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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 30, 2024 10:12:02 GMT
Seko has to start surely?. Was he better than Sol? I’m not sure he was. Up until Canon’s goal he looked like a prize winner. He grew in confidence thereafter and had a much better last half hour I do think he was better than Sol more positive in possession but i doubt he will start he seems wedded to a one man midfiled engine to get Million , Koumas , Juno , Moran in the team so thats going to be Burgur at the minute personally id sacrifice Juno but i doubt he will espaiclly as he was totally rested |
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Post by femark on Oct 30, 2024 10:18:48 GMT
Seko has to start surely?. Was he better than Sol? I’m not sure he was. Up until Canon’s goal he looked like a prize winner. He grew in confidence thereafter and had a much better last half hour That's a ridiculous assessment of his game last night. |
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Post by frasier37 on Oct 30, 2024 10:23:28 GMT
Seko has to start surely?. He did well but, surely playing him for pretty much the duration means he'll probably not be starting saturday? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2024 10:25:39 GMT
Was he better than Sol? I’m not sure he was. Up until Canon’s goal he looked like a prize winner. He grew in confidence thereafter and had a much better last half hour I do think he was better than Sol more positive in possession but i doubt he will start he seems wedded to a one man midfiled engine to get Million , Koumas , Juno , Moran in the team so thats going to be Burgur at the minute personally id sacrifice Juno but i doubt he will espaiclly as he was totally rested He needs to make that tough call because at the minute, he can only play 3 of Koumas, Milly, Junho and Canon. One of them has to miss out and impact the game from the bench, like Junho did on Saturday. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2024 10:29:00 GMT
Was he better than Sol? I’m not sure he was. Up until Canon’s goal he looked like a prize winner. He grew in confidence thereafter and had a much better last half hour That's a ridiculous assessment of his game last night. Why is it? Genuinely if I hadn't seen the team sheet, I wouldn't have known that he was playing until the 2nd half. He also ducked out of the way of the shot that led to their winning goal which will never, ever, go down well with me whoever the player is. It's totally unacceptable, particularly so late in the game when it should have been bodies on the line whatever the cost. I've just commented elsewhere that we have to be careful at the moment not to be overly negative about absolutely anything but by the same token there is a danger that we cling to positives that simply aren't there. Seko had a much better second half but the overreaction to his performance is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. He was OK. No more, no less. There were far better performances than his on the night. |
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Post by premieraj on Oct 30, 2024 10:35:54 GMT
I do think he was better than Sol more positive in possession but i doubt he will start he seems wedded to a one man midfiled engine to get Million , Koumas , Juno , Moran in the team so thats going to be Burgur at the minute personally id sacrifice Juno but i doubt he will espaiclly as he was totally rested He needs to make that tough call because at the minute, he can only play 3 of Koumas, Milly, Junho and Canon. One of them has to miss out and impact the game from the bench, like Junho did on Saturday. With what he has at the moment this is the debate isn’t it as they all cant start as midfield can be overrun? For me I’d do Viktor Wilmott Phillips Rose Stevens Burger Moran Seko Koumas Canon Million And bring Junho on later…or switch him and Koumas the other way? Burger to hold and Moran and seko up an back to support or defend. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 30, 2024 10:43:56 GMT
Fans are absolutely deluded if they think the captain/leader won’t play on Saturday
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2024 10:44:50 GMT
He needs to make that tough call because at the minute, he can only play 3 of Koumas, Milly, Junho and Canon. One of them has to miss out and impact the game from the bench, like Junho did on Saturday. With what he has at the moment this is the debate isn’t it as they all cant start as midfield can be overrun? For me I’d do Viktor Wilmott Phillips Rose Stevens Burger Moran Seko Koumas Canon Million And bring Junho on later…or switch him and Koumas the other way? Burger to hold and Moran and seko up an back to support or defend. Hard to argue against any of that but I'd go Sol over Seko and if we wanted to be even more solid, we could go Thompson (I can't believe I'm saying that) and Burger which then, perhaps, enables us to play Junho, Koumas and Milly with Canon up front. Koumas in behind Canon in the mama role!  There isn't much difference between Rose and Gibson in my opinion so little chance that Gibson doesn't start, despite his error last week. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 30, 2024 10:46:55 GMT
That's a ridiculous assessment of his game last night. Why is it? Genuinely if I hadn't seen the team sheet, I wouldn't have known that he was playing until the 2nd half. He also ducked out of the way of the shot that led to their winning goal which will never, ever, go down well with me whoever the player is. It's totally unacceptable, particularly so late in the game when it should have been bodies on the line whatever the cost. I've just commented elsewhere that we have to be careful at the moment not to be overly negative about absolutely anything but by the same token there is a danger that we cling to positives that simply aren't there. Seko had a much better second half but the overreaction to his performance is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. He was OK. No more, no less. There were far better performances than his on the night. That's a bit tough on Seko I think Dave, given it was virtually a debut. No-one played well in the first half and Sol was as anonymous as anyone. Seko picked up the tempo of the game and was a massively positive feature of the game last night. I'm not sure who you're suggesting was better on the night, although Koumas and Million were good. However, you criticise Seko for turning sideways for the third goal but ignore what Koumas did, or actually didn't do. He's a touch lightweight but much better than Thompson based on last night. I'd have no trouble with him playing in a three man midfield |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 30, 2024 10:48:56 GMT
Two in midfield really needs to stop. Junho can come on in the second half but Koumas, Million and Cannon easily our best front three.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2024 10:54:38 GMT
Why is it? Genuinely if I hadn't seen the team sheet, I wouldn't have known that he was playing until the 2nd half. He also ducked out of the way of the shot that led to their winning goal which will never, ever, go down well with me whoever the player is. It's totally unacceptable, particularly so late in the game when it should have been bodies on the line whatever the cost. I've just commented elsewhere that we have to be careful at the moment not to be overly negative about absolutely anything but by the same token there is a danger that we cling to positives that simply aren't there. Seko had a much better second half but the overreaction to his performance is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. He was OK. No more, no less. There were far better performances than his on the night. That's a bit tough on Seko I think Dave, given it was virtually a debut. No-one played well in the first half and Sol was as anonymous as anyone. Seko picked up the tempo of the game and was a massively positive feature of the game last night. I'm not sure who you're suggesting was better on the night, although Koumas and Million were good. However, you criticise Seko for turning sideways for the third goal but ignore what Koumas did, or actually didn't do. He's a touch lightweight but much better than Thompson based on last night. I'd have no trouble with him playing in a three man midfield You see, I thought Sol was really intelligent in the first half and was the main reason we weren't totally overrun. He was really intelligent with the gaps he plugged and he got close to the game so it couldn't pass him by. I didn't think that was the case with the other 2 alongside. Koumas was great when he came on. Milly was a threat. Junior Shambles had arguably his best game to date. Phillips was excellent bar his part in their opening goal and I thought Dixon reacted to his mistake brilliantly for a young lad. Controversially, I also thought Bocat was really good. I'd put all of those ahead of Seko who looked much more promising 2nd half until he ducked out of the way of their winning goal. I'm not ignoring what Koumas did either. He needed to bust his arse to get some pressure on Bree. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 30, 2024 10:56:29 GMT
That's a bit tough on Seko I think Dave, given it was virtually a debut. No-one played well in the first half and Sol was as anonymous as anyone. Seko picked up the tempo of the game and was a massively positive feature of the game last night. I'm not sure who you're suggesting was better on the night, although Koumas and Million were good. However, you criticise Seko for turning sideways for the third goal but ignore what Koumas did, or actually didn't do. He's a touch lightweight but much better than Thompson based on last night. I'd have no trouble with him playing in a three man midfield You see, I thought Sol was really intelligent in the first half and was the main reason we weren't totally overrun. He was really intelligent with the gaps he plugged and he got close to the game so it couldn't pass him by. I didn't think that was the case with the other 2 alongside. Koumas was great when he came on. Milly was a threat. Junior Shambles had arguably his best game to date. Phillips was excellent bar his part in their opening goal and I thought Dixon reacted to his mistake brilliantly for a young lad. Controversially, I also thought Bocat was really good. I'd put all of those ahead of Seko who looked much more promising 2nd half until he ducked out of the way of their winning goal. I'm not ignoring what Koumas did either. He needed to bust his arse to get some pressure on Bree. Bocat was really good😂😂 |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2024 10:58:29 GMT
You see, I thought Sol was really intelligent in the first half and was the main reason we weren't totally overrun. He was really intelligent with the gaps he plugged and he got close to the game so it couldn't pass him by. I didn't think that was the case with the other 2 alongside. Koumas was great when he came on. Milly was a threat. Junior Shambles had arguably his best game to date. Phillips was excellent bar his part in their opening goal and I thought Dixon reacted to his mistake brilliantly for a young lad. Controversially, I also thought Bocat was really good. I'd put all of those ahead of Seko who looked much more promising 2nd half until he ducked out of the way of their winning goal. I'm not ignoring what Koumas did either. He needed to bust his arse to get some pressure on Bree. Bocat was really good😂😂 He was. He had a really tough role looking after their wide men and helping Dixon and I thought, in the main, he did it really well. I don't get the hate for him at all, which is why I said "controversially I thought Bocat was really good". I can only recall thinking "wtf are you doing there" once with him all night. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 30, 2024 11:01:18 GMT
He was. He had a really tough role looking after their wide men and helping Dixon and I thought, in the main, he did it really well. I don't get the hate for him at all, which is why I said "controversially I thought Bocat was really good". I can only recall thinking "wtf are you doing there" once with him all night. He has no positional sense whatsoever and was caught out by Armstrong first half on a couple of occasions due to that. He and Junior never ever bust a gut to get back either |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 30, 2024 11:04:23 GMT
I can't agree about Bocat at all Dave. Junior showed up better in the second half but neither out-performed Seko.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2024 11:11:58 GMT
He was. He had a really tough role looking after their wide men and helping Dixon and I thought, in the main, he did it really well. I don't get the hate for him at all, which is why I said "controversially I thought Bocat was really good". I can only recall thinking "wtf are you doing there" once with him all night. He has no positional sense whatsoever and was caught out by Armstrong first half on a couple of occasions due to that. He and Junior never ever bust a gut to get back either We have never watched the same game so I can live with our opinions being different. The Armstrong chance at the near post that Bonham saved was the only time I thought "Bocat, WTF are you doing". He left the defensive position too early, before we had secured good possession of the ball and left us exposed. That aside, he did well. Playing wingback in a team that struggles to keep hold of the ball is second only in terms of difficulty to playing as the lone striker in the same team. It's a bloody tough role to get the balance right between 3-5-2 and 5-3-2. Bocat and Junior did well last night and I say that from a position of thinking Junior is hopeless. Bocat will go on to be a very good player for us. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2024 11:13:46 GMT
I can't agree about Bocat at all Dave. Junior showed up better in the second half but neither out-performed Seko. I've read so much about Seko, I starting to think that I missed watching the arrival of the Japanese Modric.  I'm a beaten man. Get Seko in the starting 11 on Saturday. 1st name on the team sheet after last night clearly. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 30, 2024 11:29:35 GMT
He has no positional sense whatsoever and was caught out by Armstrong first half on a couple of occasions due to that. He and Junior never ever bust a gut to get back either We have never watched the same game so I can live with our opinions being different. The Armstrong chance at the near post that Bonham saved was the only time I thought "Bocat, WTF are you doing". He left the defensive position too early, before we had secured good possession of the ball and left us exposed. That aside, he did well. Playing wingback in a team that struggles to keep hold of the ball is second only in terms of difficulty to playing as the lone striker in the same team. It's a bloody tough role to get the balance right between 3-5-2 and 5-3-2. Bocat and Junior did well last night and I say that from a position of thinking Junior is hopeless. Bocat will go on to be a very good player for us. We never ever see the same game mate😊and I can’t agree at all about Bocat,time will tell though |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 30, 2024 11:33:37 GMT
He has no positional sense whatsoever and was caught out by Armstrong first half on a couple of occasions due to that. He and Junior never ever bust a gut to get back either We have never watched the same game so I can live with our opinions being different. The Armstrong chance at the near post that Bonham saved was the only time I thought "Bocat, WTF are you doing". He left the defensive position too early, before we had secured good possession of the ball and left us exposed. That aside, he did well. Playing wingback in a team that struggles to keep hold of the ball is second only in terms of difficulty to playing as the lone striker in the same team. It's a bloody tough role to get the balance right between 3-5-2 and 5-3-2. Bocat and Junior did well last night and I say that from a position of thinking Junior is hopeless. Bocat will go on to be a very good player for us. I agree. Junior has a physical presence and for the most part has been messed about with too much. I also think he could make a decent defender, perhaps in place of Gibson He got stuck in last night and showed fight. Vidigal and Cannon should start with Koumas and MM running the flanks We'll have too much for Derby, looking forward to it |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 30, 2024 11:33:53 GMT
I can't agree about Bocat at all Dave. Junior showed up better in the second half but neither out-performed Seko. I've read so much about Seko, I starting to think that I missed watching the arrival of the Japanese Modric. I'm a beaten man. Get Seko in the starting 11 on Saturday. 1st name on the team sheet after last night clearly. Now don't get like that  |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 30, 2024 11:34:52 GMT
We have never watched the same game so I can live with our opinions being different. The Armstrong chance at the near post that Bonham saved was the only time I thought "Bocat, WTF are you doing". He left the defensive position too early, before we had secured good possession of the ball and left us exposed. That aside, he did well. Playing wingback in a team that struggles to keep hold of the ball is second only in terms of difficulty to playing as the lone striker in the same team. It's a bloody tough role to get the balance right between 3-5-2 and 5-3-2. Bocat and Junior did well last night and I say that from a position of thinking Junior is hopeless. Bocat will go on to be a very good player for us. I agree. Junior has a physical presence and for the most part has been messed about with too much. I also think he could make a decent defender, perhaps in place of Gibson He got stuck in last night and showed fight. Vidigal and Cannon should start with Koumas and MM running the flanks We'll have too much for Derby, looking forward to it Vidigal should start?????? Bloody hell, I need to buy some new glasses. |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Oct 30, 2024 11:36:06 GMT
If we play a back-three with wing-backs, I’d seriously consider Stevens on the left of a three with Bocat at wing-back. I think he’d offer Bocat the required cover in wide defensive areas which Gibson’s mobility inhibits him from doing effectively. That being said, I don’t think that shape is something we should be doing at home to Derby.
For me I’d go with:
GK: Viktor
RB: Wilmot
CB: Phillips
CB: Rose
LB: Stevens
DM: Seko
CM: Burger
CM: Moran
RW: Manhoef
LW: Koumas
ST: Cannon
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Post by senojbor on Oct 30, 2024 11:42:50 GMT
I agree. Junior has a physical presence and for the most part has been messed about with too much. I also think he could make a decent defender, perhaps in place of Gibson He got stuck in last night and showed fight. Vidigal and Cannon should start with Koumas and MM running the flanks We'll have too much for Derby, looking forward to it Vidigal should start?????? Bloody hell, I need to buy some new glasses. Ennis? We don't have many options unless you want to play a reserve player |
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Post by vidigoals on Oct 30, 2024 11:58:22 GMT
Derby sit 23rd in the away table with a -6 GD.
I hate this term, this early on - but this one is a must win.
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2024 12:08:52 GMT
He was. He had a really tough role looking after their wide men and helping Dixon and I thought, in the main, he did it really well. I don't get the hate for him at all, which is why I said "controversially I thought Bocat was really good". I can only recall thinking "wtf are you doing there" once with him all night. He looks better at LWB than LB |
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Post by haway on Oct 30, 2024 12:14:26 GMT
Derby sit 23rd in the away table with a -6 GD. I hate this term, this early on - but this one is a must win. This doesn’t surprise me. They were awful at the SOL, didn’t threaten at all. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a repeat scoreline you had v Portsmouth. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 30, 2024 12:21:35 GMT
Ferfuxache just win
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 30, 2024 12:22:44 GMT
Derby sit 23rd in the away table with a -6 GD. I hate this term, this early on - but this one is a must win. Or alternatively the oft use phrase on here. “Here comes the Stoke charity bus”. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Oct 30, 2024 12:23:15 GMT
4-3-3
Viktor
Wilmott
Phillips
Rose
Stephens
Burger
Sidibe
Moran
Koumas
Cannon
Million
I fucking hate Derby.
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Post by wonderwall on Oct 30, 2024 12:37:17 GMT
Must win, rival and infront of the home fans. Shit will hit the pan if we lose this.
Johannson Wilmot , Gibson , Phillips , Stevens Thompson Seko Moran Manhoef , Cannon , Junho
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I'm a beaten man. Get Seko in the starting 11 on Saturday. 1st name on the team sheet after last night clearly.
