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Post by nottinghamstokie on Oct 28, 2024 7:58:37 GMT
Not that I'm panicking ( or superstitious ) but
1) Move to new stadium..... Relegated in first season
2) Fill in South Stand corner....Relegated that season
3) Move away fans...... ???
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 28, 2024 8:36:09 GMT
Not that I'm panicking ( or superstitious ) but 1) Move to new stadium..... Relegated in first season 2) Fill in South Stand corner....Relegated that season 3) Move away fans...... ??? Yes I noticed that you could be spot on. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2024 9:03:28 GMT
One thing in common, awful ownership from a certain family…..
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 9:07:43 GMT
One thing in common, awful ownership from a certain family….. The problem is that it isn't a family. It's one bloke and a highly driven former player. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 28, 2024 9:20:24 GMT
One thing in common, awful ownership from a certain family….. The problem is that it isn't a family. It's one bloke and a highly driven former player. Id say Peter will still be having a say in matters. Richard Smith (Denise’s husband) too. Lets not forget that peter Coates’ first tenure with us was shocking and resulted in us dropping to the 3rd tier twice |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 9:39:43 GMT
The problem is that it isn't a family. It's one bloke and a highly driven former player. Id say Peter will still be having a say in matters. Richard Smith (Denise’s husband) too. Lets not forget that peter Coates’ first tenure with us was shocking and resulted in us dropping to the 3rd tier twice Your second sentence rather negates the first, but I take your point. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 28, 2024 9:49:40 GMT
Id say Peter will still be having a say in matters. Richard Smith (Denise’s husband) too. Lets not forget that peter Coates’ first tenure with us was shocking and resulted in us dropping to the 3rd tier twice Your second sentence rather negates the first, but I take your point. Just th8nk John is getting it all thrown at him (justifiably to a degree) when the others are culpable aswell The rumour has it Denise has no interest in the football side but given her hubby is a major player, surely she must be in a position to have some influence? She isnt going to want it to get like it became with PC in his first tenure (fan abuse etc) |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 9:53:49 GMT
Your second sentence rather negates the first, but I take your point. Just th8nk John is getting it all thrown at him (justifiably to a degree) when the others are culpable aswell The rumour has it Denise has no interest in the football side but given her hubby is a major player, surely she must be in a position to have some influence? She isnt going to want it to get like it became with PC in his first tenure (fan abuse etc) I am getting extremely tired of looking for the positives when all we see season in season out is the same mistakes being played out, and the only defence (of the family) is that they're local and loaded. I honestly don't think they (Coates et al), realise how damaging it is to the morale of the fans, and by extension, the city, when they underperform to such a degree. In any other business, they would either go under or be fired, or given a vote of no confidence from the shareholders. Culturally speaking, the fans are the shareholders and John is not far off getting it both barrels. We don't deserve to be in the Premier League but to continue not to have even the smallest tilt at promotion since we came down is dreadful and is down to the owners, pure and simple. Let's be honest, disco lights and a fan zone don't cut it. At best they're fun, at worst, its window dressing to placate the fans. *Afterthought: And I'm sure some players, take Burger for example, what it does to their morale and by natural extension, their performances is arguably even more damaging. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 28, 2024 9:54:30 GMT
Your second sentence rather negates the first, but I take your point. Just th8nk John is getting it all thrown at him (justifiably to a degree) when the others are culpable aswell The rumour has it Denise has no interest in the football side but given her hubby is a major player, surely she must be in a position to have some influence? She isnt going to want it to get like it became with PC in his first tenure (fan abuse etc) Why would someone running a multi billion pound business give a flying fuck about a medium sized football club? If I were her my only interest would be disassociating my brand from the ground and shirt. Terrible for the brand to be linked to a failing club. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 28, 2024 10:01:16 GMT
Just th8nk John is getting it all thrown at him (justifiably to a degree) when the others are culpable aswell The rumour has it Denise has no interest in the football side but given her hubby is a major player, surely she must be in a position to have some influence? She isnt going to want it to get like it became with PC in his first tenure (fan abuse etc) Why would someone running a multi billion pound business give a flying fuck about a medium sized football club? If I were her my only interest would be disassociating my brand from the ground and shirt. Terrible for the brand to be linked to a failing club. Even if your partner, brother and father were the main players? |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 10:05:36 GMT
Why would someone running a multi billion pound business give a flying fuck about a medium sized football club? If I were her my only interest would be disassociating my brand from the ground and shirt. Terrible for the brand to be linked to a failing club. Even if your partner, brother and father were the main players? If Denise for one second thought that Stoke City was damaging the Bet 365 brand (don't get me started on sports gambling), she would drop any association like the hottest of autumnal baked spuds. Denise is gambling averse - and this is why she is wealthy to a degree that is morally questionable quite frankly - and this aversion to risk taking is why she herself doesn't own Stoke City. And she knows full well that she knows sod all about running a football club. Her brother on the other hand, and her husband perhaps, should know a damn site more than they appear to do. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 28, 2024 10:46:23 GMT
Why would someone running a multi billion pound business give a flying fuck about a medium sized football club? If I were her my only interest would be disassociating my brand from the ground and shirt. Terrible for the brand to be linked to a failing club. Even if your partner, brother and father were the main players? Even then. Her interest is making money, not losing it. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 28, 2024 10:47:38 GMT
Even if your partner, brother and father were the main players? If Denise for one second thought that Stoke City was damaging the Bet 365 brand (don't get me started on sports gambling), she would drop any association like the hottest of autumnal baked spuds. Denise is gambling averse - and this is why she is wealthy to a degree that is morally questionable quite frankly - and this aversion to risk taking is why she herself doesn't own Stoke City. And she knows full well that she knows sod all about running a football club. Her brother on the other hand, and her husband perhaps, should know a damn site more than they appear to do. We'll see when the sponsorship needs renewing. |
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 28, 2024 10:49:48 GMT
Would people be prepared to accept a 25-40% increase in their season tickets if we had new owners?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 10:51:03 GMT
Just th8nk John is getting it all thrown at him (justifiably to a degree) when the others are culpable aswell The rumour has it Denise has no interest in the football side but given her hubby is a major player, surely she must be in a position to have some influence? She isnt going to want it to get like it became with PC in his first tenure (fan abuse etc) I am getting extremely tired of looking for the positives when all we see season in season out is the same mistakes being played out, and the only defence (of the family) is that they're local and loaded. I honestly don't think they (Coates et al), realise how damaging it is to the morale of the fans, and by extension, the city, when they underperform to such a degree. In any other business, they would either go under or be fired, or given a vote of no confidence from the shareholders. Culturally speaking, the fans are the shareholders and John is not far off getting it both barrels. We don't deserve to be in the Premier League but to continue not to have even the smallest tilt at promotion since we came down is dreadful and is down to the owners, pure and simple. Let's be honest, disco lights and a fan zone don't cut it. At best they're fun, at worst, its window dressing to placate the fans.*Afterthought: And I'm sure some players, take Burger for example, what it does to their morale and by natural extension, their performances is arguably even more damaging. I don't get this? The club is light years ahead where we were off the pitch, our training facilities are excellent and we're improving them further and the fans have plenty of choice in terms of Ricardo's and the fan zone that we didn't have before. Just because we're struggling on the pitch doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve things off it....... |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 10:51:24 GMT
Would people be prepared to accept a 25-40% increase in their season tickets if we had new owners? They'd moan their arses off about it....... |
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Post by pushon on Oct 28, 2024 11:16:48 GMT
Why would someone running a multi billion pound business give a flying fuck about a medium sized football club? If I were her my only interest would be disassociating my brand from the ground and shirt. Terrible for the brand to be linked to a failing club. Even if your partner, brother and father were the main players? I'm pretty sure that it was announced this season, in fact relatively recently, that John Coates is now Sole Owner of Stoke City and all its facilities. I could be living in an illusion, but if I'm not, then neither Denise Coates nor anyone else can forcibly influence the Owners decisions. |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 12:03:07 GMT
I am getting extremely tired of looking for the positives when all we see season in season out is the same mistakes being played out, and the only defence (of the family) is that they're local and loaded. I honestly don't think they (Coates et al), realise how damaging it is to the morale of the fans, and by extension, the city, when they underperform to such a degree. In any other business, they would either go under or be fired, or given a vote of no confidence from the shareholders. Culturally speaking, the fans are the shareholders and John is not far off getting it both barrels. We don't deserve to be in the Premier League but to continue not to have even the smallest tilt at promotion since we came down is dreadful and is down to the owners, pure and simple. Let's be honest, disco lights and a fan zone don't cut it. At best they're fun, at worst, its window dressing to placate the fans.*Afterthought: And I'm sure some players, take Burger for example, what it does to their morale and by natural extension, their performances is arguably even more damaging. I don't get this? The club is light years ahead where we were off the pitch, our training facilities are excellent and we're improving them further and the fans have plenty of choice in terms of Ricardo's and the fan zone that we didn't have before. Just because we're struggling on the pitch doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve things off it....... I don't have a season ticket. I go to roughly four or five home games a season, factoring in the lives of my two teenage sons who come with me. We arrive at the ground, can't get into the Fan Zone because it was packed by roughly one o'clock and a one in one out queue, and neither of them want to stand in a packet pub (Ricardo's). I'm all for improvements off the pitch, of course I am, and I'm not knocking what they're trying to do, but it's just always so half cocked. Stoke City don't employ experts and it shows, on and off the pitch. Disclaimer: I'm just so fucked off with the way the club operates. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 12:15:20 GMT
I don't get this? The club is light years ahead where we were off the pitch, our training facilities are excellent and we're improving them further and the fans have plenty of choice in terms of Ricardo's and the fan zone that we didn't have before. Just because we're struggling on the pitch doesn't mean we shouldn't look to improve things off it....... I don't have a season ticket. I go to roughly four or five home games a season, factoring in the lives of my two teenage sons who come with me. We arrive at the ground, can't get into the Fan Zone because it was packed by roughly one o'clock and a one in one out queue, and neither of them want to stand in a packet pub (Ricardo's). I'm all for improvements off the pitch, of course I am, and I'm not knocking what they're trying to do, but it's just always so half cocked. Stoke City don't employ experts and it shows, on and off the pitch. Disclaimer: I'm just so fucked off with the way the club operates. Simon King seems to have done a really good job so far. But like always in football the most difficult positions to get right are the ones directly influenced by results on the pitch........ |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 12:15:55 GMT
Would people be prepared to accept a 25-40% increase in their season tickets if we had new owners? Milking a generally median low earning fanbase for more money at the turnstiles isn't the answer. Whether loyal fans would tolerate it let alone afford under new owners is hypothetical because apparently John Coates is going nowhere. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 28, 2024 12:18:33 GMT
Im just glad we havent changed to thin red & white stripes.....that would have been the end of it for certain
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 12:20:03 GMT
I don't have a season ticket. I go to roughly four or five home games a season, factoring in the lives of my two teenage sons who come with me. We arrive at the ground, can't get into the Fan Zone because it was packed by roughly one o'clock and a one in one out queue, and neither of them want to stand in a packet pub (Ricardo's). I'm all for improvements off the pitch, of course I am, and I'm not knocking what they're trying to do, but it's just always so half cocked. Stoke City don't employ experts and it shows, on and off the pitch. Disclaimer: I'm just so fucked off with the way the club operates. Simon King seems to have done a really good job so far. But like always in football the most difficult positions to get right are the ones directly influenced by results on the pitch........ Look, in all honesty, I don't know the ins and outs of what Simon King has managed to achieve and I wish him well. What I do know is, from experience, is that the Fan Zone offers different/better food, but if you can't get in, its back to the hot dogs for you and yours. Its hardly radical to think 'different pre-match grub for all' and make that a reality. And like I said in the previous post, giving the pub at the ground a lick of paint and a new name is hardly difficult. If I come across as a moaning twat, then I refer you to my previous answer. edit: afterword - John Coates is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING MINTED UP TO THE EYEBALLS but we wouldn't be having this discussion at all if he was as smart as his pockets are deep. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 28, 2024 12:22:15 GMT
Would people be prepared to accept a 25-40% increase in their season tickets if we had new owners? I'd accept a cut to other clubs' season ticket prices. Perhaps new owners would make fewer catastrophic appointments that require payoffs of coaches and staff? Lambo Rowett Jones MoN Neill Shuey Awful lot of payoffs. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 12:25:00 GMT
Simon King seems to have done a really good job so far. But like always in football the most difficult positions to get right are the ones directly influenced by results on the pitch........ Look, in all honesty, I don't know the ins and outs of what Simon King has managed to achieve and I wish him well. What I do know is, from experience, is that the Fan Zone offers different/better food, but if you can't get in, its back to the hot dogs for you and yours. Its hardly radical to think 'different pre-match grub for all' and make that a reality. And like I said in the previous post, giving the pub at the ground a lick of paint and a new name is hardly difficult. If I come across as a moaning twat, then I refer you to my previous answer. You don't come across as a moaning twat, but you've highlighted my initial point. Off the pitch activities whilst indirectly affected by results are a lot easier to turn around than on the pitch. We could rip everything up and start again with absolutely no guarantees of any on the pitch success. That's the dilemma............ |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 12:27:35 GMT
Look, in all honesty, I don't know the ins and outs of what Simon King has managed to achieve and I wish him well. What I do know is, from experience, is that the Fan Zone offers different/better food, but if you can't get in, its back to the hot dogs for you and yours. Its hardly radical to think 'different pre-match grub for all' and make that a reality. And like I said in the previous post, giving the pub at the ground a lick of paint and a new name is hardly difficult. If I come across as a moaning twat, then I refer you to my previous answer. You don't come across as a moaning twat, but you've highlighted my initial point. Off the pitch activities whilst indirectly affected by results are a lot easier to turn around than on the pitch. We could rip everything up and start again with absolutely no guarantees of any on the pitch success. That's the dilemma............ And we've been on the horns of that particular dilemma for well over half a decade now. You've got to admit, it's becoming rather tiring. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 12:32:17 GMT
You don't come across as a moaning twat, but you've highlighted my initial point. Off the pitch activities whilst indirectly affected by results are a lot easier to turn around than on the pitch. We could rip everything up and start again with absolutely no guarantees of any on the pitch success. That's the dilemma............ And we've been on the horns of that particular dilemma for well over half a decade now. You've got to admit, it's becoming rather tiring. It's very very frustrating, we're geared up for bigger and better things in many ways but not where it truly matters. But it's too simplistic to just blame the hierarchy for every decision they have made since relegation, many in isolation have been received well on this board. As I said previously the biggest issue was trusting Rowett with a massive war chest that he wasted, everything since then has been us reaching for a change in fortune within the restraints of FFP. And the harder we try for a new solution the more frustrating it gets when it doesn't bear fruit. I'd have kept MON, he wouldn't have taken us down in a million years in my opinion and would have pushed us forward when he was able to bring more of his own players in the season afterwards. But we'll never know....... |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 12:39:58 GMT
Would people be prepared to accept a 25-40% increase in their season tickets if we had new owners? Our season tickets aren't even that cheap now, the last time I checked we were in the top 10 in the championship for most expensive. The frozen ST prices thing is a myth that people use to bum the Coates. |
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Post by anchorman on Oct 28, 2024 12:41:14 GMT
The problem is that it isn't a family. It's one bloke and a highly driven former player. Id say Peter will still be having a say in matters. Richard Smith (Denise’s husband) too. Lets not forget that peter Coates’ first tenure with us was shocking and resulted in us dropping to the 3rd tier twice Are you sure? I don’t think Peter has much say at all nowadays. I think we’re forgetting that he’s a very old man. And when he did have a say in recent years he wanted one particular former manager to return to sort out the utter & complete shit show. I would have backed Kim all the way, others may not have. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 12:54:17 GMT
Would people be prepared to accept a 25-40% increase in their season tickets if we had new owners? Our season tickets aren't even that cheap now, the last time I checked we were in the top 10 in the championship for most expensive. The frozen ST prices thing is a myth that people use to bum the Coates. Our cheapest adult season tickets are £344 which puts us 7th cheapest in the league. For families particularly those with young kids we're pretty much the cheapest, an u-11's season ticket is £23 and u-15's £75 so for an adult with a couple of kids you can go for less than £20 a game combined..... |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 13:00:41 GMT
Our season tickets aren't even that cheap now, the last time I checked we were in the top 10 in the championship for most expensive. The frozen ST prices thing is a myth that people use to bum the Coates. Our cheapest adult season tickets are £344 which puts us 7th cheapest in the league. For families particularly those with young kids we're pretty much the cheapest, an u-11's season ticket is £23 and u-15's £75 so for an adult with a couple of kids you can go for less than £20 a game combined..... So there's 6 clubs still cheaper than us despite us freezing prices since 2008. How many of those 6 clubs have been in the Premier league since then? Also, our cheapest tickets are in the Boothen End and the South Stand, the two least populated stands in the Stadium, so make of that what you will lol. |
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