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Post by stokief on Oct 3, 2024 13:33:30 GMT
I'm not sure it's wise washing your dirty laundry in Public.Looks a bit needy. I thought his initial statement was a bit hasty too. Still, each to their own. His dream job is Everton (good luck) so he'd have shuffled his A$$ out of here if they'd come along anyway regardless of what he did here. I'd rather like a Coach who made US his Club regardless of who else he'd supported. Let's get behind our new Coach and squad now.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 3, 2024 14:18:10 GMT
"Jon used to come in every week and we'd sit and go through the game plans for the weekend. I would explain to him why we’re going through certain processes and certain decisions, So I had no problem with Jon whatsoever." That's not going to line up with some the agenda-driven drivel spouted on here recently.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Oct 3, 2024 14:29:45 GMT
I'm not sure it's wise washing your dirty laundry in Public.Looks a bit needy. I thought his initial statement was a bit hasty too. Still, each to their own. His dream job is Everton (good luck) so he'd have shuffled his A$$ out of here if they'd come along anyway regardless of what he did here. I'd rather like a Coach who made US his Club regardless of who else he'd supported. Let's get behind our new Coach and squad now. If Pelach is a success then he'll potentially be leaving for a bigger club, just like Schumacher would've left us for Everton if he was a success, that's just how football works. And I do have to laugh how you're saying about giving the new coach support and getting behind him after being so negative after Schumacher from the start. Where was your support from the start for the previous coach? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 3, 2024 14:37:56 GMT
I'm not sure it's wise washing your dirty laundry in Public.Looks a bit needy. I thought his initial statement was a bit hasty too. Still, each to their own. His dream job is Everton (good luck) so he'd have shuffled his A$$ out of here if they'd come along anyway regardless of what he did here. I'd rather like a Coach who made US his Club regardless of who else he'd supported. Let's get behind our new Coach and squad now. If Pelach is a success then he'll potentially be leaving for a bigger club, just like Schumacher would've left us for Everton if he was a success, that's just how football works. And I do have to laugh how you're saying about giving the new coach support and getting behind him after being so negative after Schumacher from the start. Where was your support from the start for the previous coach? Or is it just Spanish blokes with tight fitting jeans that get your backing? I’ve never understood why we hold players and managers to this ridiculous double standard. Best believe if a rival firm to mine sent me an e-Mail doubling my wage and giving me even more room to be an absolute bastard I’m out of my current job faster than Jon Walters ticks the box for the tories in a ballot. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 3, 2024 14:40:51 GMT
Walters or Coates not giving Schuey any explanation other than "you're fired and we are going in another direction" is extremely poor and unprofessional.
Aside from lacking basic human decency and empathy, it doesn't give Schuey any chance to reflect, grow and develop as a professional. Schuey is showing a lot of strength and emotional maturity to be open to such feedback. He seems far more mature and grown up than those he reported to!
What's to stop them from doing this to Pelach or any future member of the coaching staff or players?! It paints the club in a very bad light if they treat employees so badly.
Stoke will definitely be fishing in a smaller pool, recruiting different types of coaches and players - more mercenary than ever and ready to jump ship at the first opportunity that seems a bit better. We will probably have to pay higher wages and fees to compensate for the senior management instability and BS that's there for all to see.
Regardless of how Pelach fares with results, Walters and Coates are definitely make it signifcantly harder for the club to be successful than is necessary.
The club's reputation is clearly a shambles run by clowns, where they treat employees like sh*t, is there for all to see!
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Post by stokief on Oct 3, 2024 14:47:37 GMT
I'm not sure it's wise washing your dirty laundry in Public.Looks a bit needy. I thought his initial statement was a bit hasty too. Still, each to their own. His dream job is Everton (good luck) so he'd have shuffled his A$$ out of here if they'd come along anyway regardless of what he did here. I'd rather like a Coach who made US his Club regardless of who else he'd supported. Let's get behind our new Coach and squad now. If Pelach is a success then he'll potentially be leaving for a bigger club, just like Schumacher would've left us for Everton if he was a success, that's just how football works. And I do have to laugh how you're saying about giving the new coach support and getting behind him after being so negative after Schumacher from the start. Where was your support from the start for the previous coach? I didn't think SS was the right man for the job and I said that right from the start and stuck to my guns. I would never wish failure on anyone and I always want the Club to succeed. I obviously hoped he could prove my gut feeling wrong but it turns out I wasn't the only one with doubts doesn't it? I feel that this new Coach is the right decision and of course, I could be proved wrong here but it's just my point of view. Now you say that all managers will eventually leave for a bigger Club. I guess it just depends how big a Club hypothetically we became ourselves. If a Coach had nurtured and grown with the team and Club and felt it was 'their 'home' I guess you never know what could happen. On the subject of Everton itself what if they had got relegated and still came calling even though we looked like we could become a success ourselves and he still hurried off and left us in the lurch? Anyways, as usual just my humble opinion. |
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Post by stokief on Oct 3, 2024 14:49:48 GMT
Walters or Coates not giving Schuey any explanation other than "you're fired and we are going in another direction" is extremely poor and unprofessional. Aside from lacking basic human decency and empathy, it doesn't give Schuey any chance to reflect, grow and develop as a professional. Schuey is showing a lot of strength and emotional maturity to be open to such feedback. He seems far more mature and grown up than those he reported to! What's to stop them from doing this to Pelach or any future member of the coaching staff or players?! It paints the club in a very bad light if they treat employees so badly. Stoke will definitely be fishing in a smaller pool, recruiting different types of coaches and players - more mercenary than ever and ready to jump ship at the first opportunity that seems a bit better. We will probably have to pay higher wages and fees to compensate for the senior management instability and BS that's there for all to see. Regardless of how Pelach fares with results, Walters and Coates are definitely make it signifcantly harder for the club to be successful than is necessary. The club's reputation is clearly a shambles run by clowns, where they treat employees like sh*t, is there for all to see! Or you're only hearing one side of the story?? |
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Post by i1da on Oct 3, 2024 15:09:58 GMT
Doesn't make for great reading that. Why? Man gets fired for not living up to the expectations of the boss. Man is angry. Man asks why? Boss says I’m not arguing about it today. If you like I’ll discuss areas you might improve in a few weeks. Why do people immediately assume the club has done wrong? Now if they kicked him out and refused to pay up his long expensive contract …….. there might be a complaint to be made. |
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 3, 2024 15:29:30 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0jv8qkp01:50 Steven Schumacher on leaving Stoke 05:40 Schumacher: ‘I still haven’t had a full explanation’ 10:30 Schumacher reveals his dream job Well... looks like he didn't sign an NDA at least! |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 3, 2024 15:41:37 GMT
I liked Schumacher here and was very disappointed with the sacking, but criticising your ex-employers after just leaving isn't the best look, especially over being a week late in giving feedback. That's hardly criminal.
And say we're promotion contenders towards the end of this season or even next, I think Pelach seems far more likely to leave if we're successful than Schumacher would have been. Schumacher seems a pretty straight talker, had some loyalty, and genuinely seemed to feel like he was building something here. He would've left for Everton but most other Premiership bottom-halfers, I'm not so sure. Only he'd know for certain if an opportunity came up of course!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 3, 2024 16:13:48 GMT
I liked Schumacher here and was very disappointed with the sacking, but criticising your ex-employers after just leaving isn't the best look, especially over being a week late in giving feedback. That's hardly criminal. And say we're promotion contenders towards the end of this season or even next, I think Pelach seems far more likely to leave if we're successful than Schumacher would have been. Schumacher seems a pretty straight talker, had some loyalty, and genuinely seemed to feel like he was building something here. He would've left for Everton but most other Premiership bottom-halfers, I'm not so sure. Only he'd know for certain if an opportunity came up of course! You mean like he stayed loyal to Plymouth when Coates unleashed the dong? I was a bit shocked at Schumachers sacking and I’m still not 100% convinced by Pelach but we are where we are. But please stop with this deification of Schumacher. He was just as much a hired hand as the next man and would have jumped ship at the first sign of Premier League interest. And rightly so. It’s a cut throat dog eat dog business. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 3, 2024 16:22:10 GMT
Jesus. It’s because you were shit Schumacher!
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Post by Goonie on Oct 3, 2024 16:25:15 GMT
Out of curiosity:
Would we have done that (6-1) under Shuey McFee?
No way of ever knowing of course
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 3, 2024 17:15:48 GMT
I liked Schumacher here and was very disappointed with the sacking, but criticising your ex-employers after just leaving isn't the best look, especially over being a week late in giving feedback. That's hardly criminal. And say we're promotion contenders towards the end of this season or even next, I think Pelach seems far more likely to leave if we're successful than Schumacher would have been. Schumacher seems a pretty straight talker, had some loyalty, and genuinely seemed to feel like he was building something here. He would've left for Everton but most other Premiership bottom-halfers, I'm not so sure. Only he'd know for certain if an opportunity came up of course! You mean like he stayed loyal to Plymouth when Coates unleashed the dong? I was a bit shocked at Schumachers sacking and I’m still not 100% convinced by Pelach but we are where we are. But please stop with this deification of Schumacher. He was just as much a hired hand as the next man and would have jumped ship at the first sign of Premier League interest. And rightly so. It’s a cut throat dog eat dog business. Schumacher had previous opportunities to leave Plymouth for 'bigger' clubs. No deification from me! That's a word that's scarily close to defecation. |
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Post by pottermost on Oct 3, 2024 17:48:46 GMT
Doesn't make for great reading that. Why? Man gets fired for not living up to the expectations of the boss. Man is angry. Man asks why? Boss says I’m not arguing about it today. If you like I’ll discuss areas you might improve in a few weeks. Why do people immediately assume the club has done wrong? Now if they kicked him out and refused to pay up his long expensive contract …….. there might be a complaint to be made. Treating others with decency is pretty fundamental to being a professional no? It strikes me that JW hasn't matured in the way that you would hope someone in a role like this would have done. Offering someone a post sacking feedback session is disrespectful, more to the point, it betrays an astonishing amount of naievity to even make such a suggestion. Who in their right mind would want to sit and hear why their old boss binned them off? And that's aside from the fact that we all know JW has been dreaming of appointing NP throughout SS's tenure, as he made apparent in the interview he gave post sacking. It seems very amateurish. Tbf though I have never liked JW outside of his playing for stoke. Something between the nicking out of his mates pockets at Blackburn, the ridiculous Roy Keane drama and his endorsement of the Tories makes me think he's not the bloke to represent our club at this level. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 3, 2024 17:51:04 GMT
You mean like he stayed loyal to Plymouth when Coates unleashed the dong? I was a bit shocked at Schumachers sacking and I’m still not 100% convinced by Pelach but we are where we are. But please stop with this deification of Schumacher. He was just as much a hired hand as the next man and would have jumped ship at the first sign of Premier League interest. And rightly so. It’s a cut throat dog eat dog business. Schumacher had previous opportunities to leave Plymouth for 'bigger' clubs. No deification from me! That's a word that's scarily close to defecation. It wasn’t specifically aimed at you mate just the general mood on this thread. I had to look it up but you can’t pass on the opportunity to throw a word like that into a post on the Oatie can you? |
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Post by stokief on Oct 3, 2024 18:03:29 GMT
Why? Man gets fired for not living up to the expectations of the boss. Man is angry. Man asks why? Boss says I’m not arguing about it today. If you like I’ll discuss areas you might improve in a few weeks. Why do people immediately assume the club has done wrong? Now if they kicked him out and refused to pay up his long expensive contract …….. there might be a complaint to be made. Treating others with decency is pretty fundamental to being a professional no? It strikes me that JW hasn't matured in the way that you would hope someone in a role like this would have done. Offering someone a post sacking feedback session is disrespectful, more to the point, it betrays an astonishing amount of naievity to even make such a suggestion. Who in their right mind would want to sit and hear why their old boss binned them off? And that's aside from the fact that we all know JW has been dreaming of appointing NP throughout SS's tenure, as he made apparent in the interview he gave post sacking. It seems very amateurish. Tbf though I have never liked JW outside of his playing for stoke. Something between the nicking out of his mates pockets at Blackburn, the ridiculous Royal Keane drama and his endorsement of the Tories makes me think he's not the bloke to represent our club at this level Well hold on a sec, didn't SS say he was angry at the time, we don't know HOW angry but quite possibly JW IS mature enough to not want some loud ding-dong going off being heard all through the corridors of Clayton Wood or wherever for everyone's sake. We've heard one side of the story from SS. He also said he wanted to know the reasons there and then, again , maybe not quite the atmosphere to have that conversation depending on people's moods and reactions, behaviour. I don't know, I wasn't there BUT you're saying who in their right mind would want to sit and hear why they'd been binned off? Apparently SS did. He says it in his interview. It's a terrible thing losing your job and I appreciate that he's stunned . Usually better to let the dust settle, take stock and then make your comments IMHO but what do I know,as many on here keep telling me. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant at Stoke City, JW etc  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 3, 2024 18:13:19 GMT
Can’t understand the fuss
Second / third rate Stoke manager gets binned with a payoff most of us could only dream of in Less than a year
Go back a few years the same fans we’re probably blaming the club for not getting rid of managers early enough
Seems to me the biggest fuss seems to be people’s irrational dislike of Walters
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 3, 2024 18:14:32 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 3, 2024 18:22:35 GMT
Why? Man gets fired for not living up to the expectations of the boss. Man is angry. Man asks why? Boss says I’m not arguing about it today. If you like I’ll discuss areas you might improve in a few weeks. Why do people immediately assume the club has done wrong? Now if they kicked him out and refused to pay up his long expensive contract …….. there might be a complaint to be made. Treating others with decency is pretty fundamental to being a professional no? It strikes me that JW hasn't matured in the way that you would hope someone in a role like this would have done. Offering someone a post sacking feedback session is disrespectful, more to the point, it betrays an astonishing amount of naievity to even make such a suggestion. Who in their right mind would want to sit and hear why their old boss binned them off? And that's aside from the fact that we all know JW has been dreaming of appointing NP throughout SS's tenure, as he made apparent in the interview he gave post sacking. It seems very amateurish. Tbf though I have never liked JW outside of his playing for stoke. Something between the nicking out of his mates pockets at Blackburn, the ridiculous Roy Keane drama and his endorsement of the Tories makes me think he's not the bloke to represent our club at this level. So only non tories should be DOF at Stoke?🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by premieraj on Oct 3, 2024 18:24:48 GMT
Maybe they just think Narcis is a better coach….end of? Time will of course tell! |
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Post by pottermost on Oct 3, 2024 18:49:36 GMT
Treating others with decency is pretty fundamental to being a professional no? It strikes me that JW hasn't matured in the way that you would hope someone in a role like this would have done. Offering someone a post sacking feedback session is disrespectful, more to the point, it betrays an astonishing amount of naievity to even make such a suggestion. Who in their right mind would want to sit and hear why their old boss binned them off? And that's aside from the fact that we all know JW has been dreaming of appointing NP throughout SS's tenure, as he made apparent in the interview he gave post sacking. It seems very amateurish. Tbf though I have never liked JW outside of his playing for stoke. Something between the nicking out of his mates pockets at Blackburn, the ridiculous Royal Keane drama and his endorsement of the Tories makes me think he's not the bloke to represent our club at this level Well hold on a sec, didn't SS say he was angry at the time, we don't know HOW angry but quite possibly JW IS mature enough to not want some loud ding-dong going off being heard all through the corridors of Clayton Wood or wherever for everyone's sake. We've heard one side of the story from SS. He also said he wanted to know the reasons there and then, again , maybe not quite the atmosphere to have that conversation depending on people's moods and reactions, behaviour. I don't know, I wasn't there BUT you're saying who in their right mind would want to sit and hear why they'd been binned off? Apparently SS did. He says it in his interview. It's a terrible thing losing your job and I appreciate that he's stunned . Usually better to let the dust settle, take stock and then make your comments IMHO but what do I know,as many on here keep telling me. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant at Stoke City, JW etc These are all fair points. You're right that a debrief over a sacking is going to be awkward if held at Clayton Wood. That said, it is hard for me to get past the evidence that JW had his man already, that man wasn't SS, meaning that whatever debrief SS was being offered would almost certainly have consisted of platitudes of the kind which probably wouldn't be helpful for SS or anyone's development as a young coach or any other role really. Maybe it's the case that SS feels he has to say that he wants feedback because he doesn't want to seem like a prick, but in truth he knows the score that NP was obviously lined up in the background etc. so we end up with this performance about a convo that nobody really ever wanted to have in the first instance... I could be totally wrong here and JW has actually been sat there like some arch pragmatist, obsessively fiending over the data in a bid to try and make SS work at stoke. It just seems way more likely that as a poster on another thread put it, he's been basically twiddling his thumbs waiting to pull an ace out of his pocket, and this pretending that it was otherwise has ended up embarrassing for everyone. I don't rant on here all that often but maybe I should lose my inner Pejic more because you're right I do feel better! 😂 |
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Post by pottermost on Oct 3, 2024 19:04:52 GMT
Treating others with decency is pretty fundamental to being a professional no? It strikes me that JW hasn't matured in the way that you would hope someone in a role like this would have done. Offering someone a post sacking feedback session is disrespectful, more to the point, it betrays an astonishing amount of naievity to even make such a suggestion. Who in their right mind would want to sit and hear why their old boss binned them off? And that's aside from the fact that we all know JW has been dreaming of appointing NP throughout SS's tenure, as he made apparent in the interview he gave post sacking. It seems very amateurish. Tbf though I have never liked JW outside of his playing for stoke. Something between the nicking out of his mates pockets at Blackburn, the ridiculous Roy Keane drama and his endorsement of the Tories makes me think he's not the bloke to represent our club at this level. So only non tories should be DOF at Stoke?🤣🤣🤣 I'd have Maggie Thatcher in as masseuse if I thought she'd get a tune out of us! JW comes out with all this salt of the earth stuff that I don't really buy. Plus I just don't like him and am clearly having a moan. Let me off 😭 |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 3, 2024 19:12:28 GMT
Bit of a mardarse isn't he...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 3, 2024 19:33:22 GMT
So only non tories should be DOF at Stoke?🤣🤣🤣 I'd have Maggie Thatcher in as masseuse if I thought she'd get a tune out of us! JW comes out with all this salt of the earth stuff that I don't really buy. Plus I just don't like him and am clearly having a moan. Let me off 😭 Personally I have serious doubts about Walters myself. Just thought it was a bit harsh hammering him for irrelevant political reasons was all 😃 I've got my eye on him though. The whole Schumacher thing has got me suspicious.. |
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 3, 2024 19:34:41 GMT
Walters or Coates not giving Schuey any explanation other than "you're fired and we are going in another direction" is extremely poor and unprofessional. Aside from lacking basic human decency and empathy, it doesn't give Schuey any chance to reflect, grow and develop as a professional. Schuey is showing a lot of strength and emotional maturity to be open to such feedback. He seems far more mature and grown up than those he reported to! What's to stop them from doing this to Pelach or any future member of the coaching staff or players?! It paints the club in a very bad light if they treat employees so badly. Stoke will definitely be fishing in a smaller pool, recruiting different types of coaches and players - more mercenary than ever and ready to jump ship at the first opportunity that seems a bit better. We will probably have to pay higher wages and fees to compensate for the senior management instability and BS that's there for all to see. Regardless of how Pelach fares with results, Walters and Coates are definitely make it signifcantly harder for the club to be successful than is necessary. The club's reputation is clearly a shambles run by clowns, where they treat employees like sh*t, is there for all to see! Calm down. It’s football, harsh as it may seem we’ve not done anything different to what he did to Plymouth. We clearly felt he wasn’t the man to take us forward, just as he felt staying at Plymouth wasn’t the way to progress his career and so left them. I wouldn’t have sacked him but it’s happened, it’s football and he will be fine. He’ll get another job easily and I think he will do well. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 3, 2024 19:37:50 GMT
The fact that they haven't given him a reason after all this time is damning. It shows that either:
1. They know that whatever they say will look like nonsense for a manager who won 7 out of their last 10 games
2. The real reason, JW had his man lined up as soon as he took the job and he can't work with anyone he doesn't personally get on with - is very damning. Also shows how weak JC is to let him get away with it and not reign JW in slightly to be smarter about it e.g. at least wait until results turn or for the start/end of the season etc.
Either option 1 or 2 will cause them more public damage, so they will never give Schuey a reason.
Between them JC and JW have 0 people management skills and are tone deaf. The fact that they couldn't forsee the public damage to the club's reputation they've inflicted and how unstable it shows we are, is damning.
I wish Pelach all the best and hope the team is successful but even if it works out with this huge, unnecesary roll of the dice - Pelach, the coaching staff and players will be lions by donkeys. They are incentivised to be as mercenary as possible as the only thing thing JC has in his favour is that he is rich, but he is clearly a fool that doesn't respect the welfare of his employees.
The coaches and players and and will be off at the very first opportunity as they know the club will stab them in the back whenever they feel like it and that JC/JW can't be trusted.
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 3, 2024 19:40:26 GMT
Walters or Coates not giving Schuey any explanation other than "you're fired and we are going in another direction" is extremely poor and unprofessional. Aside from lacking basic human decency and empathy, it doesn't give Schuey any chance to reflect, grow and develop as a professional. Schuey is showing a lot of strength and emotional maturity to be open to such feedback. He seems far more mature and grown up than those he reported to! What's to stop them from doing this to Pelach or any future member of the coaching staff or players?! It paints the club in a very bad light if they treat employees so badly. Stoke will definitely be fishing in a smaller pool, recruiting different types of coaches and players - more mercenary than ever and ready to jump ship at the first opportunity that seems a bit better. We will probably have to pay higher wages and fees to compensate for the senior management instability and BS that's there for all to see. Regardless of how Pelach fares with results, Walters and Coates are definitely make it signifcantly harder for the club to be successful than is necessary. The club's reputation is clearly a shambles run by clowns, where they treat employees like sh*t, is there for all to see! Calm down. It’s football, harsh as it may seem we’ve not done anything different to what he did to Plymouth. We clearly felt he wasn’t the man to take us forward, just as he felt staying at Plymouth wasn’t the way to progress his career and so left them. I wouldn’t have sacked him but it’s happened, it’s football and he will be fine. He’ll get another job easily and I think he will do well. I don't condone how he left Plymouth and that's why he split the Plymouth fanbase with his decision. At least in that case there were obvious, understandable reasons like someone flying down with a huge bag of cash and doubling or tripling your salary! Still don't think he should have left when and how he did, but its history now. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Oct 3, 2024 19:43:25 GMT
Not great that. If you’re going to bin someone off for whatever reason then you owe them an explanation there and then. |
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Post by firfuxache on Oct 3, 2024 19:54:43 GMT
Is there any truth in a rumour that apparently we approached 2 managers in the summer to replace Schumacher but both turned the role down? If not heard anything until a guy at work mentioned it earlier in the week.
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