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Post by LphPotter on Oct 3, 2024 19:58:19 GMT
Calm down. It’s football, harsh as it may seem we’ve not done anything different to what he did to Plymouth. We clearly felt he wasn’t the man to take us forward, just as he felt staying at Plymouth wasn’t the way to progress his career and so left them. I wouldn’t have sacked him but it’s happened, it’s football and he will be fine. He’ll get another job easily and I think he will do well. I don't condone how he left Plymouth and that's why he split the Plymouth fanbase with his decision. At least in that case there were obvious, understandable reasons like someone flying down with a huge bag of cash and doubling or tripling your salary! Still don't think he should have left when and how he did, but its history now. I don’t have an issue with how he left Plymouth because clearly he felt that was the way to progress his career. Same as the reasons why we’ve sacked him. Agree or not it’s just what happens in football. There’s very little loyalty. |
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 3, 2024 19:59:20 GMT
If I got the sack from a job , I'd want to know why before I left the room.
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 3, 2024 20:02:12 GMT
If I got the sack from a job , I'd want to know why before I left the room. He asked for the reason before he left and they refused to give it to him. 'We'll tell you later' is just BS and they knew it was BS then. That's why they couldn't, can't and won't ever be honest with Schuey or the fans about what happened. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 3, 2024 20:07:32 GMT
If I got the sack from a job , I'd want to know why before I left the room. I'm pretty sure its a legal requirement. The last time I got sacked they at least told me at the time its because I was wank at the job.....fair doos. |
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Post by jebbstuart on Oct 3, 2024 21:09:57 GMT
i judge a manager by his results and his were bog standard, the performance at Oxford was dog shit so happy he has got. He will get another job and just be a journeyman manager in the lower leagues, good luck to him its not personal just thought he was crap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 3, 2024 21:15:17 GMT
If I got the sack from a job , I'd want to know why before I left the room. He asked for the reason before he left and they refused to give it to him. 'We'll tell you later' is just BS and they knew it was BS then. That's why they couldn't, can't and won't ever be honest with Schuey or the fans about what happened. He joined us and we were shit and lower midtable. He left us and we were shit and lower midtable. It’s pretty obvious why he was sacked. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 3, 2024 21:19:52 GMT
He asked for the reason before he left and they refused to give it to him. 'We'll tell you later' is just BS and they knew it was BS then. That's why they couldn't, can't and won't ever be honest with Schuey or the fans about what happened. He joined us and we were shit and lower midtable. He left us and we were shit and lower midtable. It’s pretty obvious why he was sacked. Stopped us getting relegated which was his main brief when appointed. Won 7 of his last 10 games before the sack. It's not obvious to quite a few people why he was sacked. Jog on Bayern |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 3, 2024 21:23:04 GMT
He joined us and we were shit and lower midtable. He left us and we were shit and lower midtable. It’s pretty obvious why he was sacked. Stopped us getting relegated which was his main brief when appointed. Won 7 of his last 10 games before the sack. Jog on Bayern It was way closer than it should have been. He was shit. 2 cup games in that, that don’t really count. We were shit this season under him. And had 3 good games under him last season. He did nothing for this club. The love in for him is just bizarre given he was average at best. And I just don’t think he was that. |
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Post by chad on Oct 3, 2024 21:29:05 GMT
I think Schueys been a little unlucky
If Big Sam and Bosun had been available from the start of the season who knows what results we could have achieved
That said it was a poor start to the season and it’s been said time and again it’s a results business
We move on and hope this time we’ve got the right man
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 3, 2024 21:45:51 GMT
I was thinking last night of how often we have said one match this team will click and we'll thrash somebody. I think it was first said about Nathan Jones's team and has been said about every team since. So thank you Pelach for finally proving that it can all come together and we can thrash the opposition. Shows l that we shouldn't wish for any manager's return as none of them managed to do it.
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 3, 2024 21:49:51 GMT
If I got the sack from a job , I'd want to know why before I left the room. He asked for the reason before he left and they refused to give it to him. 'We'll tell you later' is just BS and they knew it was BS then. That's why they couldn't, can't and won't ever be honest with Schuey or the fans about what happened. I'd have refused to leave |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 3, 2024 21:51:24 GMT
I think Schueys been a little unlucky If Big Sam and Bosun had been available from the start of the season who knows what results we could have achieved That said it was a poor start to the season and it’s been said time and again it’s a results business We move on and hope this time we’ve got the right man I agree about Gallagher not being available but Schumacher's tactics and game management contributed to his own downfall |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 4, 2024 0:37:37 GMT
If I got the sack from a job , I'd want to know why before I left the room. I'm pretty sure its a legal requirement. The last time I got sacked they at least told me at the time its because I was wank at the job.....fair doos. It isn’t if they pay up the full value (or continue paying) of the contract |
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 4, 2024 2:29:24 GMT
If he can’t realize why he was sacked he’s even more clueless than I thought he was
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 4, 2024 2:33:21 GMT
Stopped us getting relegated which was his main brief when appointed. Won 7 of his last 10 games before the sack. Jog on Bayern It was way closer than it should have been. He was shit. 2 cup games in that, that don’t really count. We were shit this season under him. And had 3 good games under him last season. He did nothing for this club. The love in for him is just bizarre given he was average at best. And I just don’t think he was that. It’s beyond comprehension really the adoration for someone who, when all is said and done and looking at things objectively, has not managed to take this club forward by even a fraction of a millimeter. He was as useless in equal measure as all the other managers we’ve had since we got relegated from the Premier League |
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Post by ceejays on Oct 4, 2024 3:50:20 GMT
If he can’t realize why he was sacked he’s even more clueless than I thought he was . I just think he’s trying to show JW up . Throwing a little mud . Not a lot but doesn’t want to go the full way . But who knows. It’s a situation that we can only speculate. Clearly they didn’t want to explain at the time as the objective was to get Chico . A meeting might have revealed his replacement and that might have leaked out and alerted others in the frame for a new coach . That’s my reading of it but it’s pure speculation |
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Post by ceejays on Oct 4, 2024 4:29:38 GMT
Having said that it occurs to me that Percy released news of us going for Chico pretty quick. And didn’t Chico drive to the midlands to meet them ? So all of that must have been arranged over the weekend you would have thought. So they had a time and a place to meet chico on the Monday and an extended meeting with SS would have or could have caused a time issue . Would not have looked good if they turned up late to interview him . lol. I’ve too much time on my hands obviously. Lol
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Post by wonderwall on Oct 4, 2024 4:50:43 GMT
So glad this thread is backfiring.
Some clueless muppets on here.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Oct 4, 2024 5:51:58 GMT
Having said that it occurs to me that Percy released news of us going for Chico pretty quick. And didn’t Chico drive to the midlands to meet them ? So all of that must have been arranged over the weekend you would have thought. So they had a time and a place to meet chico on the Monday and an extended meeting with SS would have or could have caused a time issue . Would not have looked good if they turned up late to interview him . lol. I’ve too much time on my hands obviously. Lol *Chicho |
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Post by stokefc on Oct 4, 2024 6:24:53 GMT
There's no loyalty in the work place, well not in my experience but I'm just a nobody who works on a building site it maybe different in the confines of the upper echelons of big business
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 4, 2024 6:35:57 GMT
There's no loyalty in the work place, well not in my experience but I'm just a nobody who works on a building site it maybe different in the confines of the upper echelons of big business Your first comment is bob on, you should NEVER get 'matey' or friendly with your colleagues at work to the point youre ' besties'. You can have a laugh and get on well with your team, but at the end of the day its a job. Do your bit to make the company turning, knock off and go home. A billionaire told me that, but in a more businss like manner. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 4, 2024 10:11:56 GMT
There's no loyalty in the work place, well not in my experience but I'm just a nobody who works on a building site it maybe different in the confines of the upper echelons of big business Your first comment is bob on, you should NEVER get 'matey' or friendly with your colleagues at work to the point youre ' besties'. You can have a laugh and get on well with your team, but at the end of the day its a job. Do your bit to make the company turning, knock off and go home. A billionaire told me that, but in a more businss like manner. Everyone has their own work experiences but in my sector, once you reach a certain level - money is much for same for roles at particular levels, managers included. When you get to that point, the differentiating factor is very much the quality (or lack thereof) of the management above and the workload. The worst management constantly gives you nonsense, works you to all hours, expects you to have your phone on at evenings at weekends or in the worst case, bullies you. If bullied, a small, brave few will raise grievances with HR which usually backfire due to the hierarical nature of companies or take the employer to an employment tribunal which takes ages with little chance of success or reward. Most people just keep their heads down and leave as soon as they can. The obvious external sign is high staff turnover and the company gets a bad reputation in their sector. It hits their bottom line too once most of the talent has left and some do go under as a result. I've never worked in the football industry so I can't comment to what extent it matters vs the extreme financial gain. Also, most players are young with very limited experience, but the fundamentals of shit management holding back the performance of the company/club will still apply. |
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Post by stokief on Oct 4, 2024 10:37:25 GMT
He joined us and we were shit and lower midtable. He left us and we were shit and lower midtable. It’s pretty obvious why he was sacked. Stopped us getting relegated which was his main brief when appointed. Won 7 of his last 10 games before the sack. It's not obvious to quite a few people why he was sacked. Jog on Bayern Here we go AGAIN! 20th Jan 2024 Stoke 1- Brum 2 27th Jan 2024 Sunderland 3 Stoke1 3rd Feb 2024 Stoke 0- Leicester 5 10 th Feb 2024 Blackburn 3 -Stoke 1 14th Feb2024 Stoke 1-QPR 0 17 th Feb 2024 Stoke 0- Coventry 1 24the Feb2024 Cardiff 2- Stoke 1 End of feb Jon Walters joins and does a pep talk. The players seemingly tell the manager that they don't think his tactics are working and they need to change, Stoke then string a few results together, amidst losses also and we avoid relegation. The last couple of matches can't really count as there was thankfully now no pressure on the players so I guess they' just went out there and well..erm.. did their thing. Probably didn't need any managing! If you really think that the start to this season was setting the bar then the bar must be very low. The performances v Watford/West Brom and oh, deary me Oxford  I have no idea if the new HC will be a success but I think a real breath of fresh air was required. We're not at Clayton Wood everyday . We don't know everything that goes on. It's sad when a person loses a job but unless SS has so little faith in his own abilities I'm sure he'll get another one. I've said it before, it's like being in a football parallel universe on here. Quite bizarre the out-pouring of 'grief'. It's football folks. Managers and players come and go and we the supporters in the main are there for the long haul. |
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Post by kerouac on Oct 4, 2024 10:50:43 GMT
I liked him, but he wasn't the man to take us forward in the long term.Now I know it was only one game against a poor Pompey,but ive not seen us as cohesive as that with seemingly,an actual plan.Schuey was still fumbling around in my opinion,Narcis seems so eloquent and driven in his press conferences and interviews, he comes across so well....the man management of Cannon who's gone from zero to hero so quickly is down to him.Im stupidly optimistic.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 4, 2024 11:10:13 GMT
I have no idea how it will pan out with the new manager but
in 9 months under SS, there was clearly zero progress, that is explanation enough for me.
I never saw anything positive on the pitch while he was here. What the hell was he doing with them in training? They didn't even look fit.
The 7 out of 10 mantra is just a big deflection. 2 meaningless cup games against reserve teams, a dead rubber, What about the 4 games before that, how about including them?
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 4, 2024 11:12:44 GMT
Your first comment is bob on, you should NEVER get 'matey' or friendly with your colleagues at work to the point youre ' besties'. You can have a laugh and get on well with your team, but at the end of the day its a job. Do your bit to make the company turning, knock off and go home. A billionaire told me that, but in a more businss like manner. Everyone has their own work experiences but in my sector, once you reach a certain level - money is much for same for roles at particular levels, managers included. When you get to that point, the differentiating factor is very much the quality (or lack thereof) of the management above and the workload. The worst management constantly gives you nonsense, works you to all hours, expects you to have your phone on at evenings at weekends or in the worst case, bullies you. If bullied, a small, brave few will raise grievances with HR which usually backfire due to the hierarical nature of companies or take the employer to an employment tribunal which takes ages with little chance of success or reward. Most people just keep their heads down and leave as soon as they can. The obvious external sign is high staff turnover and the company gets a bad reputation in their sector. It hits their bottom line too once most of the talent has left and some do go under as a result. I've never worked in the football industry so I can't comment to what extent it matters vs the extreme financial gain. Also, most players are young with very limited experience, but the fundamentals of shit management holding back the performance of the company/club will still apply. What sector do you work in….? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 4, 2024 11:30:51 GMT
I have no idea how it will pan out with the new manager but in 9 months under SS, there was clearly zero progress, that is explanation enough for me. I never saw anything positive on the pitch while he was here. What the hell was he doing with them in training? They didn't even look fit. The 7 out of 10 mantra is just a big deflection. 2 meaningless cup games against reserve teams, a dead rubber, What about the 4 games before that, how about including them? If you include the 4 before then its still 7 wins in 14 with an average point haul of over 1.5 a game giving you about 70 points over a season. Which i think would have been classed as progress. Anyway he's gone. I'll always think no matter what the club handled it very badly. And I'll always remember that there was no ground swell of opinion that he should have been sacked. Personally I saw some better football and felt given the horrid state of the club he needed more time and that he had a good chance of taking us forward. Not least because he seemed to be building a relationship with the fans. But its the past now. I just hope Pelach is given a fairer crack at it. And as he's Walters man I suspect he will. I wish him all the best. But only a blind man can't see that our upper management have a habit of handling many of these situations in a really poor way. It is a concern. |
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 4, 2024 12:28:57 GMT
The way it was done was cack handed. No different than if your boss came to you and said "You're sacked" and wouldn't tell you why.
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 4, 2024 12:33:55 GMT
Everyone has their own work experiences but in my sector, once you reach a certain level - money is much for same for roles at particular levels, managers included. When you get to that point, the differentiating factor is very much the quality (or lack thereof) of the management above and the workload. The worst management constantly gives you nonsense, works you to all hours, expects you to have your phone on at evenings at weekends or in the worst case, bullies you. If bullied, a small, brave few will raise grievances with HR which usually backfire due to the hierarical nature of companies or take the employer to an employment tribunal which takes ages with little chance of success or reward. Most people just keep their heads down and leave as soon as they can. The obvious external sign is high staff turnover and the company gets a bad reputation in their sector. It hits their bottom line too once most of the talent has left and some do go under as a result. I've never worked in the football industry so I can't comment to what extent it matters vs the extreme financial gain. Also, most players are young with very limited experience, but the fundamentals of shit management holding back the performance of the company/club will still apply. What sector do you work in….? I work in the charity sector |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 4, 2024 12:43:23 GMT
I have no idea how it will pan out with the new manager but in 9 months under SS, there was clearly zero progress, that is explanation enough for me. I never saw anything positive on the pitch while he was here. What the hell was he doing with them in training? They didn't even look fit. The 7 out of 10 mantra is just a big deflection. 2 meaningless cup games against reserve teams, a dead rubber, What about the 4 games before that, how about including them? If you include the 4 before then its still 7 wins in 14 with an average point haul of over 1.5 a game giving you about 70 points over a season. Which i think would have been classed as progress. Anyway he's gone. I'll always think no matter what the club handled it very badly. And I'll always remember that there was no ground swell of opinion that he should have been sacked. Personally I saw some better football and felt given the horrid state of the club he needed more time and that he had a good chance of taking us forward. Not least because he seemed to be building a relationship with the fans. But its the past now. I just hope Pelach is given a fairer crack at it. And as he's Walters man I suspect he will. I wish him all the best. But only a blind man can't see that our upper management have a habit of handling many of these situations in a really poor way. It is a concern. you’re including cup games , you don’t get points for them , league games he averages 1.38 ppg , as someone quoted on here , not any real improvement so i understand why he had to go |
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I have no idea if the new HC will be a success but I think a real breath of fresh air was required. We're not at Clayton Wood everyday . We don't know everything that goes on. It's sad when a person loses a job but unless SS has so little faith in his own abilities I'm sure he'll get another one. I've said it before, it's like being in a football parallel universe on here. Quite bizarre the out-pouring of 'grief'. It's football folks. Managers and players come and go and we the supporters in the main are there for the long haul. 
