a pen 7/8 out of ten. I wonder what they Argentinians keeper stats are I bet he think other way around. At the minute we probably need 3 in midfield but once we get our injured players back ie lawal and Pearson 2 would be fine Unfortunately with gallys injury and others we haven’t seen enough formations to know which system would be best and I guess it depends on opposition also. It does and a professional footballer should be able to do that consistently. It’s a muscle memory built through practise. No one plays 442 for good reason. And Pearson should be fucked off at the soonest opportunity. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 22, 2024 21:28:17 GMT
If a keeper goes the right way the ball has to be put in the corner like cannon does really well with power and accuracy. Yes you should score a pen 7/8 out of ten. I wonder what they Argentinians keeper stats are I bet he think other way around. At the minute we probably need 3 in midfield but once we get our injured players back ie lawal and Pearson 2 would be fine Unfortunately with gallys injury and others we haven’t seen enough formations to know which system would be best and I guess it depends on opposition also. It does and a professional footballer should be able to do that consistently. It’s a muscle memory built through practise. No one plays 442 for good reason. And Pearson should be fucked off at the soonest opportunity. It didn’t do any harm until tippy tappy came in. I wouldn’t play with wide wingers anyway as we have got the personal to take a man on and get wide got no pace. Play without wingers and there’s room for gally and cannon. Let’s see how Pearson plays under chicho first before getting rid. There’s a good player in there |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 23, 2024 2:25:05 GMT
Liam Delap to Chelsea on the rumour mill
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2024 8:10:33 GMT
If for whatever reason we lose Cannon in January, do you think we could replace him (his current goal rate) for 2/3 million?, who would you bring in? I would be happy for us to spend 6-8 million on Cannon I don't think we could really lose out at that price on a decent contract, He's shown great form at PNE over 20 games bagging 8 and pretty good form for us over 11 league games bagging 6 goals and 1 assist. He won’t be a loss. No idea not my job but Brown cost about that and Cannon is no better than him and he wasn’t that good. He’s scored in open play in one league game.. He’s really not that good. Brown cost under £2m and we sold him for £5m |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2024 8:15:56 GMT
He won’t be a loss. No idea not my job but Brown cost about that and Cannon is no better than him and he wasn’t that good. He’s scored in open play in one league game.. He’s really not that good. Brown cost under £2m and we sold him for £5m And he’s not worth anything close to what we sold him for. It was excellent business. So I’d rather we bought low and sold high. Than buy high and lose money on someone who isn’t better than an average Championship player. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2024 8:26:43 GMT
Brown cost under £2m and we sold him for £5m And he’s not worth anything close to what we sold him for. It was excellent business. So I’d rather we bought low and sold high. Than buy high and lose money on someone who isn’t better than an average Championship player. I'd suggest the market drives value How much did Simms go for £8m? Ross Stewart the same Who are these Championship goalscorers you can buy for £2m to £3m? It's not 2010 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2024 8:55:27 GMT
And he’s not worth anything close to what we sold him for. It was excellent business. So I’d rather we bought low and sold high. Than buy high and lose money on someone who isn’t better than an average Championship player. I'd suggest the market drives value How much did Simms go for £8m? Ross Stewart the same Who are these Championship goalscorers you can buy for £2m to £3m? It's not 2010 And we should have been nowhere near them either. And Ross Stewart was a bullet dodged. Current top 5 scorers Borja Sainz - free Josh Maja - free Vakoun Bayo - loan but signed for Watford in 2022 for 5m Haji Wright - 8m Joel Piroe - bought into the Championship for a million sold to Leeds for 10 and he ain’t worth that. So proves my point. 3/5 bought into this league for a combined million quid. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 23, 2024 9:05:38 GMT
He needs service, perhaps Verlinden could do a job He’s missed plenty of chances. This he needs service bollocks is just that. But you’re saying he doesn’t look a threat in open play. But surely if he’s getting in positions to miss plenty of chances he’s looked a threat. Seems like Cannon isn’t the only one lacking consistency. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2024 9:10:26 GMT
He’s missed plenty of chances. This he needs service bollocks is just that. But you’re saying he doesn’t look a threat in open play. But surely if he’s getting in positions to miss plenty of chances he’s looked a threat. Seems like Cannon isn’t the only one lacking consistency. He’s missing chances. That’s not being a threat. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 23, 2024 9:29:41 GMT
But you’re saying he doesn’t look a threat in open play. But surely if he’s getting in positions to miss plenty of chances he’s looked a threat. Seems like Cannon isn’t the only one lacking consistency. He’s missing chances. That’s not being a threat. Yes it is. Being in a position to go close indicates he’s a threat. His performance against Portsmouth suggests that, like all good strikers, he’s got the ability to be an excellent finisher. He’s not worth 10 million, 5 is a step too far but he’s absolutely worth 3 million. If we can afford that which I doubt. |
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