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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 20:41:33 GMT
Watlers position should be in every bit as much jeopardy as Pelach. Employed a coach that doesn't win games and blew the majority of his summer budget on players that don't or barely play. What exactly has he supposed to have done right?? Are you the new Benji ?? No so as I'd noticed. I post in English and what I mean is quite clear. Or is the clarity a problem ?? As in it's clear I don't like this regime?? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:42:46 GMT
I think you just need to chill a bit and see what transpired over the coming months. Once again the squad balance isn’t right and we need to do well in the notoriously awkward transfer market in January. Hopefully he can fill some gaps in our deficiencies. Don't think bringing in more players will change anything, unfortunately I think the coach is to slow in thinking he's making the team play far far to slow out from the back its his way and he won't change it You’re entitled to your opinion. I agree in part but that doesn’t mean it won’t evolve over time. Nobody is expecting a promotion push but some solid groundwork is essential. He’s been here a few months and has very little experience |
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 20:46:47 GMT
Don't think bringing in more players will change anything, unfortunately I think the coach is to slow in thinking he's making the team play far far to slow out from the back its his way and he won't change it You’re entitled to your opinion. I agree in part but that doesn’t mean it won’t evolve over time. Nobody is expecting a promotion push but some solid groundwork is essential. He’s been here a few months and has very little experience I for one was definitely expecting a promotion push and I think that goes for Walters and above, not top two but certainly in the top 6,or are we going down the same path again in lets rebuild again and wait another year and another year |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:49:08 GMT
You’re entitled to your opinion. I agree in part but that doesn’t mean it won’t evolve over time. Nobody is expecting a promotion push but some solid groundwork is essential. He’s been here a few months and has very little experience I for one was definitely expecting a promotion push and I think that goes for Walters and above, not top two but certainly in the top 6,or are we going down the same path again in lets rebuild again and wait another year and another year I understand your point but we can’t keep going through managers and expecting any kind of consistency. He needs time |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 29, 2024 20:54:50 GMT
No so as I'd noticed. I post in English and what I mean is quite clear. Or is the clarity a problem ?? As in it's clear I don't like this regime?? Yeh.. I was being silly obviously. Quite entitled your opinion and you may well be right. I'm just enjoying it at the moment, even the borefest on Tuesday. If this "regime" is a failure then God knows where we go. (other than league one) |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 20:56:23 GMT
You’re entitled to your opinion. I agree in part but that doesn’t mean it won’t evolve over time. Nobody is expecting a promotion push but some solid groundwork is essential. He’s been here a few months and has very little experience I for one was definitely expecting a promotion push and I think that goes for Walters and above, not top two but certainly in the top 6,or are we going down the same path again in lets rebuild again and wait another year and another year Why would you expect a promotion push? We didn't invest heavily in the Summer and most of what we did invest in has not/hardly played. We lost players who were influential in our good end to the season. We sacked a coach who'd won 40% of his games. Get with the programme not losing is the new winning, not conceding is the new scoring, shape is the new flair, boredom the new excitement. JW is the new everything he sacked everyone who was anything before and now he feels nice and secure. |
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 20:57:06 GMT
I for one was definitely expecting a promotion push and I think that goes for Walters and above, not top two but certainly in the top 6,or are we going down the same path again in lets rebuild again and wait another year and another year I understand your point but we can’t keep going through managers and expecting any kind of consistency. He needs time Unfortunately they don't anymore and for a certain fact they shouldn't expect time because he's inexperienced he keeps saying he's knows this league well,,,his words not mine |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 20:57:39 GMT
I for one was definitely expecting a promotion push and I think that goes for Walters and above, not top two but certainly in the top 6,or are we going down the same path again in lets rebuild again and wait another year and another year and expecting any kind of consistency. He needs time That's what I said. I never imagined we'd stick with the shittest. |
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 21:02:09 GMT
I for one was definitely expecting a promotion push and I think that goes for Walters and above, not top two but certainly in the top 6,or are we going down the same path again in lets rebuild again and wait another year and another year Why would you expect a promotion push? We didn't invest heavily in the Summer and most of what we did invest in has not/hardly played. We lost players who were influential in our good end to the season. We sacked a coach who'd won 40% of his games. Get with the programme not losing is the new winning, not conceding is the new scoring, shape is the new flair, boredom the new excitement. JW is the new everything he sacked everyone who was anything before and now he feels nice and secure. Think we invested enough with a striker and our loans to achieve top six in a league which is alot worse than last year, I expected a push from the beginning of the season not from when we had our recent coach |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 21:05:27 GMT
Why would you expect a promotion push? We didn't invest heavily in the Summer and most of what we did invest in has not/hardly played. We lost players who were influential in our good end to the season. We sacked a coach who'd won 40% of his games. Get with the programme not losing is the new winning, not conceding is the new scoring, shape is the new flair, boredom the new excitement. JW is the new everything he sacked everyone who was anything before and now he feels nice and secure. Think we invested enough with a striker and our loans to achieve top six in a league which is alot worse than last year, I expected a push from the beginning of the season not from when we had our recent coach Why would you expect it we're not top 6 net spend. We're not top 6 wage bill. There's hoping and expecting and there are no grounds for your expectation. |
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 21:10:56 GMT
Think we invested enough with a striker and our loans to achieve top six in a league which is alot worse than last year, I expected a push from the beginning of the season not from when we had our recent coach Why would you expect it we're not top 6 net spend. We're not top 6 wage bill. There's hoping and expecting and there are no grounds for your expectation. Sunderland aren't either,you know having a top 6 wage bill doesn't matter ask Ipswich,again I will say I expected top six |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 29, 2024 21:11:27 GMT
I for one was definitely expecting a promotion push and I think that goes for Walters and above, not top two but certainly in the top 6,or are we going down the same path again in lets rebuild again and wait another year and another year Why would you expect a promotion push? We didn't invest heavily in the Summer and most of what we did invest in has not/hardly played. We lost players who were influential in our good end to the season. We sacked a coach who'd won 40% of his games. Get with the programme not losing is the new winning, not conceding is the new scoring, shape is the new flair, boredom the new excitement. JW is the new everything he sacked everyone who was anything before and now he feels nice and secure. You distain for JW and anyone he appoints is becoming boring. How many posts, same attack just different wording. If you’re that anti JW simply withdraw your support for the club in protest, stop trying to convince others and bide your time to say “I told you so” if and when that day comes. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2024 21:11:41 GMT
Think we invested enough with a striker and our loans to achieve top six in a league which is alot worse than last year, I expected a push from the beginning of the season not from when we had our recent coach Why would you expect it we're not top 6 net spend. We're not top 6 wage bill. There's hoping and expecting and there are no grounds for your expectation. Where are in the Championship wage bill now? |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 21:14:16 GMT
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 21:16:05 GMT
Wage bill doesn't make a promotion team |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 21:16:43 GMT
Why would you expect a promotion push? We didn't invest heavily in the Summer and most of what we did invest in has not/hardly played. We lost players who were influential in our good end to the season. We sacked a coach who'd won 40% of his games. Get with the programme not losing is the new winning, not conceding is the new scoring, shape is the new flair, boredom the new excitement. JW is the new everything he sacked everyone who was anything before and now he feels nice and secure. You distain for JW and anyone he appoints is becoming boring. How many posts, same attack just different wording. If you’re that anti JW simply withdraw your support for the club in protest, stop trying to convince others and bide your time to say “I told you so” if and when that day comes. It's already here. How wank does it have to get before he's removed?? |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 21:18:14 GMT
Wage bill doesn't make a promotion team It's quite probably the best guide there is. Don't judge everyone else by our record the teams with most resources dominate the promotion places. |
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 21:19:17 GMT
You distain for JW and anyone he appoints is becoming boring. How many posts, same attack just different wording. If you’re that anti JW simply withdraw your support for the club in protest, stop trying to convince others and bide your time to say “I told you so” if and when that day comes. It's already here. How wank does it have to get before he's removed??[/quote Probably the same as SS both are as wank has each other |
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2024 21:21:28 GMT
Wage bill doesn't make a promotion team It's not definitive but there's been studies in the past that show that most seasons the wage bill table and the actual table are very similar I think it's more of a thing in the Premier League though |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 21:31:18 GMT
Why would you expect it we're not top 6 net spend. We're not top 6 wage bill. There's hoping and expecting and there are no grounds for your expectation. Sunderland aren't either,you know having a top 6 wage bill doesn't matter ask Ipswich,again I will say I expected top six Then you're a bit of a plonker. I very much doubt Ipswich expected a top 6 finish and I don't suppose Sunderland expect one now. As I said we all hope for these things, it's a pretty shit competition when you don't (prem). Expectations should be based in evidence and neither you, Ipswich or Sunderland have/had any evidence on which to base your expectations. |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Nov 29, 2024 21:37:08 GMT
My God we have some right wankers following this club
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 21:42:42 GMT
Sunderland aren't either,you know having a top 6 wage bill doesn't matter ask Ipswich,again I will say I expected top six Then you're a bit of a plonker. I very much doubt Ipswich expected a top 6 finish and I don't suppose Sunderland expect one now. As I said we all hope for these things, it's a pretty shit competition when you don't (prem). Expectations should be based in evidence and neither you, Ipswich or Sunderland have/had any evidence on which to base your expectations. [/quote That's where you are a plonker because the Sunderland fans I know expected to be in top six after last year even though they lost their best player,I never said ipswich expected a top six what it says that you don't have to invest heavily or have the top wage bill to be in the top six,we have had two very poor managers/coaches what ever you call them and we will probably only agree that people or persons above them are making terrible decisions |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 29, 2024 22:32:45 GMT
You distain for JW and anyone he appoints is becoming boring. How many posts, same attack just different wording. If you’re that anti JW simply withdraw your support for the club in protest, stop trying to convince others and bide your time to say “I told you so” if and when that day comes. It's already here. How wank does it have to get before he's removed?? Be a man of principle, withdraw any support you have for the club (that’s if in fact you do actually support SCFC), vote with your feet in protest. Cease your incessant and repeated personal self opinionated views of JW as an individual. Let others decide and constructively debate his success or otherwise on behalf of Stoke City as time goes by. |
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Post by PottersBrim on Nov 29, 2024 22:59:23 GMT
It's already here. How wank does it have to get before he's removed?? Be a man of principle, withdraw any support you have for the club (that’s if in fact you do actually support SCFC), vote with your feet in protest. Cease your incessant and repeated personal self opinionated views of JW as an individual. Let others decide and constructively debate his success or otherwise on behalf of Stoke City as time goes by. You wanted Cartwright out so, as a ‘man of principle’, I assume you withdrew all support for the club during his time as Technical Director? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 29, 2024 23:33:08 GMT
Be a man of principle, withdraw any support you have for the club (that’s if in fact you do actually support SCFC), vote with your feet in protest. Cease your incessant and repeated personal self opinionated views of JW as an individual. Let others decide and constructively debate his success or otherwise on behalf of Stoke City as time goes by. You wanted Cartwright out so, as a ‘man of principle’, I assume you withdrew all support for the club during his time as Technical Director? I quite rightly showed my disdain for Cartwright, his performance as Technical Director, his ties to an agency and ex employer and his part in the downfall in Stoke City. It was balanced and factual over a considerable period of time. Perhaps you have a different glorious reflection of his tenure There’s a significant difference if you wish to compare personal sniping v factual non performance |
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Post by thornestein on Nov 30, 2024 7:14:43 GMT
Don't think bringing in more players will change anything, unfortunately I think the coach is to slow in thinking he's making the team play far far to slow out from the back its his way and he won't change it You’re entitled to your opinion. I agree in part but that doesn’t mean it won’t evolve over time. Nobody is expecting a promotion push but some solid groundwork is essential. He’s been here a few months and has very little experience that where the problem lies , he has very little experience, trouble is he’s not learning from his mistakes either , we let team have to many shots and weak as piss in midfield every game |
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Post by george2again on Nov 30, 2024 7:35:57 GMT
I think if we could see some way of playing a system being developed and the players buying into it that would be progress. Losing a game but playing pretty well and see the roots of how we’re going to play would be acceptable. None of this is really happening. We’re awful to watch( even when winning( Blackburn) and bar Preston and Millwall have been out footballed by most teams this season. If this was an English coach knives would be out.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2024 7:59:37 GMT
My God we have some right wankers following this club Is there a mirror somewhere for you to look into? I'm just saying that if you don't wish to contribute to a discussion, maybe don't go around offending people? I read this discussion and if I could get rid of the personal insults it was relative to stoke city, therefore apt for a stoke city discussion board. The offensive attitudes however didn't add anything to the discussion. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Nov 30, 2024 8:23:56 GMT
You can't ignore the stat of 1 defeat in 10. That is very telling. We are at least difficult to beat, which is something.
You also can't ignore the flat and uninspiring performances we've seen to date. I know he hasn't had a chance to start shaping a squad in his own vision yet, however we are told (rather incessantly) how amazing he is as a coach, how inspiring he is and how meticulous and hard working he is on the training ground and in his preparation. And then we have to sit and watch that diabolical dirge midweek and you're left wondering if he's the emperors new clothes.
Another relevant take would be the inspiring form of Johnasson. How many points has he been worth so far. 5, maybe 6? People will say he's just doing his job (easy Roy Keane), but he has been playing absolutely out of his skin. There's been games where he has absolutely been the difference between us getting 1 point and 0 (or 3 instead of 1). Without those 5 or 6 points he's been worth, that puts us in the bottom 3. Which is probably a fair reflection of how the outfield 10 have collectively performed to date.
Burger and Junho have especially been disappointing. And Manhoef has started to go that way too. The defence can often take some of the focus and criticism (Gibson, Junior, Wilmott etc) however we should be more concerned with those in midfield and attacking areas.
We're ticking along nicely and results are OK. Performances on the whole have been average with some fleeting positive signs but also lots of poor periods where we have looked fairly woeful and devoid of any ideas.
That being said, I'm fully expecting a 4 nil home win today. Up the Mighty Potters.
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Post by strettonstokie on Nov 30, 2024 8:43:05 GMT
I think it's obvious that the recruitment team have let us down this year, yes Vik is the bargain of the century and cannon will score goals but the rest of them are really no better what what left and to be honest probably worse than whet left
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