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Post by PottersBrim on Oct 27, 2024 20:12:36 GMT
There was an article I read from him today, I think on the bbc, saying he plans to implement the plan he had originally allowed to do at 8 weeks, but says he needs to do it now after 5-6. The quotes were from before yesterday by the looks of it. If we're struggling to do the "basics" he speaks of, conceding the most chances in the league , it'll be interesting to see how we do as he adds more complexity to things! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czxrgkk80vgo"So far we have seen a style of play that is very easy to identify. We did a good job in the first five weeks in order to try to put that in place that quick," Pelach told BBC Radio Stoke. "We had a reflection meeting and they (the team) are very clear in what we want to do. Now is the time for the next step with the coaches, which I planned before I came. "I wanted to do this after eight weeks but I think I will start to do this after six weeks. There are things that we can do from the tactical point of view that will help us from here." "I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. "In terms of methodology and principles of a style of play, of course the whole idea of how we want to play the game was made for them. "Now we are five weeks into it, it is time to go more into details and maybe follow the plan but go quicker into another piece (of it) without losing the perspective of the basics - until May I think we have to be very focused on the basics and the general approach to the game." "It's a process, not something we can do in three days, because it's a young squad that we have," he said. "But they are listening and learning a lot, how to prevent, for example, the goal we conceded against Bristol (City) from a quick corner - we could have avoided it very easily. If you have an older squad this doesn't happen. "I don't say that I want an older squad, but if you compare this to Norwich's squad, players manage this by themselves, they have played enough games. This is not the case here and we will lose some points along the way." Well, he’s nailed the ‘we will lose some points along the way’ bit. |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 27, 2024 20:15:44 GMT
There was an article I read from him today, I think on the bbc, saying he plans to implement the plan he had originally allowed to do at 8 weeks, but says he needs to do it now after 5-6. and , his first 5 -6 haven’t worked so he needs still work on them ,but that what you get employing a manager with no experience |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 27, 2024 20:17:41 GMT
There was an article I read from him today, I think on the bbc, saying he plans to implement the plan he had originally allowed to do at 8 weeks, but says he needs to do it now after 5-6. The quotes were from before yesterday by the looks of it. If we're struggling to do the "basics" he speaks of, conceding the most chances in the league , it'll be interesting to see how we do as he adds more complexity to things! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czxrgkk80vgo"So far we have seen a style of play that is very easy to identify. We did a good job in the first five weeks in order to try to put that in place that quick," Pelach told BBC Radio Stoke. "We had a reflection meeting and they (the team) are very clear in what we want to do. Now is the time for the next step with the coaches, which I planned before I came. "I wanted to do this after eight weeks but I think I will start to do this after six weeks. There are things that we can do from the tactical point of view that will help us from here." "I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. "In terms of methodology and principles of a style of play, of course the whole idea of how we want to play the game was made for them. "Now we are five weeks into it, it is time to go more into details and maybe follow the plan but go quicker into another piece (of it) without losing the perspective of the basics - until May I think we have to be very focused on the basics and the general approach to the game." "It's a process, not something we can do in three days, because it's a young squad that we have," he said. "But they are listening and learning a lot, how to prevent, for example, the goal we conceded against Bristol (City) from a quick corner - we could have avoided it very easily. If you have an older squad this doesn't happen. "I don't say that I want an older squad, but if you compare this to Norwich's squad, players manage this by themselves, they have played enough games. This is not the case here and we will lose some points along the way." sorry that’s bullshit |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 27, 2024 20:33:24 GMT
There was an article I read from him today, I think on the bbc, saying he plans to implement the plan he had originally allowed to do at 8 weeks, but says he needs to do it now after 5-6. The quotes were from before yesterday by the looks of it. If we're struggling to do the "basics" he speaks of, conceding the most chances in the league , it'll be interesting to see how we do as he adds more complexity to things! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czxrgkk80vgo"So far we have seen a style of play that is very easy to identify. We did a good job in the first five weeks in order to try to put that in place that quick," Pelach told BBC Radio Stoke. "We had a reflection meeting and they (the team) are very clear in what we want to do. Now is the time for the next step with the coaches, which I planned before I came. "I wanted to do this after eight weeks but I think I will start to do this after six weeks. There are things that we can do from the tactical point of view that will help us from here." "I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. "In terms of methodology and principles of a style of play, of course the whole idea of how we want to play the game was made for them. "Now we are five weeks into it, it is time to go more into details and maybe follow the plan but go quicker into another piece (of it) without losing the perspective of the basics - until May I think we have to be very focused on the basics and the general approach to the game." "It's a process, not something we can do in three days, because it's a young squad that we have," he said. "But they are listening and learning a lot, how to prevent, for example, the goal we conceded against Bristol (City) from a quick corner - we could have avoided it very easily. If you have an older squad this doesn't happen. "I don't say that I want an older squad, but if you compare this to Norwich's squad, players manage this by themselves, they have played enough games. This is not the case here and we will lose some points along the way." That’s just completely and utter waffle isn’t it? What the hell is it supposed to mean? |
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Post by thestokielad on Oct 27, 2024 20:48:22 GMT
Everything is worrying. I can't see us ever spending any decent money on the defence where it is needed. 4-2-3-1 formation is a must unless we're against a lesser side, and bocat and junior should be kept well away from the line up
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 27, 2024 22:03:26 GMT
In that case you made your point with a bad example. I don’t agree. Any team in our position should be competing with a 20 year old that was on loan at the vale in league 1 last season. Hes not Pirlo. (Or Beckham for that matter) The fact is he ran the show with nobody on our side even coming close. It’s shows exactly how far off we are yet people think it’s tactics. It’s not, it’s the shit players we have managed to collect and we are all deluding ourselves in thinking anything else. The fact we are pinning our hopes on a Celtic reject that was on loan to Fleetwood and has a back fracture is laughable in itself. He had better be really, really good! For all you know he could be better than Pirolito and Beckham combined. Because we’re a poor side and/or have a weak midfield doesn’t make Arblaster a bad player. Nearly all great players (I’m not saying Arblaster is ‘great’ by the way) have loan spells with lower league clubs. I’ve lost count of the number of promising players we, Stoke City, have out on loan. There’s just no correlation between Arblaster playing for Port Vale last season and the fact he was the best midfielder on show Saturday. Best to let it go now, eh? |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2024 22:13:46 GMT
When you're dealt a terrible hand it doesn't really matter that much what your tactics are. This is such an unbalanced weak untalented squad it's beyond belief. Until the recruitment is sorted then we will be 16th at best and League 1 if the wheels fall off. Schumacher had this same set of players performing better on virtually every single metric. The right tactics are vital. (And I don't disagree at all that the squad is unbalanced and weak.) Except for Hoever, Cundle and McNally.(re "same set of players") |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 27, 2024 22:17:34 GMT
Schumacher had this same set of players performing better on virtually every single metric. The right tactics are vital. (And I don't disagree at all that the squad is unbalanced and weak.) Except for Hoever, Cundle and McNally.(re "same set of players") Hooever , Laurent , Campbell and Cundall were the key components of last years recovery to let them all slip away was very very careless at best |
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Post by Gods on Oct 27, 2024 22:28:06 GMT
Except for Hoever, Cundle and McNally.(re "same set of players") Hooever , Laurent , Campbell and Cundall were the key components of last years recovery to let them all slip away was very very careless at best We certainly have an inferior squad to last season. We're over a quarter of the way through the season and the sooner we accept we are in the thick of a relegation battle the better our chances of survival. |
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Post by onepara on Oct 27, 2024 22:31:46 GMT
I've said elsewhere on this M.B. that this bloke that we've got is a book merchant. He deals in may-be's. He says that he came here with a plan. So he expects these players to fit his plan, whether they are the right people, or not. He hasn't looked at who he's got, & devised a plan to suit them. So it'll never work, will it? He's playing a system that's in his head & expecting it to work. He says that he's now going to advance to week 8, so he's now going to open his other box of tricks. He thinks that he's working with a kit of parts that he can tweak to suit his plan. I'll give him about 3 more weeks, then it will become obvious to those above that he hasn't got the tools in his box to do the job. In other words, he's out of his depth. He's another one like Schumacher, that we can't afford to give the time to to become any good to us. We need a Mowbray. Someone who knows, & understands, what they need to do with the players that they have. I only hope that this happens sooner rather than later, as time isn't on our side.
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Post by skip on Oct 27, 2024 23:58:51 GMT
"I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. If he said this, and it appears that he did, it reveals his naivety writ large. You don't implement a plan without first seeing what is at your disposal to make the plan successful. You have to go through the diagnostic stage first. Without observing, his enthusiasm/naivety/arrogance (take your pick) to instigate a plan regardless of his willingness to observe, has led to one win in eight. And if Walters didn't expect him to observe before implementing a plan, that shows him to be just as astonishingly naive/arrogant also. What a total pickle of a fuck up we are in. And it's all the doing of Coates and Walters. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 28, 2024 8:12:13 GMT
Hooever , Laurent , Campbell and Cundall were the key components of last years recovery to let them all slip away was very very careless at best We certainly have an inferior squad to last season. We're over a quarter of the way through the season and the sooner we accept we are in the thick of a relegation battle the better our chances of survival. Spot on |
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Post by mamathestriker on Oct 28, 2024 9:14:16 GMT
There was an article I read from him today, I think on the bbc, saying he plans to implement the plan he had originally allowed to do at 8 weeks, but says he needs to do it now after 5-6. The quotes were from before yesterday by the looks of it. If we're struggling to do the "basics" he speaks of, conceding the most chances in the league , it'll be interesting to see how we do as he adds more complexity to things! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czxrgkk80vgo"So far we have seen a style of play that is very easy to identify. We did a good job in the first five weeks in order to try to put that in place that quick," Pelach told BBC Radio Stoke. "We had a reflection meeting and they (the team) are very clear in what we want to do. Now is the time for the next step with the coaches, which I planned before I came. "I wanted to do this after eight weeks but I think I will start to do this after six weeks. There are things that we can do from the tactical point of view that will help us from here." "I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. "In terms of methodology and principles of a style of play, of course the whole idea of how we want to play the game was made for them. "Now we are five weeks into it, it is time to go more into details and maybe follow the plan but go quicker into another piece (of it) without losing the perspective of the basics - until May I think we have to be very focused on the basics and the general approach to the game." "It's a process, not something we can do in three days, because it's a young squad that we have," he said. "But they are listening and learning a lot, how to prevent, for example, the goal we conceded against Bristol (City) from a quick corner - we could have avoided it very easily. If you have an older squad this doesn't happen. "I don't say that I want an older squad, but if you compare this to Norwich's squad, players manage this by themselves, they have played enough games. This is not the case here and we will lose some points along the way." Reading those quotes the alarm bells have just got even louder. My gut feeling tells me this won't end well, I'd pull the panic cord this morning to replace him. |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 10:12:27 GMT
I'd pull the panic cord this morning to replace him. When I was a nipper, my nan and grandad moved into a bungalow. I pulled the red cord in the kitchen, wondering what it did. Ten minutes later, a voice through the letterbox "is everything is ok?" |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 10:21:43 GMT
I've said elsewhere on this M.B. that this bloke that we've got is a book merchant. He deals in may-be's. He says that he came here with a plan. So he expects these players to fit his plan, whether they are the right people, or not. He hasn't looked at who he's got, & devised a plan to suit them. So it'll never work, will it? He's playing a system that's in his head & expecting it to work. He says that he's now going to advance to week 8, so he's now going to open his other box of tricks. He thinks that he's working with a kit of parts that he can tweak to suit his plan. I'll give him about 3 more weeks, then it will become obvious to those above that he hasn't got the tools in his box to do the job. In other words, he's out of his depth. He's another one like Schumacher, that we can't afford to give the time to to become any good to us. We need a Mowbray. Someone who knows, & understands, what they need to do with the players that they have. I only hope that this happens sooner rather than later, as time isn't on our side. Do you think he had no previous knowledge of our squad and the players in it? People will just twist any words to suit............. |
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Post by richardparker on Oct 28, 2024 10:28:59 GMT
Something I noticed 2nd half was that as lone central striker (having moved there once Cannon went off), Koumas was looking for a ball over the top to run on to. It rarely, if ever came until the last 10 minutes of the match, by which time he'd run his legs off anyway.
That points to a lack of understanding between players, as the midfield and defence were always looking to play the ball into feet, requiring Koumas to drop short for a pass with back to goal.
Which one is it to be?
This is basic and needs ironing out on the training ground, ... and spotting and sorting out during a match.
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 28, 2024 10:39:18 GMT
"But they are listening and learning a lot, how to prevent, for example, the goal we conceded against Bristol (City) from a quick corner - we could have avoided it very easily. If you have an older squad this doesn't happen.
"I don't say that I want an older squad, but if you compare this to Norwich's squad, players manage this by themselves, they have played enough games. This is not the case here and we will lose some points along the way."
We could see this all night but the players, in particular, Manhoef, seemed to be asleep.
Even kids at school would have spotted their short corner routine and done something about it. How dumb must some of our players be?
That said, Pelach should have hooked a couple on at half time Tuesday night...but he didn't. Similarly, going into Saturday with just2 in midfield was suicide.
I think the management, coaches and players should ALL take some responsibility for where we currently sit
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 28, 2024 10:43:04 GMT
Whilst I 100% agree that playing a 2 man midfield currently in bonkers, we've played in there with 3 for a good while and been dominated.
I think it's more personnel than formation. We've got no bollocks.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 28, 2024 10:43:31 GMT
"But they are listening and learning a lot, how to prevent, for example, the goal we conceded against Bristol (City) from a quick corner - we could have avoided it very easily. If you have an older squad this doesn't happen.
"I don't say that I want an older squad, but if you compare this to Norwich's squad, players manage this by themselves, they have played enough games. This is not the case here and we will lose some points along the way."We could see this all night but the players, in particular, Manhoef, seemed to be asleep. Even kids at school would have spotted their short corner routine and done something about it. How dumb must some of our players be? That said, Pelach should have hooked a couple on at half time Tuesday night...but he didn't. Similarly, going into Saturday with just2 in midfield was suicide. I think the management, coaches and players should ALL take some responsibility for where we currently sit You'd think we'd have covered defending corners in training, wouldn't you? When Bristol City kept taking them short, literally none of our players reacted like they'd ever seen a team do that before. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 28, 2024 10:46:03 GMT
I didn't watch yesterday's game, but as soon as I saw the line-up I predicted what would happen. A 2 man midfield would be walked through again, and 3 central defenders would be backing off to their own penalty box, meaning most of the game would be played in the area between the halfway line and our penalty area. It would only be a matter of time before Sheff Utd scored. With 1 man up-front, and that man being Tom Cannon, we'd have no out ball, so that would only result in the ball coming back into our half as soon as we cleared it. I haven't checked the stats, but I'm guessing that's how it played out? Anyway, the stats from previous games don't lie. We've been dominated by every side we've played against other than Portsmouth. That was the game when we had Gallagher fit: the target man needed to make a 4-4-2 work. Having someone who the ball sticks to up front means our defenders, who are pretty shit on the ball, can afford to go long, bypass the midfield and move the game into the opponent's half. Ideally though, we need 2 extremely fit centre-mids (not got them) and 2 wingers who can get up and down the line getting crosses in (not got them), so to be honest I don't know why we persisted with this for as long as we did. We just haven't got the players for it. So what should we do instead? Ideally, I'd play either 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-3, but again we need a forward who the ball sticks to. The defence can't be trusted to pass the ball out because they're abysmal. Going more direct is the safer option. Gallagher leading the line with a lively 2 or 3 behind him (Manhoef, Junho, Koumas) picking up the pieces would, in my opinion, turn us from the dross we're witnessing now to a top-half side. Without Gallagher though, we need to revert to 4-3-3 immediately. If Burger plays CDM we'll have someone within range of the defence who can pick the ball up from them fairly safely and transition the ball from defence to attack. We should play Junho and Manhoef as inside forwards cutting in from either wing and try to get the full-backs overlapping a bit to give us width (Easier on the left than the right if we're having to play Wilmot at RB). It's not ideal, but in Gallagher's absence, Koumas should lead the line. He's hardworking, stronger than Cannon, and has the pace to get in behind. We're not going to trouble the top of the table, but this, in my opinion, would see us staying out of trouble this year. If the manager doesn't sort it out within the next couple of games, then he has to go before he causes any more damage. Spot on, sadly I did watch it, pathetic is too kind a word to describe it |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 28, 2024 10:46:18 GMT
"But they are listening and learning a lot, how to prevent, for example, the goal we conceded against Bristol (City) from a quick corner - we could have avoided it very easily. If you have an older squad this doesn't happen.
"I don't say that I want an older squad, but if you compare this to Norwich's squad, players manage this by themselves, they have played enough games. This is not the case here and we will lose some points along the way."We could see this all night but the players, in particular, Manhoef, seemed to be asleep. Even kids at school would have spotted their short corner routine and done something about it. How dumb must some of our players be? That said, Pelach should have hooked a couple on at half time Tuesday night...but he didn't. Similarly, going into Saturday with just2 in midfield was suicide. I think the management, coaches and players should ALL take some responsibility for where we currently sit You'd think we'd have covered defending corners in training, wouldn't you? When Bristol City kept taking them short, literally none of our players reacted like they'd ever seen a team do that before. We've been conceding too many goals from set pieces for years now, it's certainly not a new problem...... |
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Post by noustie on Oct 28, 2024 10:53:22 GMT
My mind boggles.
We haven't got a full back that can defend better than they are going forward
We haven't a big ugly fucking centre half that scares anyone
We haven't wingers who can go on the outside to cross a ball in and can go up n down the pitch all day
We haven't a fucking ugly center midfielder
We haven't a fucking ugly center midfielder that can pass it about a bit to play next to him
We haven't a mobile lump up top who can string more than a couple of games together
We maybe have a poacher to play off of a lump.
I know - lets play 4-4-2!
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Post by jokker on Oct 28, 2024 11:01:30 GMT
Until the recruitment is sorted . Haven't I heard this sentence at least 50 times each week for the past six years? Maybe the sentence needed should be 'until we look for continuity in squad selection, we will never be able to field a settled side.' We have to stop buying 10+ players every window, and look for the players that we have to eveolve and grow together. We had started fielding young players under the previous management but now they have returned to bit parts from the bench or not at all. If they don't get the chances to play successive near full matches, they will just follow the path of previous young talents, which is out of Stoke. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 28, 2024 11:06:46 GMT
"I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. If he said this, and it appears that he did, it reveals his naivety writ large. You don't implement a plan without first seeing what is at your disposal to make the plan successful. You have to go through the diagnostic stage first. Without observing, his enthusiasm/naivety/arrogance (take your pick) to instigate a plan regardless of his willingness to observe, has led to one win in eight. And if Walters didn't expect him to observe before implementing a plan, that shows him to be just as astonishingly naive/arrogant also. What a total pickle of a fuck up we are in. And it's all the doing of Coates and Walters. The full quote from the article is: "I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. "In terms of methodology and principles of a style of play, of course the whole idea of how we want to play the game was made for them. So he'd assessed the squad, worked out a style of play and put together a plan on how to get them playing that way before he came and hit the ground running. It's amazing what you can do with a bit of selective editing. He clearly knows what he wants to do and if he is accelerating the execution of his plan that means he thinks the players are capable of taking on his ideas. Which sounds positive to me. He isn't going to change direction now and the last thing he's going to do is take tactical advice from a football message board. Once he loses faith in what he's trying to do he is toast. He has no preseason. In terms of bedding in our style of play we are months behind every other team in the league. It's going to take until Xmas at least before we've caught up and we aren't going to see whether the player's can play Pelach's way until into the new year. |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Oct 28, 2024 11:39:19 GMT
One of the things I think would’ve helped Schumacher was having an experienced head in his coaching team or around the building to give a reasoned and objective perspective. TP was as stubborn as they would come, but he was open to this kind of input whether it was from Gerry Francis, Peter Reid, etc.
The last and current coaching team were both in their own rights shaped in the head coaches mould.
My concern is Pelach is missing this kind of mentor figure to offer some sage advice. He may have his plans, but in any walk of life if you fall in love with a plan and fail to adapt to what the reality presents itself as, you’re losing sight of the whole point of it all. The worry is that there is no diversity of thought to challenge and anticipate these kind of mistakes coming. It all feels a bit too clever for its own good.
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Post by mcw on Oct 28, 2024 11:49:44 GMT
It comes down to physicality, confidence and experience in the right places. We have nobody in defence, midfield or attack that is a leader and sets the tone of imposing yourself in each zone on the opposition. We may be able to do it for a frantic 10 min spell where we pile forwards and try to overwhelm the opposition, but that can backfire quite spectacularly against teams that are effective at absorbing and countering as we are short of numbers.
Once the game “settles” down it becomes increasingly apparent to anyone that plays us that we are petrified of trying to impose ourselves. As a collective, I think this team quickly accepts they are second best when it comes to physicality. With that acceptance comes a reluctance to press, harry or impose themselves. As a result we start to drop back, content to make the opposition beat our shape in the vain hope that this will stop them.
We desperately need more bite, physicality and leadership through the spine of the team. If four or five players are showing these qualities across these zones then it breeds confidence in the others to follow suit.
Playing with a front five (Cannon/Koumas/Bae/Manhoeff/Moran as advanced midfielder) is bloody suicide. They can’t/wont stop the opposition getting out easily and then we are constantly in a 6 or 7 on 5 scenario on multiple occasions.
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 11:53:24 GMT
If he said this, and it appears that he did, it reveals his naivety writ large. You don't implement a plan without first seeing what is at your disposal to make the plan successful. You have to go through the diagnostic stage first. Without observing, his enthusiasm/naivety/arrogance (take your pick) to instigate a plan regardless of his willingness to observe, has led to one win in eight. And if Walters didn't expect him to observe before implementing a plan, that shows him to be just as astonishingly naive/arrogant also. What a total pickle of a fuck up we are in. And it's all the doing of Coates and Walters. The full quote from the article is: "I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. "In terms of methodology and principles of a style of play, of course the whole idea of how we want to play the game was made for them. So he'd assessed the squad, worked out a style of play and put together a plan on how to get them playing that way before he came and hit the ground running. It's amazing what you can do with a bit of selective editing. He clearly knows what he wants to do and if he is accelerating the execution of his plan that means he thinks the players are capable of taking on his ideas. Which sounds positive to me. He isn't going to change direction now and the last thing he's going to do is take tactical advice from a football message board. Once he loses faith in what he's trying to do he is toast. He has no preseason. In terms of bedding in our style of play we are months behind every other team in the league. It's going to take until Xmas at least before we've caught up and we aren't going to see whether the player's can play Pelach's way until into the new year. I didn't edit the quote. And anyway, a coach/manager (interchangeable in this instance), has a plan, from what, watching a few games? How that trumps evidence of working with the players I'll never know. Every job I've had, I've arrived with plans (read: best and worst scenarios and crucially most likely scenario and also being able to anticipate and respond to unforeseen problems) but you only enact a plan when you see what you're working with. FWIW I've never wanted a coach/manager to succeed more than I do Pelach right now, but to 'arrive with a plan' is either an understandable overstatement lacking in nuance or incredibly naive. |
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Post by noustie on Oct 28, 2024 12:03:43 GMT
One of the things I think would’ve helped Schumacher was having an experienced head in his coaching team or around the building to give a reasoned and objective perspective. TP was as stubborn as they would come, but he was open to this kind of input whether it was from Gerry Francis, Peter Reid, etc. The last and current coaching team were both in their own rights shaped in the head coaches mould. My concern is Pelach is missing this kind of mentor figure to offer some sage advice. He may have his plans, but in any walk of life if you fall in love with a plan and fail to adapt to what the reality presents itself as, you’re losing sight of the whole point of it all. The worry is that there is no diversity of thought to challenge and anticipate these kind of mistakes coming. It all feels a bit too clever for its own good. I used to absolutely thrash Aberdeen Team of the Decade on tape as a kid and Teddy Scott tells a story of Alex Ferguson going to the chairman early doors for money for a player he absolutely needed. Basically told him there was no money, you've 36 professional players, go coach them and surely you can get a team out of that. I know Fergie is a special case but it's not rocket science really is it? Changing the system with our rabble whilst counting down the days for the January transfer window to try for players to fit it better seems pretty suicidal stuff to me like. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 28, 2024 12:06:38 GMT
The full quote from the article is: "I came here with a plan, I didn't come here to observe and see and then create a plan," said Pelach. "In terms of methodology and principles of a style of play, of course the whole idea of how we want to play the game was made for them. So he'd assessed the squad, worked out a style of play and put together a plan on how to get them playing that way before he came and hit the ground running. It's amazing what you can do with a bit of selective editing. He clearly knows what he wants to do and if he is accelerating the execution of his plan that means he thinks the players are capable of taking on his ideas. Which sounds positive to me. He isn't going to change direction now and the last thing he's going to do is take tactical advice from a football message board. Once he loses faith in what he's trying to do he is toast. He has no preseason. In terms of bedding in our style of play we are months behind every other team in the league. It's going to take until Xmas at least before we've caught up and we aren't going to see whether the player's can play Pelach's way until into the new year. I didn't edit the quote. And anyway, a coach/manager (interchangeable in this instance), has a plan, from what, watching a few games? How that trumps evidence of working with the players I'll never know. Every job I've had, I've arrived with plans (read: best and worst scenarios and crucially most likely scenario and also being able to anticipate and respond to unforeseen problems) but you only enact a plan when you see what you're working with. FWIW I've never wanted a coach/manager to succeed more than I do Pelach right now, but to 'arrive with a plan' is either an understandable overstatement lacking in nuance or incredibly naive. The poster you quoted only gave half the quote and you took it at face value without looking at what he actually said. If Pelach had rocked up without some sort of a plan and spent half a dozen games working out what he was going to do he would have got criticised for not having a plan. As it is he's bring criticised for putting in the ground work and having a plan. There's also a world of difference between having a plan and sticking rigidly to it, tearing it up at the first opportunity and adapting the plan according to circumstances. People on here are saying he should tear up the plan. Pelach is saying the players are adapting well and he's actually bringing things forward. He's looking at the long game, not just panicking because we aren't all of a sudden winning every game. |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 12:12:41 GMT
I didn't edit the quote. And anyway, a coach/manager (interchangeable in this instance), has a plan, from what, watching a few games? How that trumps evidence of working with the players I'll never know. Every job I've had, I've arrived with plans (read: best and worst scenarios and crucially most likely scenario and also being able to anticipate and respond to unforeseen problems) but you only enact a plan when you see what you're working with. FWIW I've never wanted a coach/manager to succeed more than I do Pelach right now, but to 'arrive with a plan' is either an understandable overstatement lacking in nuance or incredibly naive. The poster you quoted only gave half the quote and you took it at face value without looking at what he actually said. If Pelach had rocked up without some sort of a plan and spent half a dozen games working out what he was going to do he would have got criticised for not having a plan. As it is he's bring criticised for putting in the ground work and having a plan. There's also a world of difference between having a plan and sticking rigidly to it, tearing it up at the first opportunity and adapting the plan according to circumstances. People on here are saying he should tear up the plan. Pelach is saying the players are adapting well and he's actually bringing things forward. He's looking at the long game, not just panicking because we aren't all of a sudden winning every game. If Pelach's plan has inbuilt predictive flexibility then that's all good. Seriously, I want him to (eventually) turn us into play off contenders but we appear so far from that at the moment. I'm not hating on him, I want him and his plan to work, without question or hesitation. I hope to goodness he is looking at the long game, but in the here and now, we have won one from eight, and we are having to endure an eye watering number of shots raining down on our keeper, who I suspect had occasionally quieter games at Rotherham. |
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