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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 28, 2024 14:03:28 GMT
I don't think I can recall a forthcoming budget that has resulted in so much apprehension and negative media reports as this next day of gloom finally arrives on Wednesday. Labour government ministers have not helped with almost daily warnings and predictions. So what are we guessing (that's all we can do) is going to happen and how will it affect our daily lives? The only things we know are; 1. ** Tax Increases**: Labour has ruled out raising income tax, VAT, or National Insurance for "working people." However, there may be increases in employer National Insurance contributions and other smaller tax adjustments to raise funds 2. ** Spending Cuts**: The budget will likely include spending cuts to address the £22 billion "black hole" in public finances inherited from the previous government 3. ** Investment in Public Services**: Despite the need for cuts, Labour has promised to end austerity and invest more in vital public services, including health, education, and infrastructure 4. ** Fiscal Rules**: Reeves is expected to change the fiscal rules to allow for more borrowing to invest in big projects like roads, railways, and hospitals. |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 28, 2024 14:10:06 GMT
I don't think I can recall a forthcoming budget that has resulted in so much apprehension and negative media reports as this next day of gloom finally arrives on Wednesday. Labour government ministers have not helped with almost daily warnings and predictions. So what are we guessing (that's all we can do) is going to happen and how will it affect our daily lives? The only things we know are; 1. ** Tax Increases**: Labour has ruled out raising income tax, VAT, or National Insurance for "working people." However, there may be increases in employer National Insurance contributions and other smaller tax adjustments to raise funds 2. ** Spending Cuts**: The budget will likely include spending cuts to address the £22 billion "black hole" in public finances inherited from the previous government 3. ** Investment in Public Services**: Despite the need for cuts, Labour has promised to end austerity and invest more in vital public services, including health, education, and infrastructure 4. ** Fiscal Rules**: Reeves is expected to change the fiscal rules to allow for more borrowing to invest in big projects like roads, railways, and hospitals. never no leaks of how they are going to make the super rich and corporations pay their share as always its the working middle classes that will pay, thats no change from tory but labour have been saying for 15 years how they will make the rich pay. its a case of how you were |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 28, 2024 14:15:56 GMT
Sounds like a black hole that pal 😉 T618 is the largest known black hole weighing in at circa 66 billion of our suns. 22bn can't be that big surely. I think Reeves is an exaggerator 😆 The one good thing about the budget is its the day before Halloween so there should be some good newspaper headlines to look forward to 😆 As the old adage goes: you owe the bank £1million you have a problem, you owe the bank £1billion the bank has a problem 😜 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2024 14:17:31 GMT
The only things we know are; 1. ** Tax Increases**: Labour has ruled out raising income tax, VAT, or National Insurance for "working people." However, there may be increases in employer National Insurance contributions and other smaller tax adjustments to raise funds 2. ** Spending Cuts**: The budget will likely include spending cuts to address the £22 billion "black hole" in public finances inherited from the previous government 3. ** Investment in Public Services**: Despite the need for cuts, Labour has promised to end austerity and invest more in vital public services, including health, education, and infrastructure 4. ** Fiscal Rules**: Reeves is expected to change the fiscal rules to allow for more borrowing to invest in big projects like roads, railways, and hospitals. never no leaks of how they are going to make the super rich and corporations pay their share as always its the working middle classes that will pay, thats no change from tory but labour have been saying for 15 years how they will make the rich pay. its a case of how you were They want us all suckling on the govts big greasy teets. Much easier to control us when none of us have feck all and all work for mega corps on the old PAYE... |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2024 15:01:46 GMT
British electorate: "we want things that work, why can't we have things that work, like decent public services? Austerity just means everything gets worse".
Also British electorate:"I don't want to have to pay for anything, though".
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 28, 2024 15:05:17 GMT
Why are spunking £22m on carbon capture if that's the case? It's £22Billion mate. See how easy it is to make that money disappear. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 15:07:46 GMT
British electorate: "we want things that work, why can't we have things that work, like decent public services? Austerity just means everything gets worse". Also British electorate:"I don't want to have to pay for anything, though". Me: "Why not tax the super wealthy instead of taking £1 off bus passengers from rural working class areas?" |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2024 15:09:01 GMT
British electorate: "we want things that work, why can't we have things that work, like decent public services? Austerity just means everything gets worse". Also British electorate:"I don't want to have to pay for anything, though". Ah someone who still believes the govt and all their various guises don't waste any money. Must be nice that. We currently have our highest tax burden post war. Those last rats in power got us to that point. And now Kier says he needs lots and lots more tax. Hard working tax payers are getting fucked off... And "working" people are gonna be really fucked off when his promise of no additional tax for them is revealed as the bullshit it is when they work out his shifty little schemes to get them paying indirectly anyway... |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2024 15:10:05 GMT
British electorate: "we want things that work, why can't we have things that work, like decent public services? Austerity just means everything gets worse". Also British electorate:"I don't want to have to pay for anything, though". Me: "Why not tax the super wealthy instead of taking £1 of bus passengers from rural working class areas?" Because then "they all leave the country and the UK gets even worse off apparently". Something Salop has said on a number of occasions, ironically! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2024 15:13:06 GMT
British electorate: "we want things that work, why can't we have things that work, like decent public services? Austerity just means everything gets worse". Also British electorate:"I don't want to have to pay for anything, though". . Must be nice that. We currently have our highest tax burden post war. Those last rats in power got us to that point. And now Kier says he needs lots and lots more tax. Hard working tax payers are getting fucked off... And "working" people are gonna be really fucked off when his promise of no additional tax for them is revealed as the bullshit it is when they work out his shifty little schemes to get them paying indirectly anyway... When did I say that? All govts spend money and not all of it produces visible or beneficial outcomes. But you won't change anything if you don't invest in it. I think you've made up a point I wasn't making simply to ague against it. |
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Post by frasier37 on Oct 28, 2024 15:13:43 GMT
We moan but we *all feed the system with our narcissistic mindsets thats been encouraged by large corp / media
First thing we teach our kids...grab what you can quick because this world doesn't give a shit about you.
We've created hell and we moan about it but do nothing.
Just repeat the same old crap every few years because we're told this colour party will be like utopia and everytime it gets worse
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Post by salopstick on Oct 28, 2024 15:13:49 GMT
I repeat to the Government that if they persist in making announcements first outside this House, Ministers will be called to account in this Chamber at the earliest opportunity. The Chair of Ways and Means, who oversees the Budget, is also very upset by the briefing that has gone out. At one time, Ministers did the right thing if they briefed before a Budget: they walked. [Interruption.] Yes, absolutely! They resigned. It seems to me that we are now in a position where if they have not got the information out five days beforehand, it is not worth putting out. Members are elected to this House to represent their constituents and those constituents quite rightly expect their MP to hear it first in order to be able to listen to what the Budget is about and also, in the days following that, to hold the Government to account. This is unacceptable and the Government should not try to run roughshod over this House. It will not happen.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 28, 2024 15:24:56 GMT
I repeat to the Government that if they persist in making announcements first outside this House, Ministers will be called to account in this Chamber at the earliest opportunity. The Chair of Ways and Means, who oversees the Budget, is also very upset by the briefing that has gone out. At one time, Ministers did the right thing if they briefed before a Budget: they walked. [Interruption.] Yes, absolutely! They resigned. It seems to me that we are now in a position where if they have not got the information out five days beforehand, it is not worth putting out. Members are elected to this House to represent their constituents and those constituents quite rightly expect their MP to hear it first in order to be able to listen to what the Budget is about and also, in the days following that, to hold the Government to account. This is unacceptable and the Government should not try to run roughshod over this House. It will not happen. They aren't working for their constituents are they though, that's the problem. They're working for the party and the party is working for their paymasters. They don't even like us, and they're quite open in their contempt for the general public. They're perfectly happy to keep fucking us over and blame the other bunch of shysters for having to do so. |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 28, 2024 15:26:35 GMT
I repeat to the Government that if they persist in making announcements first outside this House, Ministers will be called to account in this Chamber at the earliest opportunity. The Chair of Ways and Means, who oversees the Budget, is also very upset by the briefing that has gone out. At one time, Ministers did the right thing if they briefed before a Budget: they walked. [Interruption.] Yes, absolutely! They resigned. It seems to me that we are now in a position where if they have not got the information out five days beforehand, it is not worth putting out. Members are elected to this House to represent their constituents and those constituents quite rightly expect their MP to hear it first in order to be able to listen to what the Budget is about and also, in the days following that, to hold the Government to account. This is unacceptable and the Government should not try to run roughshod over this House. It will not happen. They aren't working for their constituents are they though, that's the problem. They're working for the party and the party is working for their paymasters. They don't even like us, and they're quite open in their contempt for the general public. They're perfectly happy to keep fucking us over and blame the other bunch of shysters for having to do so. that was the quote the (ex labour) Speaker Lindsay Hoyle made to the Tories when they leaked the budget details |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2024 15:27:18 GMT
I repeat to the Government that if they persist in making announcements first outside this House, Ministers will be called to account in this Chamber at the earliest opportunity. The Chair of Ways and Means, who oversees the Budget, is also very upset by the briefing that has gone out. At one time, Ministers did the right thing if they briefed before a Budget: they walked. [Interruption.] Yes, absolutely! They resigned. It seems to me that we are now in a position where if they have not got the information out five days beforehand, it is not worth putting out. Members are elected to this House to represent their constituents and those constituents quite rightly expect their MP to hear it first in order to be able to listen to what the Budget is about and also, in the days following that, to hold the Government to account. This is unacceptable and the Government should not try to run roughshod over this House. It will not happen. They aren't working for their constituents are they though, that's the problem. They're working for the party and the party is working for their paymasters. They don't even like us, and they're quite open in their contempt for the general public. They're perfectly happy to keep fucking us over and blame the other bunch of shysters for having to do so. No they're not working for their constituents, they are out sucker punching them in the side of the head instead 😆 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2024 15:32:26 GMT
Ah someone who still believes the govt and all their various guises don't waste any money. Must be nice that. We currently have our highest tax burden post war. Those last rats in power got us to that point. And now Kier says he needs lots and lots more tax. Hard working tax payers are getting fucked off... And "working" people are gonna be really fucked off when his promise of no additional tax for them is revealed as the bullshit it is when they work out his shifty little schemes to get them paying indirectly anyway... When did I say that? All govts spend money and not all of it produces visible or beneficial outcomes. But you won't change anything if you don't invest in it. I think you've made up a point I wasn't making simply to ague against it. Ive not made up any point to just argue against anything. I was responding to you implying the electorate are a bit dumb wanting better services but no tax increases. I'm highlighting if we reigned in some of the catastrophic waste all of our govt departments oversee then we might have a more palatable tax burden... |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2024 15:41:36 GMT
When did I say that? All govts spend money and not all of it produces visible or beneficial outcomes. But you won't change anything if you don't invest in it. I think you've made up a point I wasn't making simply to ague against it. Ive not made up any point to just argue against anything. I was responding to you implying the electorate are a bit dumb wanting better services but no tax increases. I'm highlighting if we reigned in some of the catastrophic waste all of our govt departments oversee then we might have a more palatable tax burden... I don't disagree. But nor did I claim to be someone who "still believes the govt and all their various guises don't waste any money" which is what you said, hence my comment about you making up something you think I said simply to argue against it! It'd be lovely if nobody wasted anything, money or resources, energy, time, whatever. You clearly are a paragon in that regard  It's a bit naive to think that that could ever be the case, but laudable to try to get there nonetheless. Even then, you'd still have people arguing that spending on [NetZero; foreign aid; migrants; benefits; insert unliked policy here] was a waste regardless, simply because they don't believe it should be spent in that cause. Our tax burden is pretty low comparatively. Look it up if you don't believe me! Edit: here you go, I've saved you the bother: ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationallyGlobal happiness report: worldhappiness.report/ed/2024/happiness-of-the-younger-the-older-and-those-in-between/#ranking-of-happiness-2021-2023
That's gonna blow a lot of people's minds who think otherwise! From that IFS report: " Under current government plans, UK tax revenue is forecast to increase to 37.7% of GDP by 2027–28. This would take the UK above both the current OECD and G7 averages. It should be noted, however, that other governments may also increase their levels of taxation by then". Good. And when it does, then we will be well within our rights to ask why things aren't getting better. As I've said many times on here, they pay more tax in our comparable northern European neighbours, have generally better public services and happier people - go figure! Perhaps having an extra £50 a month in your wages doesn't add up to much life satisfaction when your roads are full of potholes, you can't get a doctor's appointment and you're paying for your kids school books...? Incidentally, "I was responding to you implying the electorate are a bit dumb wanting better services but no tax increases. I'm highlighting if we reigned in some of the catastrophic waste all of our govt departments oversee then we might have a more palatable tax burden..." that is pretty much the Conservative manifesto right there and it regularly wins them elections and yet services don't get better (usually much worse like we've just experienced) so forgive me if I do think the electorate is a bit dumb, yes! |
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Post by ian57 on Oct 28, 2024 16:09:43 GMT
I repeat to the Government that if they persist in making announcements first outside this House, Ministers will be called to account in this Chamber at the earliest opportunity. The Chair of Ways and Means, who oversees the Budget, is also very upset by the briefing that has gone out. At one time, Ministers did the right thing if they briefed before a Budget: they walked. [Interruption.] Yes, absolutely! They resigned. It seems to me that we are now in a position where if they have not got the information out five days beforehand, it is not worth putting out. Members are elected to this House to represent their constituents and those constituents quite rightly expect their MP to hear it first in order to be able to listen to what the Budget is about and also, in the days following that, to hold the Government to account. This is unacceptable and the Government should not try to run roughshod over this House. It will not happen. They aren't working for their constituents are they though, that's the problem. They're working for the party and the party is working for their paymasters. They don't even like us, and they're quite open in their contempt for the general public. They're perfectly happy to keep fucking us over and blame the other bunch of shysters for having to do so. I’ve said it time and time again that this government absolutely despises the working class of this country and is intent on punishing them at every opportunity. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2024 16:33:41 GMT
Ive not made up any point to just argue against anything. I was responding to you implying the electorate are a bit dumb wanting better services but no tax increases. I'm highlighting if we reigned in some of the catastrophic waste all of our govt departments oversee then we might have a more palatable tax burden... I don't disagree. But nor did I claim to be someone who "still believes the govt and all their various guises don't waste any money" which is what you said, hence my comment about you making up something you think I said simply to argue against it! It'd be lovely if nobody wasted anything, money or resources, energy, time, whatever. You clearly are a paragon in that regard It's a bit naive to think that that could ever be the case, but laudable to try to get there nonetheless. Even then, you'd still have people arguing that spending on [NetZero; foreign aid; migrants; benefits; insert unliked policy here] was a waste regardless, simply because they don't believe it should be spent in that cause. Our tax burden is pretty low comparatively. Look it up if you don't believe me! Edit: here you go, I've saved you the bother: ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationallyGlobal happiness report: worldhappiness.report/ed/2024/happiness-of-the-younger-the-older-and-those-in-between/#ranking-of-happiness-2021-2023
That's gonna blow a lot of people's minds who think otherwise! From that IFS report: " Under current government plans, UK tax revenue is forecast to increase to 37.7% of GDP by 2027–28. This would take the UK above both the current OECD and G7 averages. It should be noted, however, that other governments may also increase their levels of taxation by then". Good. And when it does, then we will be well within our rights to ask why things aren't getting better. As I've said many times on here, they pay more tax in our comparable northern European neighbours, have generally better public services and happier people - go figure! Perhaps having an extra £50 a month in your wages doesn't add up to much life satisfaction when your roads are full of potholes, you can't get a doctor's appointment and you're paying for your kids school books...? Incidentally, "I was responding to you implying the electorate are a bit dumb wanting better services but no tax increases. I'm highlighting if we reigned in some of the catastrophic waste all of our govt departments oversee then we might have a more palatable tax burden..." that is pretty much the Conservative manifesto right there and it regularly wins them elections and yet services don't get better (usually much worse like we've just experienced) so forgive me if I do think the electorate is a bit dumb, yes! Its funny how The northern European countries are put up there as exemplars But at least you haven't gone down the American view that Scandinavia is the perfect example of how socialism works 😆 But have a chat with Musik on here. He might tell a slightly different story. And I wish I was only worried about 50 quid extra tax a month. I have slightly bigger issues at hand unfortunately. And as you have now indeed confirmed that you do believe the electorate are a bit dumb I must say I disagree. Not their/our fault our political system essentially means you have a choice of 2 totally shit political parties... |
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Post by frasier37 on Oct 28, 2024 17:11:46 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Oct 28, 2024 18:05:31 GMT
The Tory government cut NI as a pre election bribe creating a financial deficit knowing that if they lost the election it would be Labour's problem and they'd get blamed for raising taxes that shouldn't have been cut in the first place. The next few budgets are all about fixing the shambles the last government left. The budgets to judge Labour by will be in 2 or 3 years time. Whatever happens it isn't going to be the shitshow Truss and Kwateng inflicted on the nation - that was truly special. Is the correct answer which some people are finding it difficult to comprehend as they disappear down Black Holes As you know Labour will also make Political Choices where to spend what it raises in Taxes including any new Taxes but it will not borrow to pay for current expenditure In addition Labour will borrow for Capital expenditure on crumbling Hospitals, Schools, Infrastructure etc as well as GBE in an attempt to stimulate UK stagnant Economy Edit: Labour will also set up a Task Force to recover Covid Fraud, and that doesn't even include Conservative Peers and MPs. If some go to gaol even better than the money |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 28, 2024 18:14:58 GMT
The Tory government cut NI as a pre election bribe creating a financial deficit knowing that if they lost the election it would be Labour's problem and they'd get blamed for raising taxes that shouldn't have been cut in the first place. The next few budgets are all about fixing the shambles the last government left. The budgets to judge Labour by will be in 2 or 3 years time. Whatever happens it isn't going to be the shitshow Truss and Kwateng inflicted on the nation - that was truly special. Is the correct answer which some people are finding it difficult to comprehend as they disappear down Black Holes As you know Labour will also make Political Choices where to spend what it raises in Taxes including any new Taxes but it will not borrow to pay for current expenditure In addition Labour will borrow for Capital expenditure on crumbling Hospitals, Schools, Infrastructure etc as well as GBE in an attempt to stimulate UK stagnant Economy Is that not a massive contradiction. You've just said they won't borrow anything to pay for current expenditure and then said but they will borrow to pay for crumbling infrastructure. So by that rational are you saying current expenditure does not factor in maintaining existing infrastructure for all our various facilities? That's not a very good business model... |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 28, 2024 18:17:38 GMT
I repeat to the Government that if they persist in making announcements first outside this House, Ministers will be called to account in this Chamber at the earliest opportunity. The Chair of Ways and Means, who oversees the Budget, is also very upset by the briefing that has gone out. At one time, Ministers did the right thing if they briefed before a Budget: they walked. [Interruption.] Yes, absolutely! They resigned. It seems to me that we are now in a position where if they have not got the information out five days beforehand, it is not worth putting out. Members are elected to this House to represent their constituents and those constituents quite rightly expect their MP to hear it first in order to be able to listen to what the Budget is about and also, in the days following that, to hold the Government to account. This is unacceptable and the Government should not try to run roughshod over this House. It will not happen. Governments sometimes leak budget details to the press for several reasons: 1. **Managing Expectations**: By releasing certain details early, they can gauge public reaction and adjust their plans accordingly. 2. **Political Strategy**: Leaks can be used to gain political advantage, either by highlighting popular measures or by distracting from less favorable news. 3. **Testing the Waters**: It allows them to see how the public and markets might react to specific proposals before they are officially announced. 4. **Media Relations**: Leaks can help maintain a good relationship with the press by providing them with exclusive information. It's a strategic move that can serve multiple purposes, depending on the context and the goals of the government at the time. On balance, it’s far more preferable for governments to incur the wrath of parliament and the Speaker than it is to feel the wrath of The City. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2024 18:33:26 GMT
I don't disagree. But nor did I claim to be someone who "still believes the govt and all their various guises don't waste any money" which is what you said, hence my comment about you making up something you think I said simply to argue against it! It'd be lovely if nobody wasted anything, money or resources, energy, time, whatever. You clearly are a paragon in that regard It's a bit naive to think that that could ever be the case, but laudable to try to get there nonetheless. Even then, you'd still have people arguing that spending on [NetZero; foreign aid; migrants; benefits; insert unliked policy here] was a waste regardless, simply because they don't believe it should be spent in that cause. Our tax burden is pretty low comparatively. Look it up if you don't believe me! Edit: here you go, I've saved you the bother: ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationallyGlobal happiness report: worldhappiness.report/ed/2024/happiness-of-the-younger-the-older-and-those-in-between/#ranking-of-happiness-2021-2023
That's gonna blow a lot of people's minds who think otherwise! From that IFS report: " Under current government plans, UK tax revenue is forecast to increase to 37.7% of GDP by 2027–28. This would take the UK above both the current OECD and G7 averages. It should be noted, however, that other governments may also increase their levels of taxation by then". Good. And when it does, then we will be well within our rights to ask why things aren't getting better. As I've said many times on here, they pay more tax in our comparable northern European neighbours, have generally better public services and happier people - go figure! Perhaps having an extra £50 a month in your wages doesn't add up to much life satisfaction when your roads are full of potholes, you can't get a doctor's appointment and you're paying for your kids school books...? Incidentally, "I was responding to you implying the electorate are a bit dumb wanting better services but no tax increases. I'm highlighting if we reigned in some of the catastrophic waste all of our govt departments oversee then we might have a more palatable tax burden..." that is pretty much the Conservative manifesto right there and it regularly wins them elections and yet services don't get better (usually much worse like we've just experienced) so forgive me if I do think the electorate is a bit dumb, yes! Its funny how The northern European countries are put up there as exemplars But at least you haven't gone down the American view that Scandinavia is the perfect example of how socialism works 😆 But have a chat with Musik on here. He might tell a slightly different story. And I wish I was only worried about 50 quid extra tax a month. I have slightly bigger issues at hand unfortunately. And as you have now indeed confirmed that you do believe the electorate are a bit dumb I must say I disagree. Not their/our fault our political system essentially means you have a choice of 2 totally shit political parties... Yeah, I'll definitely take the word of one slightly weird bloke off the Oatcake over a Global Happiness Index which surveys thousands of individuals from numerous countries and consistently puts the Scandinavian countries at the top. You've won me over with that argument 😂 How else would you describe an electorate that incessantly moans about public services being shit then complains when trying to put them right costs money?! 8 out of 10 of the electorate couldn't even name the leaders of the 3 main parties. Try it at work tomorrow. Select ten people at random. Then tell me the electorate isn't a bit dumb. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 28, 2024 18:36:18 GMT
Its funny how The northern European countries are put up there as exemplars But at least you haven't gone down the American view that Scandinavia is the perfect example of how socialism works 😆 But have a chat with Musik on here. He might tell a slightly different story. And I wish I was only worried about 50 quid extra tax a month. I have slightly bigger issues at hand unfortunately. And as you have now indeed confirmed that you do believe the electorate are a bit dumb I must say I disagree. Not their/our fault our political system essentially means you have a choice of 2 totally shit political parties... Yeah, I'll definitely take the word of one slightly weird bloke off the Oatcake over a Global Happiness Index which surveys thousands of individuals from numerous countries and consistently puts the Scandinavian countries at the top. You've won me over with that argument 😂 How else would you describe an electorate that incessantly moans about public services being shit then complains when trying to put them right costs money?! Weird? He's the only normal person on here. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2024 18:40:55 GMT
Yeah, I'll definitely take the word of one slightly weird bloke off the Oatcake over a Global Happiness Index which surveys thousands of individuals from numerous countries and consistently puts the Scandinavian countries at the top. You've won me over with that argument 😂 How else would you describe an electorate that incessantly moans about public services being shit then complains when trying to put them right costs money?! Weird? He's the only normal person on here. Takes one to know one as they say |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 28, 2024 18:43:39 GMT
Weird? He's the only normal person on here. Takes one to know one as they say The world would be a lot better place if people were just a little bit more Musik? |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 28, 2024 18:46:21 GMT
I don't think I can recall a forthcoming budget that has resulted in so much apprehension and negative media reports as this next day of gloom finally arrives on Wednesday. Labour government ministers have not helped with almost daily warnings and predictions. So what are we guessing (that's all we can do) is going to happen and how will it affect our daily lives? Negative headlines like in The Express "Fears Labour Budget Could Wreck Economy" This from a paper that supported the Truss/Kwarteng debacle!! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2024 18:48:37 GMT
Takes one to know one as they say The world would be a lot better place if people were just a little bit more Musik? And a lot less like Bluers👍🏻 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 28, 2024 18:51:14 GMT
The world would be a lot better place if people were just a little bit more Musik? And a lot less like Bluers👍🏻 Haha, you're exactly who I think of when referring to the electorate being dumb 😂 |
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It's a bit naive to think that that could ever be the case, but laudable to try to get there nonetheless. Even then, you'd still have people arguing that spending on [NetZero; foreign aid; migrants; benefits; insert unliked policy here] was a waste regardless, simply because they don't believe it should be spent in that cause.
