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Post by strettonstokie on Nov 30, 2024 11:34:21 GMT
You distain for JW and anyone he appoints is becoming boring. How many posts, same attack just different wording. If you’re that anti JW simply withdraw your support for the club in protest, stop trying to convince others and bide your time to say “I told you so” if and when that day comes. Why should anyone withdraw their support from the club because we've got Walters running things? He'll be gone soon anyway. i really cant see it |
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Post by strettonstokie on Nov 30, 2024 11:34:57 GMT
Moran was already here before deadline day when we were still trying to sign cundle. Getting these unknown players in over more experienced players looking back now is even more idiotic that I remembered at the time Is it? Much rather watch Moran than Laurent myself hit or miss for me, much prefer cundle |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 30, 2024 11:42:17 GMT
Why should anyone withdraw their support from the club because we've got Walters running things? He'll be gone soon anyway. Agenda 2 No agenda mate. I want Stoke to succeed massively. Unfortunately, Walters is not the man to take us forward and I honestly don't think Pelach will either. You've only got to look at current style of play and the performances of most of the players, who I believe are deteriorating. Anyway, let's hope we can grab 3 points today and play a bit of decent stuff. We certainly can't be any worse than we were against Preston. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 30, 2024 11:45:15 GMT
Why should anyone withdraw their support from the club because we've got Walters running things? He'll be gone soon anyway. i really cant see it I guess only time will tell mate. I don't see anything improving at the moment. One thing is for sure, we can't continue sacking managers. It will only upset the dressing room and we need some level of consistency. |
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Post by strettonstokie on Nov 30, 2024 11:48:00 GMT
I guess only time will tell mate. I don't see anything improving at the moment. One thing is for sure, we can't continue sacking managers. It will only upset the dressing room and we need some level of consistency. I agree mate but I don't think it would of been any different under Steve, the recruitment was poor it's as simple as that |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 30, 2024 11:51:42 GMT
I guess only time will tell mate. I don't see anything improving at the moment. One thing is for sure, we can't continue sacking managers. It will only upset the dressing room and we need some level of consistency. I agree mate but I don't think it would of been any different under Steve, the recruitment was poor it's as simple as that That's something that we'll never know mate. |
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Post by spoton on Nov 30, 2024 11:51:46 GMT
No agenda mate. I want Stoke to succeed massively. Unfortunately, Walters is not the man to take us forward and I honestly don't think Pelach will either. You've only got to look at current style of play and the performances of most of the players, who I believe are deteriorating. Anyway, let's hope we can grab 3 points today and play a bit of decent stuff. We certainly can't be any worse than we were against Preston. Totally agree couldn't understand the love in with Walters when he took over it was only a way of the chairman taking the easy route out to pass the buck,I'm still hoping that JC will have a conscious and except he's incapable of running a football club and really get a professional team in, only then may we have a (manager/coach) who can really do a job |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 30, 2024 11:52:13 GMT
I guess only time will tell mate. I don't see anything improving at the moment. One thing is for sure, we can't continue sacking managers. It will only upset the dressing room and we need some level of consistency. I agree mate but I don't think it would of been any different under Steve, the recruitment was poor it's as simple as that You really believe SS would have produced football as boring as we are watching? I find it very hard to even imagine he'd have only won 3 out of the last 13 games. It's neither effective or entertaining and simply caters for people who can't deal with losing. It's not just boring it's boring by design. |
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Post by PottersBrim on Nov 30, 2024 11:52:47 GMT
It's already here. How wank does it have to get before he's removed?? Be a man of principle, withdraw any support you have for the club (that’s if in fact you do actually support SCFC), vote with your feet in protest. Cease your incessant and repeated personal self opinionated views of JW as an individual. Let others decide and constructively debate his success or otherwise on behalf of Stoke City as time goes by. My opinion comes from Walter’s subpar recruitment and our inexperienced Director of Football trying to secure his role by appointing an equally inexperienced Head Coach. Ultimately, my real issue is with Jon Coates for letting it happen. But having these opinions doesn't mean anyone should need to withdraw their support unless blind loyalty is the only requirement. |
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Post by strettonstokie on Nov 30, 2024 11:58:46 GMT
I agree mate but I don't think it would of been any different under Steve, the recruitment was poor it's as simple as that You really believe SS would have produced football as boring as we are watching? I find it very hard to even imagine he'd have only won 3 out of the last 13 games. It's neither effective or entertaining and simply caters for people who can't deal with losing. It's not just boring it's boring by design. As I said at the time of his sacking was I shocked? Yes but was I upset? and the answer was no. It wasn't fantastic under SS and I think points wise we might be worse off if he was still manager. Again that is down to the recruitment not so much as the manager |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 30, 2024 12:09:05 GMT
You really believe SS would have produced football as boring as we are watching? I find it very hard to even imagine he'd have only won 3 out of the last 13 games. It's neither effective or entertaining and simply caters for people who can't deal with losing. It's not just boring it's boring by design. As I said at the time of his sacking was I shocked? Yes but was I upset? and the answer was no. It wasn't fantastic under SS and I think points wise we might be worse off if he was still manager. Again that is down to the recruitment not so much as the manager I was neither surprised or upset I thought it needed to happen. You can't run an organisation on two sets of conflicting beliefs working against each other and to me it was clear that was what was going on. The direction since the change of HC tells you all you need to know. They removed a HC with a very respectable win percentage for one who's focus is on not losing. If you like risk adverse football it will appeal to you, for me it's like sticking pins in your eyes. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Nov 30, 2024 12:46:13 GMT
As I said at the time of his sacking was I shocked? Yes but was I upset? and the answer was no. It wasn't fantastic under SS and I think points wise we might be worse off if he was still manager. Again that is down to the recruitment not so much as the manager I was neither surprised or upset I thought it needed to happen. You can't run an organisation on two sets of conflicting beliefs working against each other and to me it was clear that was what was going on. The direction since the change of HC tells you all you need to know. They removed a HC with a very respectable win percentage for one who's focus is on not losing. If you like risk adverse football it will appeal to you, for me it's like sticking pins in your eyes. The first thing the manager needs to do, coming into a club like this, is to make us hard to beat. So, while it is a bit boring now, we’re not going to transform from the definition of mediocre (with a few good performances chucked in along the way), into a free flowing attacking side that blows up the league. At least not with these players anyway. This manager looks like he has a plan, and in the same way we should be patient with young players, so we should with a young manager. For me, patience is important at this stage, but also glad we’ve hired someone with potential like him. |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 30, 2024 13:03:57 GMT
I was neither surprised or upset I thought it needed to happen. You can't run an organisation on two sets of conflicting beliefs working against each other and to me it was clear that was what was going on. The direction since the change of HC tells you all you need to know. They removed a HC with a very respectable win percentage for one who's focus is on not losing. If you like risk adverse football it will appeal to you, for me it's like sticking pins in your eyes. So, while it is a bit boring now, we’re not going to transform from the definition of mediocre (with a few good performances chucked in along the way), into a free flowing attacking side that blows up the league. At least not with these players anyway. This manager looks like he has a plan, and in the same way we should be patient with young players, so we should with a young manager. For me, patience is important at this stage, but also glad we’ve hired someone with potential like him. Say's who people who can't deal with losing. I'd much rather watch a team lose trying to win than a team who's afraid to push too hard for the win for fear of losing. It's boring because it's boring by design it's risk adverse football. How will the method evolve when it relies on getting most/all of your players behind the ball and passively flooding your own box. In short I agree he has a plan and it's a really boring one which doesn't result in winning many games. I might have hope that having time to reflect after his previous HC role he might have concluded that winning was more important and he needed to take more risks to win more games. Very very few HC's draw more games than they win or lose. Given his conviction in what he believes in I don't know whether he can improve his win percentage but even if he does I'm pretty certain it will remain extremely boring. |
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Post by PottersBrim on Nov 30, 2024 13:15:03 GMT
I was neither surprised or upset I thought it needed to happen. You can't run an organisation on two sets of conflicting beliefs working against each other and to me it was clear that was what was going on. The direction since the change of HC tells you all you need to know. They removed a HC with a very respectable win percentage for one who's focus is on not losing. If you like risk adverse football it will appeal to you, for me it's like sticking pins in your eyes. The first thing the manager needs to do, coming into a club like this, is to make us hard to beat. So, while it is a bit boring now, we’re not going to transform from the definition of mediocre (with a few good performances chucked in along the way), into a free flowing attacking side that blows up the league. At least not with these players anyway. This manager looks like he has a plan, and in the same way we should be patient with young players, so we should with a young manager. For me, patience is important at this stage, but also glad we’ve hired someone with potential like him. Based on recent results, it's clear we've been tough to beat. However, I'd attribute that more to the outstanding form of our goalkeeper than any tactical plan from Pelach. It's rarely a positive sign when your goalkeeper is the man of the match, and even more concerning when he earns that award more games than not. |
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 30, 2024 13:17:03 GMT
I agree mate but I don't think it would of been any different under Steve, the recruitment was poor it's as simple as that You really believe SS would have produced football as boring as we are watching? I find it very hard to even imagine he'd have only won 3 out of the last 13 games. It's neither effective or entertaining and simply caters for people who can't deal with losing. It's not just boring it's boring by design. We had plenty of absolutely terrible games under Schumacher and you’re rewriting history if you say we didn’t |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 30, 2024 13:19:55 GMT
You really believe SS would have produced football as boring as we are watching? I find it very hard to even imagine he'd have only won 3 out of the last 13 games. It's neither effective or entertaining and simply caters for people who can't deal with losing. It's not just boring it's boring by design. We had plenty of absolutely terrible games under Schumacher and you’re rewriting history if you say we didn’t Of course we did we also won more often to compensate. look at the two mens career records. One draws more than he wins or loses the other tends to win or lose and draws few. I know which set of games I'd prefer to watch everytime. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 30, 2024 13:21:38 GMT
Deliberately setting him up to fail 😂😂😂 Walters the cross between Dick Dastastdly and Machiavelli…..slinking in the shadows plotting the downfall of Stoke managers. 😂😂😂😂 If he was so sure SS was the wrong man he should have had the guts to sack him before the summer transfer window opened but he was more interested in getting his feet more firmly under the table and building his dominance of the club and recruiting for a different ideology. Yet another instance where Walters byword "character" is shown to be hypocrisy of the highest order. Anyway he's got what he wanted god only knows who aspired to this. Absolutely delusional. Conjecture and paranoia of the highest order. As usual. |
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Post by bertiestan on Nov 30, 2024 13:40:55 GMT
If he was so sure SS was the wrong man he should have had the guts to sack him before the summer transfer window opened but he was more interested in getting his feet more firmly under the table and building his dominance of the club and recruiting for a different ideology. Yet another instance where Walters byword "character" is shown to be hypocrisy of the highest order. Anyway he's got what he wanted god only knows who aspired to this. Absolutely delusional. Conjecture and paranoia of the highest order. As usual. He’s a Bayern clone mate…loves himself🔴⚪️ |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 30, 2024 13:41:39 GMT
Today could be really telling. Burnley on a very good run and best defensive record in the league.
We are at home so we need to at least TRY and attack - it wasnt very visible against Preston.
I just cant see us winning or even scoring today. Could be the easist 2 nil away win for Burnley of the season.
Over to Pelach to see if we can create some better attacking patterns
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 30, 2024 13:45:26 GMT
If he was so sure SS was the wrong man he should have had the guts to sack him before the summer transfer window opened but he was more interested in getting his feet more firmly under the table and building his dominance of the club and recruiting for a different ideology. Yet another instance where Walters byword "character" is shown to be hypocrisy of the highest order. Anyway he's got what he wanted god only knows who aspired to this. Absolutely delusional. Conjecture and paranoia of the highest order. As usual. You're wrong mate. I really know what went on but not going to keep going on. What's done is done. I just hope we turn things around quickly. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 30, 2024 13:45:42 GMT
Today could be really telling. Burnley on a very good run and best defensive record in the league. We are at home so we need to at least TRY and attack - it wasnt very visible against Preston. I just cant see us winning or even scoring today. Could be the easist 2 nil away win for Burnley of the season. Over to Pelach to see if we can create some better attacking patterns Yep. Can’t see us scoring today. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 30, 2024 14:24:46 GMT
Very very disappointing line up today guys. Let's hope we manage to give them a game and sneak it!
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Post by stokiekm on Nov 30, 2024 14:38:59 GMT
No agenda mate. I want Stoke to succeed massively. Unfortunately, Walters is not the man to take us forward and I honestly don't think Pelach will either. You've only got to look at current style of play and the performances of most of the players, who I believe are deteriorating. Anyway, let's hope we can grab 3 points today and play a bit of decent stuff. We certainly can't be any worse than we were against Preston. Totally agree couldn't understand the love in with Walters when he took over it was only a way of the chairman taking the easy route out to pass the buck,I'm still hoping that JC will have a conscious and except he's incapable of running a football club and really get a professional team in, only then may we have a (manager/coach) who can really do a job Can you tell us the ins and outs of where Walters failing to do his job? Apologies for asking but as I don't work at the club I don't know how badly he's faring in all areas. Really looking forward to your insight |
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Post by stokiekm on Nov 30, 2024 14:40:56 GMT
Absolutely delusional. Conjecture and paranoia of the highest order. As usual. You're wrong mate. I really know what went on but not going to keep going on. What's done is done. I just hope we turn things around quickly. What a load of bollocks. You know nothing about the goings on. If you did you wouldn't be spouting made up shit on here |
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Post by pavel on Nov 30, 2024 14:42:34 GMT
You're wrong mate. I really know what went on but not going to keep going on. What's done is done. I just hope we turn things around quickly. What a load of bollocks. You know nothing about the goings on. If you did you wouldn't be spouting made up shit on here I think he just might! |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 30, 2024 14:45:44 GMT
This thread is breeding a new generation of PHWs
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 30, 2024 14:46:14 GMT
Totally agree couldn't understand the love in with Walters when he took over it was only a way of the chairman taking the easy route out to pass the buck,I'm still hoping that JC will have a conscious and except he's incapable of running a football club and really get a professional team in, only then may we have a (manager/coach) who can really do a job Can you tell us the ins and outs of where Walters failing to do his job? Apologies for asking but as I don't work at the club I don't know how badly he's faring in all areas. Really looking forward to your insight Simple answer, look at the results and our position. Hardly an endorsement. Walters was an average player with little managerial experience who sacked a manager who had more experience and appointed someone with little or none. Its hardly rocket science to deduce why people are upset |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 30, 2024 14:47:51 GMT
You're wrong mate. I really know what went on but not going to keep going on. What's done is done. I just hope we turn things around quickly. What a load of bollocks. You know nothing about the goings on. If you did you wouldn't be spouting made up shit on here Chill out mate. Please be assured that I know much more than you. By the way, your message doesn't make any sense. |
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Post by stokiekm on Nov 30, 2024 14:51:48 GMT
What a load of bollocks. You know nothing about the goings on. If you did you wouldn't be spouting made up shit on here Chill out mate. Please be assured that I know much more than you. By the way, your message doesn't make any sense. Mate you're still doing it. Just accept that you know nothing or prove what you know. Anyone can say 'you're wrong, I know'... without backing it up with anything. You've given nothing, zip, nada so the obvious assumption is that you're a wum, deluded or a liar. Pretty simple really |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 30, 2024 14:55:02 GMT
Very very disappointing line up today guys. Let's hope we manage to give them a game and sneak it! You wouldn't be saying this if the Head Coachs surname was Schumacher. Where was this when Gooch was put at 10 away at Oxford? You're coming across as quite a bitter individual in recent games, you're better than that fella. |
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