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Post by Linx on Oct 4, 2024 12:51:21 GMT
Pompey were poor. But would Schuey’s team selection and tactics have won the game 6-1? We won a few games by big margins last season after all (discounting the Boro Reserves vs the Stoke Reserves). I think the answer is in how the next few games pan out.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 4, 2024 13:16:06 GMT
If you include the 4 before then its still 7 wins in 14 with an average point haul of over 1.5 a game giving you about 70 points over a season. Which i think would have been classed as progress. Anyway he's gone. I'll always think no matter what the club handled it very badly. And I'll always remember that there was no ground swell of opinion that he should have been sacked. Personally I saw some better football and felt given the horrid state of the club he needed more time and that he had a good chance of taking us forward. Not least because he seemed to be building a relationship with the fans. But its the past now. I just hope Pelach is given a fairer crack at it. And as he's Walters man I suspect he will. I wish him all the best. But only a blind man can't see that our upper management have a habit of handling many of these situations in a really poor way. It is a concern. you’re including cup games , you don’t get points for them , league games he averages 1.38 ppg , as someone quoted on here , not any real improvement so i understand why he had to go Best PPG of all our championship managers since relegation. So its a fallacy to say he wasn't improving things. His sacking was handled appallingly. Fair enough if, for whatever reason you didn't like him, but you were in a minority. Plenty more fans understood the challenge he had and were willing to see him carry on the project he'd been given. I hope Pelach gets treated better. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 4, 2024 13:54:13 GMT
Pompey were poor. But would Schuey’s team selection and tactics have won the game 6-1? We won a few games by big margins last season after all (discounting the Boro Reserves vs the Stoke Reserves). I think the answer is in how the next few games pan out. Well for the sake of the credibility of the majority of posters on this thread let's just hope and pray it goes badly. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 4, 2024 14:07:44 GMT
Pompey were poor. But would Schuey’s team selection and tactics have won the game 6-1? We won a few games by big margins last season after all (discounting the Boro Reserves vs the Stoke Reserves). I think the answer is in how the next few games pan out. Well for the sake of the credibility of the majority of posters on this thread let's just hope and pray it goes badly. Bit of an exaggeration that. Majority of posters on this thread?. I've had a little gander through and can't find much in the way of people predicting or indeed wanting Pelach to fail. A bit of speculation that his inexperience could be an issue and plenty of questions about the manner of Schumacher's dismissal, which I think are valid to be fair. Other than that not much. Maybe I missed it.. Either way onwards and hopefully upwards. |
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Post by robstokie on Oct 4, 2024 14:18:05 GMT
Definitely think that Wednesday was a huge improvement - if we can finally push on for once following a positive result, then time might prove it to be the right call. Wednesday was a great night, the kind of night we might get once a decade and a night we could all enjoy. We will see about Chicho - if we don't build on it then it's ultimately just a great result ala Nutty Nathan against Leeds, Lambert vs Huddersfield, Neil vs Sunderland and so on. What is will do is give the players and fans confidence, and Chicho therefore has more time and more receptive players which both help.
For the record, the way we fucked Schuey off was still unnecessary and uncalled for, and I (amongst a lot of others) would still be happy with him at the wheel for reasons I stated in the original post, if I've got it wrong I'll be delighted, as everyone here wants to see this great club do well, albeit different solutions and different problems from different points of view.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 4, 2024 14:32:48 GMT
I was shocked by the decision but it's done and I see no point it stewing over it.
Time will tell if it was the right decision based on Schuey being successful at Championship level at another club.
One thing the club have got right is the sackings because none of those sacked have proved it was the wrong decision.
It's picking the right manager that is the problem.
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Post by apb1 on Oct 4, 2024 14:40:42 GMT
I thought he was hard done by but it happens a lot in this game. I was more concerned at the timing when he'd been the one welcoming new players, took pre-season etc. But Pelach is the boss now and let's hope he's turned a corner with that result. Schumacher won't have suffered much reputation loss, and he'll be well off financially. I wish him the best.
If Pelach is as good as we all hope, it will make Walters' decision defensible. If he's on a par with Schumacher, then he's on shaky ground imo.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 4, 2024 15:22:03 GMT
you’re including cup games , you don’t get points for them , league games he averages 1.38 ppg , as someone quoted on here , not any real improvement so i understand why he had to go Best PPG of all our championship managers since relegation. So its a fallacy to say he wasn't improving things. His sacking was handled appallingly. Fair enough if, for whatever reason you didn't like him, but you were in a minority. Plenty more fans understood the challenge he had and were willing to see him carry on the project he'd been given. I hope Pelach gets treated better. MoN had a better ppg , and neither are really good , who knows how NP is going do 🤷♂️ |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 4, 2024 15:59:53 GMT
Best PPG of all our championship managers since relegation. So its a fallacy to say he wasn't improving things. His sacking was handled appallingly. Fair enough if, for whatever reason you didn't like him, but you were in a minority. Plenty more fans understood the challenge he had and were willing to see him carry on the project he'd been given. I hope Pelach gets treated better. MoN had a better ppg , and neither are really good , who knows how NP is going do 🤷♂️ Was close to be fair but from what I researched Schumacher was 1.41 ppg to MONs 1.39 ppg. Semantics. As I said its history now. Good luck Pelach, hope he gets a longer run at it than Schumacher. Wednesday was a cracking lift off for him. Up the Potters. |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 4, 2024 16:03:19 GMT
MoN had a better ppg , and neither are really good , who knows how NP is going do 🤷♂️ Was close to be fair but from what I researched Schumacher was 1.41 ppg to MONs 1.39 ppg. Semantics. As I said its history now. Good luck Pelach, hope he gets a longer run at it than Schumacher. Wednesday was a cracking lift off for him. Up the Potters. SS was 1.38 |
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 4, 2024 16:07:56 GMT
I'd still prefer Schuey but because I support Stoke City more than any particular manager, I hope that in couple of months time I'll be happy with the manager change. And I quite like Pelach too so him being a main man is not a problem to me. What comes to Schuey I feel sorry for him, but then again I'm sure he finds a new job soon.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 4, 2024 16:44:59 GMT
Was close to be fair but from what I researched Schumacher was 1.41 ppg to MONs 1.39 ppg. Semantics. As I said its history now. Good luck Pelach, hope he gets a longer run at it than Schumacher. Wednesday was a cracking lift off for him. Up the Potters. SS was 1.38 Fair enough. We're splitting hairs now though 👍 |
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Post by SCFC92 on Oct 4, 2024 18:34:16 GMT
I liked Schuey in terms of his character. Which made this a little hard. I really wanted him to do well.
The owners don't owe an explanation other than we're going in another direction. They will pay up his contract as expected so that's all that is required.
Performance wise, having reflected, we were a bit shit, same as the last few years. Was it sudden and shocking, yes, wrong decision based on our ambitions? No.
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Post by ceejays on Oct 4, 2024 18:50:31 GMT
I see SS has now released a video expressing his desire to speak to JW as to the reasons for his dismissal. From my personal view he’s best to do this under the radar . He’s in danger of the scouse label of always the victim never to blame being tied round his neck . Pipe down SS . Move on
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 4, 2024 19:04:35 GMT
I liked Schuey in terms of his character. Which made this a little hard. I really wanted him to do well. The owners don't owe an explanation other than we're going in another direction. They will pay up his contract as expected so that's all that is required. Performance wise, having reflected, we were a bit shit, same as the last few years. Was it sudden and shocking, yes, wrong decision based on our ambitions? No. Exactly how I feel about the whole situation in a nutshell mate. Very well put post. I liked Schuey as did many fans but the club is bigger than any individual so my support goes to Narcis and if Wednesday are a sign of times to come then I can't wait for the ride. |
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Post by tuum on Oct 4, 2024 21:11:45 GMT
I see SS has now released a video expressing his desire to speak to JW as to the reasons for his dismissal. From my personal view he’s best to do this under the radar . He’s in danger of the scouse label of always the victim never to blame being tied round his neck . Pipe down SS . Move on I think he is entitled to an explanation. Something a little more substantive than 'we are going in a different direction'. If SJW said that he will provide this once the dust has settled then that is what he should do. Integrity is important. I think two weeks is reasonable for the 'dust to settle'. I would however add that,in my experience, often the reasons given are not entirely true for fear of prompting wrongful dismissal claims. In the muggles world you may end up feeling more frustrated than before because most middle managers will not be frank with you...unless you have done something that is clearly wrong but then you would not be asking would you? If I was SS I would want to hear from SJW as to why he thinks I am not the man to lead the change in direction. As SS says in the interview, he may not agree with SJW's assessment but it will at least provide an opportunity for reflection/learning. I do agree with another poster above. This should be SS's last public quote for a while and he should pursue the matter privately with the club. If the club does not honour it's commitment to SS then I would be OK with SS publicising that fact at a later date. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2024 5:34:14 GMT
We had two good home games under Schumacher so Pèlach is halfway to replicating the Scouse Fergie’s achievements.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 5, 2024 5:48:47 GMT
Why is this thread still going?
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Post by thornestein on Oct 5, 2024 5:53:42 GMT
Why is this thread still going? maybe because ppl are still posting on it |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2024 6:39:25 GMT
Why is this thread still going? maybe because ppl are still posting on it 🤣 oops there it goes again, back up the board 😆 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 5, 2024 7:30:25 GMT
Well for the sake of the credibility of the majority of posters on this thread let's just hope and pray it goes badly. Bit of an exaggeration that. Majority of posters on this thread?. I've had a little gander through and can't find much in the way of people predicting or indeed wanting Pelach to fail. A bit of speculation that his inexperience could be an issue and plenty of questions about the manner of Schumacher's dismissal, which I think are valid to be fair. Other than that not much. Maybe I missed it.. Either way onwards and hopefully upwards. Many of the posts prior to the win on Wednesday were pretty vitriolic and in support of the OP. The title of this thread is pretty unequivocal in it's meaning and it isn't "I feel really sorry for Schuey but let's get behind Pelach". The posts since the win have mellowed but there's still a sense Pelach is going to get laid into at the first opportunity. Buy I do agree with your concluding remark - onwards and upwards. |
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Post by Picasso on Oct 5, 2024 8:13:20 GMT
Not read the whole thread, but I imagine that most were in support of the idea that Schumacher shouldn’t have gone, but also want to give Pelach a fair chance in the hope that he is successful, despite being surprised (and maybe a little bemused, taking his inexperience into account) at the appointment.
In other words, you can be supportive of both.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 5, 2024 8:44:15 GMT
Not read the whole thread, but I imagine that most were in support of the idea that Schumacher shouldn’t have gone, but also want to give Pelach a fair chance in the hope that he is successful, despite being surprised (and maybe a little bemused, taking his inexperience into account) at the appointment. In other words, you can be supportive of both. You definitely haven't read the whole thread. The tone since the win on Wednesday is more like the one you have described but before that there were a significant number of posts supporting the title of the thread in the literal sense. If you don't belive me just go back and read some. |
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Post by stokiedan17 on Oct 5, 2024 9:01:59 GMT
Pompey were poor. But would Schuey’s team selection and tactics have won the game 6-1? We won a few games by big margins last season after all (discounting the Boro Reserves vs the Stoke Reserves). I think the answer is in how the next few games pan out. That’s the thing though isn’t it. Do we think he would have won. I think arguably the best thing he did was change the full backs. Would Schuey have done that or would he have persisted with bocat and junior with the inverted fullbacks. I Personally I think that was exactly the type of game we lose under him tbh. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 5, 2024 9:42:17 GMT
I liked Schuey in terms of his character. Which made this a little hard. I really wanted him to do well. The owners don't owe an explanation other than we're going in another direction. They will pay up his contract as expected so that's all that is required. Performance wise, having reflected, we were a bit shit, same as the last few years. Was it sudden and shocking, yes, wrong decision based on our ambitions? No. Thank you for a reasonable post. We’ll have to agree on the we were a bit shit. Schuey walked into a shower that was only heading down fast. He turned it around and implemented changes and I was happy with the direction we were going in and the results, 7 wins out of 10 games were fine. We will have to agree to disagree on this. No they don’t owe him anything but they have said they will give him a reason when the dust settles. Two weeks is more than enough time and integrity matters. I think they have treated him very poorly. Putting aside basic human decency of giving someone a reason- which they clearly don’t care about, it’s a PR decision for them to decide whether to tell him anymore. Personally I think not giving him a reason is a very poor look which damages the clubs reputation. |
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Post by paulkoz on Oct 5, 2024 22:56:45 GMT
Like alot of fans I was pretty shell shocked when they give him the boot, he got rid of the dead wood and brought some stability to the club said all the right stuff but ultimately didn't really deliver. Alot of these matches under SS we lost for one reason or another. But Pelach seems like he has given the team more focus and drive. So I wonder why didn't happen for SS when Pelach has only been here a couple of weeks and already showing an improvement game on game. I think under SS we would have lost that game.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 5, 2024 22:58:48 GMT
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 5, 2024 23:07:51 GMT
I am certain we would have won and pissed it 8-0 under SS
Seriously though, who on earth knows?! Ridiculous thread.
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Post by Gods on Oct 5, 2024 23:12:50 GMT
You might equally ask if the Hull and Middlesbro defeats under Pelach were games we would have drawn under SS.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 6, 2024 0:09:51 GMT
We definitely wouldn’t of lost it, though we might have lost it…
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