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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 27, 2024 8:52:12 GMT
with this shower of a squad Pep would struggle to get anything out of them Goalkeeper is a good un Defence is crap and has been for years Midfield is lightweight and poor Attack what attack and folk keep saying change the manager like that has worked well for us JC along with Rowett started this freefall and his clueless in getting a decent manager in missed the boat when we could have got Potter
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Post by robstokie on Oct 27, 2024 8:55:02 GMT
I wouldn't say it was a terrible start Fish, he's had a thumping win, credible draws against Swansea, Norwich & Bristol City, couple of disappointing defeats, but all in all not terrible 🤔 It's been one win against a team that looked beyond woeful, then 6 absolutely dreadful performances, in a handful of which we have snuck a point through a combination of dreadful finishing from the opposition and Super Vik pulling off continued heroics in goal. We look toothless up front, reactive and disjointed in midfield and an absolute shambles defensively. We are due an absolute dicking, someones going to turn up and batter us senseless. Pelach is clearly out of his depth - if he had done any homework on our current squad and our failings over the last how many years, then he would have surely realised that we don't have the players for or the appetite as a fan base for tippy tappy possession based football (unless you are Man City or Barcelona it's fucking shit to watch and ineffective unless you have players who are far superior technically compared to your opposition). The only reason he got the job is because he's Walters nodding dog and will be the first one to put out to pasture as soon as the questions get asked of Walters.
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Post by sticky on Oct 27, 2024 8:56:39 GMT
We’ve been flirting with relegation for years now, and I just think it’s inevitable that we’ll go down at some point. And to be quite honest I think it’s needed to completely change everything at the club. Might as well just leave Pelach in charge and see what happens, do people think if he’s replaced things will be any different?
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Post by jm on Oct 27, 2024 8:57:01 GMT
I wouldn't say it was a terrible start Fish, he's had a thumping win, credible draws against Swansea, Norwich & Bristol City, couple of disappointing defeats, but all in all not terrible 🤔 Exactly this - certainly nothing as bad as Oxford away or Watford away. The team was going nowhere with SS at the helm
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Post by jm on Oct 27, 2024 8:59:19 GMT
I wouldn't say it was a terrible start Fish, he's had a thumping win, credible draws against Swansea, Norwich & Bristol City, couple of disappointing defeats, but all in all not terrible 🤔 Can you see us getting a win in the next 3 games? I don't think we will mate. Pressure will be piled on then. We seem to be plummeting and the Bristol city game can hardly be called credible. It was disastrous. so how many points would we be on with SS at the helm right now?
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Post by lordb on Oct 27, 2024 9:03:14 GMT
Can you see us getting a win in the next 3 games? I don't think we will mate. Pressure will be piled on then. We seem to be plummeting and the Bristol city game can hardly be called credible. It was disastrous. so how many points would we be on with SS at the helm right now? More points We had won 7 out 10 We are now 1 in 7 Suspect any defeats would have been horrible ones but we would have more wins
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 27, 2024 9:04:38 GMT
Can you see us getting a win in the next 3 games? I don't think we will mate. Pressure will be piled on then. We seem to be plummeting and the Bristol city game can hardly be called credible. It was disastrous. so how many points would we be on with SS at the helm right now? Bit of a silly question but I'd say we'd probably have more points than we have. I've said a few times that the sacking had an adverse effect on the dressing room. I really want Pelach to succeed but it's going to be very difficult with SJW in such a powerful position. Time will tell I suppose but I can't see Pelach being here at Christmas. It's all very depressing.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 27, 2024 9:16:24 GMT
We’ve been flirting with relegation for years now, and I just think it’s inevitable that we’ll go down at some point. And to be quite honest I think it’s needed to completely change everything at the club. Might as well just leave Pelach in charge and see what happens, do people think if he’s replaced things will be any different? Replacing Pelach will not make any difference whatsoever. We need to stick with him because another change in coach will destroy us for certain. We need a complete overhaul at senior management level. Coates must act quickly because relegation is not too far away.
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Post by bjarnig on Oct 27, 2024 9:19:00 GMT
We simply don't have the players. They are weak and don't move the ball fast enough. I don't know who has actually signed every player but whoever made the decisions clearly knows little about football at this level. Not one player would be premier league ready so that's a problem straight away. If you have ambition to get promoted then you need better players. I wasn't a fan of Schumacher as a tactician and I feel the same with Pelach, but in fairness to both what a shower they had/have to work with. You turn up for training and are greeted by Junior, Gibson, Thompson etc; all should be at Hanley Town.
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Post by malisastokie on Oct 27, 2024 9:20:42 GMT
I would not have sacked SS because of the reason I would not sack NP.
The only manager since relegation that had a reasonable length of tenure was MON.
MON should have never sacked either , he operated in an environment where no investment could be made and inherited the the squad built by Rowett and Jones.
We have gone from a club that is managers dream of stability during the Pulis and Hughes era.
Give NP the transfer window and the rest of the season.
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If he fails . 3 need to fall on their sword NP , JW and JC needs needs to hire a MD and get in back ground and continue to find the club he loves but can’t lead
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Post by Waggy on Oct 27, 2024 9:24:56 GMT
I feel desperately sorry for Pelach. I really don't think it will make a difference if he gets a transfer window or not. Walters chooses the players and Pelach will follow Ste down the road if he challenges SJW. We're in a mess and Walters has to be held accountable for this shit show. Well there you go. Walters signs the players. He should be held to account because it’s very clear he has not signed players for the correct balance of the team
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Post by sticky on Oct 27, 2024 9:26:00 GMT
We’ve been flirting with relegation for years now, and I just think it’s inevitable that we’ll go down at some point. And to be quite honest I think it’s needed to completely change everything at the club. Might as well just leave Pelach in charge and see what happens, do people think if he’s replaced things will be any different? Replacing Pelach will not make any difference whatsoever. We need to stick with him because another change in coach will destroy us for certain. We need a complete overhaul at senior management level. Coates must act quickly because relegation is not too far away. Its got to the point with me where I’m not arsed if we go down anymore. I’m just sick to death of this constant cycle of garbage. Would it really be that much of a disaster? It’s the only way things will change imo. Replacing the manager (again) and another “overhaul” and we’ll be back here again next season, it’s wank and something drastic needs to happen to change everything at the club
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Post by st3mark on Oct 27, 2024 9:28:29 GMT
What a disaster this is turning out so far.
The next 5 league games are as easy a run of 5 as you’re likely to get in this league. I need him to get a minimum of 9 points from them to have any sort of belief in him.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 27, 2024 9:31:23 GMT
Replacing Pelach will not make any difference whatsoever. We need to stick with him because another change in coach will destroy us for certain. We need a complete overhaul at senior management level. Coates must act quickly because relegation is not too far away. Its got to the point with me where I’m not arsed if we go down anymore. I’m just sick to death of this constant cycle of garbage. Would it really be that much of a disaster? It’s the only way things will change imo. Replacing the manager (again) and another “overhaul” and we’ll be back here again next season, it’s wank and something drastic needs to happen to change everything at the club Relegation simply cannot happen. We've been there before and I don't think the people in charge have the ability to get us promoted from any league. I have zero faith in senior management for many different reasons.
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Post by robstokie on Oct 27, 2024 9:34:31 GMT
What a disaster this is turning out so far. The next 5 league games are as easy a run of 5 as you’re likely to get in this league. I need him to get a minimum of 9 points from them to have any sort of belief in him. Think Saturday is must win now, not necessarily as some sort of early 6 pointer but to keep the fans inside and at least try and give some hope that it's not all a complete clusterfuck, we draw and he probably gets the benefit of the doubt from most of the fanbase, we lose and it turns really toxic against him and Walters
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 27, 2024 9:36:15 GMT
It was a very strange sacking, but Pelach needs more time that's for sure! It really was his first defeat yesterday as he hardly had met the players before the Hull game. It reminds me a little bit about Rosenborg in Norway as they hired a 36 year old Swedich coach/manager who struggled to get results in the beginning, but the results have become much better during the season. He also wants to play the game very similar to Pelach. The difference is that he sticks to his principles much more and play the 4 3 3 system almost all the time. I honestly think Pelach should stick to this as well, because it makes the players more used to their roles and what is expected from them. It's still early days for Pelach and it's hard to say if he is the right man, but I also think we would have had more points with SS right now. If he would have picked up more points over a season is another question that never will be answered.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Oct 27, 2024 9:36:50 GMT
We’ve been flirting with relegation for years now, and I just think it’s inevitable that we’ll go down at some point. And to be quite honest I think it’s needed to completely change everything at the club. Might as well just leave Pelach in charge and see what happens, do people think if he’s replaced things will be any different? FFS how many total resets do we need?!?
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Post by sticky on Oct 27, 2024 9:37:29 GMT
Its got to the point with me where I’m not arsed if we go down anymore. I’m just sick to death of this constant cycle of garbage. Would it really be that much of a disaster? It’s the only way things will change imo. Replacing the manager (again) and another “overhaul” and we’ll be back here again next season, it’s wank and something drastic needs to happen to change everything at the club Relegation simply cannot happen. We've been there before and I don't think the people in charge have the ability to get us promoted from any league. I have zero faith in senior management for many different reasons. I just don’t see how the cycle of wankness is broken tbh. It’s so frustrating to keep watching a club, that on paper has everything needed to succeed, to just constantly dish out tripe I went leek town the other week and really enjoyed it. il be going more often instead of spending a fortune on away days. QPR will be my last one this season
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Post by bjarnig on Oct 27, 2024 9:38:41 GMT
Its got to the point with me where I’m not arsed if we go down anymore. I’m just sick to death of this constant cycle of garbage. Would it really be that much of a disaster? It’s the only way things will change imo. Replacing the manager (again) and another “overhaul” and we’ll be back here again next season, it’s wank and something drastic needs to happen to change everything at the club Relegation simply cannot happen. We've been there before and I don't think the people in charge have the ability to get us promoted from any league. I have zero faith in senior management for many different reasons. A great point. I don't think this management would get us out of a league with The Park Inn, Cattle Market and Ipstones veterans in it.
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Post by sticky on Oct 27, 2024 9:44:41 GMT
We’ve been flirting with relegation for years now, and I just think it’s inevitable that we’ll go down at some point. And to be quite honest I think it’s needed to completely change everything at the club. Might as well just leave Pelach in charge and see what happens, do people think if he’s replaced things will be any different? FFS how many total resets do we need?!? Well the ones we’ve had so far have had zero effect. Getting somebody in to who knows what they’re doing would be a good start. Then go from there
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Post by pavel on Oct 27, 2024 9:55:55 GMT
We’ve been flirting with relegation for years now, and I just think it’s inevitable that we’ll go down at some point. And to be quite honest I think it’s needed to completely change everything at the club. Might as well just leave Pelach in charge and see what happens, do people think if he’s replaced things will be any different? Replacing Pelach will not make any difference whatsoever. We need to stick with him because another change in coach will destroy us for certain. We need a complete overhaul at senior management level. Coates must act quickly because relegation is not too far away. In reality Pelach does need to go, which is very harsh, but as you say Pelach going alone solves nothing. We need change in every area of the club from Coates down. Walters is a must go but so are most the other ex Stoke players who are part of the problem. We still haven’t had a reset which has taken the “amateur” out of Stoke City, what we have done is put a sketchy 2 bob version of the set ups of clubs like Brighton in place. We need to go for the best we can at all aspects of the football side of the club, not nostalgic, please the fans, people. If we are going down the DOF route we need an identity first, hopefully a progressive one, before anything else. Then we need to employ a decent experienced DOF to fit our identity/ethos and other experienced people in key positions to support any manager/ head coach whether experienced or up and coming, but the relationship must be collaborative. We desperately need a CEO to run the football side of the club with the Coates family in the background setting the targets. I had my worries when Walters got the DOF post on a temporary basis as it was just such an easy option, nothing that has happened since has eased those worries. Can I see much or any of this happening soon, I think not and we will continue to stagnate or worse. At the moment we have the worst of all worlds, ineptitude at the top and chronic inexperience in all key positions, what could go wrong!
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Post by jm on Oct 27, 2024 10:03:58 GMT
Just for balance, it could be said that we'd have been relegated last season without Walters intervention.
Lots of slanderous gossip being stated as facts on this forum too. Opinions absolutely go for it and I'd encourage the full range but don't state opinion as facts unless you can provide credible evidence
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 27, 2024 10:06:30 GMT
Replacing Pelach will not make any difference whatsoever. We need to stick with him because another change in coach will destroy us for certain. We need a complete overhaul at senior management level. Coates must act quickly because relegation is not too far away. In reality Pelach does need to go, which is very harsh, but as you say Pelach going alone solves nothing. We need change in every area of the club from Coates down. Walters is a must go but so are most the other ex Stoke players who are part of the problem. We still haven’t had a reset which has taken the “amateur” out of Stoke City, what we have done is put a sketchy 2 bob version of the set ups of clubs like Brighton in place. We need to go for the best we can at all aspects of the football side of the club, not nostalgic, please the fans, people. If we are going down the DOF route we need an identity first, hopefully a progressive one, before anything else. Then we need to employ a decent experienced DOF to fit our identity/ethos and other experienced people in key positions to support any manager/ head coach whether experienced or up and coming, but the relationship must be collaborative. We desperately need a CEO to run the football side of the club with the Coates family in the background setting the targets. I had my worries when Walters got the DOF post on a temporary basis as it was just such an easy option, nothing that has happened since has eased those worries. Can I see much or any of this happening soon, I think not and we will continue to stagnate or worse. At the moment we have the worst of all worlds, ineptitude at the top and chronic inexperience in all key positions, what could go wrong! The identity should come FROM the Director of Football/Technical Director though. Appointing the right person in that role is the foundation of everything else. The DOF decides how we play: are we a passing team, direct team, pressing team etc? They employ a head coach who can implement that identity. They employ a scouting team to identify players who suit the roles in the system (or systems) they want to deploy. Everything stems from that role.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 27, 2024 10:11:56 GMT
Why do you feel sorry for him? He took the job with his eyes open, as did Schumacher. They’re highly paid coaches in the cut throat world of professional football…… Because he's got off to a terrible start and the fans are likely to turn soon. Did they turn when SS as manager after 12 games when we’d gained 12 points? Were you saying it wasn’t good enough on here at the time. 7 games is nowhere near enough to judge….
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 27, 2024 10:16:18 GMT
Because he's got off to a terrible start and the fans are likely to turn soon. Did they turn when SS as manager after 12 games when we’d gained 12 points? Were you saying it wasn’t good enough on here at the time. 7 games is nowhere near enough to judge…. Just for the record, I don't want him sacked.
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Post by stantheman on Oct 27, 2024 10:16:53 GMT
So what happens come January if we're in the bottom 3 without any sign of hope? Do we get rid of NP, and end up with 3 managers in a season, or do the board back him with a few £ and hope he can turn things around?
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Post by ian57 on Oct 27, 2024 10:33:13 GMT
Anyone who thinks that relegation would be good for a reset is a fucking loony tune imo. These players would get rinsed every week in league 1 as they have no desire,no fight and no heart and all of this is the responsibility of jc,Walters and the septic tank and sacking Pelach would make no difference whatsoever with the chuckle brothers pulling the strings.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 27, 2024 10:35:21 GMT
So what happens come January if we're in the bottom 3 without any sign of hope? Do we get rid of NP, and end up with 3 managers in a season, or do the board back him with a few £ and hope he can turn things around? Who will want come to a club in the bottom 3?
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Post by superpotter on Oct 27, 2024 10:44:01 GMT
No point sacking him the squad is so poor , I’d like him to keep junior , Thompson , Pearson when fit , Gibson , and Ennis well away from the team , wouldn’t get in any other championship side. Give sidibe some minutes, play 433 .
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Post by richardparker on Oct 27, 2024 10:50:54 GMT
Stick with the manager ... and this group of players. (If we don't we will be contributing to our demise).
Schumacher should have been given more time, but wasn't. It's not Pelach's fault we're weak in so many areas.
We will have days like yesterday, where nothing happened over the course of a whole match to lift fans' spirits.
Our young squad of players came to applaud fans at the end. The majority of Stokies had left but amongst those that stayed, there were plenty of very angry Stokies who were finger pointing, and hurling abuse.
It's been said so many times, but that really is not going to help things! We don't have a divine right to be challenging for promotion, and with very poor management at board level (including a rookie football director), this is where we are.
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