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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 21:55:00 GMT
Nobody probably but it means different things to different people. Long ball football A reliance on set pieces British based transfer policy A heavy reliance on attitude and character with new signings Low goalscoring All applicable (plus more) to that part of our history with some being quite positive and some being negative. The DNA is a mindset and attitude thing surely? Nothing at all to do with a style of play. Yeah I'd agree with that but everyone has a different opinion and will read it differently. All I'm saying is I don't think those comments have been too helpful in that regard. |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 21:55:55 GMT
I do want hard working never say die players..every fan should want those players for their club. You seem under the impression that hard working never say die players have no quality. I don’t think this specific one does have quality, no. You can have players with both like Junho. That’s the profile needed in my opinion. The real problem is nobody knows what the blueprint is or who controls it. JC employed Schu in December so you'd imagine their views aligned at that time. Then a couple of months or so later he employs JW as TD subsequently made permanent and rebranded as SD. Now has JW been employed to implement the blueprint of the shared vision of December or has he just been given the keys to the kingdom and allowed to set his own path. If it's the latter this raises the question of what is the point of the structure. You've moved from a God manager to a God SD. If it's the former he shouldn't be dictating the sort of player HE wants. He should be delivering the players to implement the blueprint laid out for him when he was appointed. No changes or signings haveyet been made that indicate he's trying to dictate a change in playing style on the HC but changes to the recruitment model do suggest he has free rein. I'm not comfortable with the idea of the latter as it's entirely what the modern structure is meant to have changed. |
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Post by Biblical on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:22 GMT
As an option I’ve got no problem with him.
If he’s going to be the main man we can forget the season before it’s even started.
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Post by lordb on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:52 GMT
Nobody probably but it means different things to different people. Long ball football A reliance on set pieces British based transfer policy A heavy reliance on attitude and character with new signings Low goalscoring All applicable (plus more) to that part of our history with some being quite positive and some being negative. The DNA is a mindset and attitude thing surely? Nothing at all to do with a style of play. Amazing how people don't understand this You can, and should, play attacking football on the deck AND get stuck and fight for each other As for reliance on character, yes fucking please No more Imbulas, Jeses, Berahinos thanks Million and Junho both are good examples of attacking players who have good strong characters Burger too very much the right DNA The Plymouth home game was a example of how bringing back the don't fuck with us attitude can go hand in glove with attacking attractive football The idea that percentage football defensive managers have the monopoly on teams with strong character is just nonsense look at Ipswich last season played pretty good stuff but imo Leeds had more quality in their squax6 Ipswich went up because they had the character whereas Leeds collapsed at crucial times |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 22:04:25 GMT
I don't think Huth's comments recently that were put down by the Sentinel have helped said thought process, when he said that now Walters is in post we can expect to see a return of the old Stoke DNA pretty quickly. Rightly or wrongly, when you read those comments it's not hard to see why some people will think like that. I haven’t seen these quotes, but who would object to a return of the “old Stoke DNA” ? Me. I want to see the best footballers we can afford not some social engineering experiment. |
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 27, 2024 22:12:47 GMT
I think we have to try and separate DNA from style of play.
Hard work, graft, grit and determination to me are DNA. Bae and Manhoef fit this criteria, to now. And they’re about as good as you are going to get in terms of quality in the championship away from the relegated teams.
Long ball, big man upfront, bypass midfield etc… is a style of play thing rather than DNA.
Luckily, we have no visible sign that it’s the case that Schumacher wants to employ such a style, and as yet neither does JW. Gallagher, as a foil for a goal scorer is ideal, but as it stands, we don’t have a clinical goalscorer. And we cannot in an ideal world think of Gallagher as the answer to the goalscorer question.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 27, 2024 22:37:46 GMT
As an option I’ve got no problem with him. If he’s going to be the main man we can forget the season before it’s even started. The striker we need is the version of Dwight Gayle from his WBA season 7 years back. Someone with movement, guile, and razor sharp finishing. Not some plodder who’ll jump and head the ball every now and again. Gallagher’s about as inspiring as bringing in Lambert as player manager! There must be someone in the Premier League reserves or from abroad that looks the part?! |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 22:43:23 GMT
As an option I’ve got no problem with him. If he’s going to be the main man we can forget the season before it’s even started. The striker we need is the version of Dwight Gayle from his WBA season 7 years back. Someone with movement, guile, and razor sharp finishing. Not some plodder who’ll jump and head the ball every now and again. Gallagher’s about as inspiring as bringing in Lambert as player manager! There must be someone in the Premier League reserves or from abroad that looks the part?! So you basically just don’t want a CF never mind Gallagher because Gayle played off a CF that season and just about every other decent season he ever had. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 28, 2024 0:17:48 GMT
As an option I’ve got no problem with him. If he’s going to be the main man we can forget the season before it’s even started. The striker we need is the version of Dwight Gayle from his WBA season 7 years back. Someone with movement, guile, and razor sharp finishing. Not some plodder who’ll jump and head the ball every now and again. Gallagher’s about as inspiring as bringing in Lambert as player manager! There must be someone in the Premier League reserves or from abroad that looks the part?! Not a team in this league wouldn't want that. Gayle was prolific Very few players hit 20 goals in this league. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2024 0:54:48 GMT
As an option I’ve got no problem with him. If he’s going to be the main man we can forget the season before it’s even started. The striker we need is the version of Dwight Gayle from his WBA season 7 years back. Someone with movement, guile, and razor sharp finishing. Not some plodder who’ll jump and head the ball every now and again. Gallagher’s about as inspiring as bringing in Lambert as player manager! There must be someone in the Premier League reserves or from abroad that looks the part?! Premier league players don’t move to the Championship unless they are unproven or finished. Gone are the days of picking up a good Premier League player on the cheap who is just desperate to play more football in their prime. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2024 6:56:37 GMT
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jul 28, 2024 6:57:25 GMT
Blackburn Rovers want £1.5 million for striker Sam Gallagher as Stoke City bid for a bargain. Rovers have the hit man under contract for another year and do not want to lose him just now with top scorer Sammie Szmodics close to leaving. Stoke have reached around £800,000 with their offers so far and Will have to come back with more. The Potters have alternative targets that include Leicester’s Tom Cannon who may be available on loan. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 28, 2024 7:00:47 GMT
A bit underwhelming if this happens, I'd have much preferred a mobile CF who will hopefully bag 15 to 20, I think Stansfield would do that
Also with Dublin going, we now appear to be doing our shopping local again and going for the same players as half the league. If Blackburn are prepared to let him go for a million or so let's be honest, he can't be that great. He was a handful when we went there and he was a handful last season too at ours I thought almost dragging them back, so we will see
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Post by clivey05 on Jul 28, 2024 7:12:35 GMT
If they do sign Gallagher. Junho and Manhoeff both need to score 10+ goals each, playing off him as I think Gallagher has only managed double figures in a season once.
Still think we need to be in the market for a striker that actually scores goals.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 7:15:52 GMT
A bit underwhelming if this happens, I'd have much preferred a mobile CF who will hopefully bag 15 to 20, I think Stansfield would do that Also with Dublin going, we now appear to be doing our shopping local again and going for the same players as half the league. If Blackburn are prepared to let him go for a million or so let's be honest, he can't be that great. He was a handful when we went there and he was a handful last season too at ours I thought almost dragging them back, so we will see I’d love Stansfied, just think calling him a CF is pretty debatable. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 28, 2024 7:16:36 GMT
Would £1M + Baker be a possible deal? It was said they were interested in him? I guess Baker's wages aren't far from what Gallagher gets at Blackburn?  |
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2024 7:22:26 GMT
Would £1M + Baker be a possible deal? It was said they were interested in him? I guess Baker's wages aren't far from what Gallagher gets at Blackburn? I bet Bakers on quite a big wage as we had to re contract him after 6 months to remove a release fee didn’t we? |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 7:24:29 GMT
Would £1M + Baker be a possible deal? It was said they were interested in him? I guess Baker's wages aren't far from what Gallagher gets at Blackburn? I bet Bakers on quite a big wage as we had to re contract him after 6 months to remove a release fee didn’t we? Yeah a few months before we employed a manager who didn’t fancy him at all. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2024 7:25:54 GMT
A bit underwhelming if this happens, I'd have much preferred a mobile CF who will hopefully bag 15 to 20, I think Stansfield would do that Also with Dublin going, we now appear to be doing our shopping local again and going for the same players as half the league. If Blackburn are prepared to let him go for a million or so let's be honest, he can't be that great. He was a handful when we went there and he was a handful last season too at ours I thought almost dragging them back, so we will see I’d love Stansfied, just think calling him a CF is pretty debatable. Striker who plays centrally? Know what you mean and I know Stansfield can play wide but if he came here he'd mostly play down the middle so what would we call him? Just striker? |
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Post by wonderwall on Jul 28, 2024 7:39:52 GMT
Gallagher wouldn’t be our main striker surely if he signs.
We need more goals in our main striker.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 7:43:00 GMT
I’d love Stansfied, just think calling him a CF is pretty debatable. Striker who plays centrally? Know what you mean and I know Stansfield can play wide but if he came here he'd mostly play down the middle so what would we call him? Just striker? I’d hope he didn’t (play down the middle) and I’d call him a wide forward. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2024 7:49:12 GMT
Striker who plays centrally? Know what you mean and I know Stansfield can play wide but if he came here he'd mostly play down the middle so what would we call him? Just striker? I’d hope he didn’t (play down the middle) and I’d call him a wide forward. He'd get in behind and he'd score goals be perfect in a pair |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 7:51:09 GMT
I've just browsed their forum to see if there was any clue as to the position he mainly plays, or if he's been used as a wide option more often than a few times here and there and christ, they really don't like him. It's hard to judge given they've got the likes of Brereton, Armstrong and Szmodics to compare him to/with which would probably skew any opinions on top of the sheer toxicity they've got towards the owners (which as we know always puts a downer on all things across the board). The general consensus amongst them is good athlete, dreadful footballer and that they might as well sign Lyndon Dykes (being linked as a replacement) as he's equally 'shite' but is probably way cheaper. Dykes is fucking woeful so that’s damning. |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 7:52:15 GMT
I’d hope he didn’t (play down the middle) and I’d call him a wide forward. He'd get in behind and he'd score goals be perfect in a pair Yup in a pair with a CF. Sorry it’s just my view of the game I’m well aware there are others. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 28, 2024 7:53:21 GMT
Blackburn Rovers want £1.5 million for striker Sam Gallagher as Stoke City bid for a bargain. Rovers have the hit man under contract for another year and do not want to lose him just now with top scorer Sammie Szmodics close to leaving. Stoke have reached around £800,000 with their offers so far and Will have to come back with more. The Potters have alternative targets that include Leicester’s Tom Cannon who may be available on loan. Hopefully they’ll reach a compromise on Gallagher and get Cannon too because let’s face it we need 2 strikers. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 7:53:49 GMT
500k? He’s not worth a penny over that. |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 7:53:54 GMT
I've just browsed their forum to see if there was any clue as to the position he mainly plays, or if he's been used as a wide option more often than a few times here and there and christ, they really don't like him. It's hard to judge given they've got the likes of Brereton, Armstrong and Szmodics to compare him to/with which would probably skew any opinions on top of the sheer toxicity they've got towards the owners (which as we know always puts a downer on all things across the board). The general consensus amongst them is good athlete, dreadful footballer and that they might as well sign Lyndon Dykes (being linked as a replacement) as he's equally 'shite' but is probably way cheaper. Dykes is fucking woeful so that’s damning. Watch him a lot do you?? I watch him when he plays against Stoke and he scored a beautiful CF’s goal vs us last season and had a very good game in general. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 28, 2024 7:54:44 GMT
I've just browsed their forum to see if there was any clue as to the position he mainly plays, or if he's been used as a wide option more often than a few times here and there and christ, they really don't like him. It's hard to judge given they've got the likes of Brereton, Armstrong and Szmodics to compare him to/with which would probably skew any opinions on top of the sheer toxicity they've got towards the owners (which as we know always puts a downer on all things across the board). The general consensus amongst them is good athlete, dreadful footballer and that they might as well sign Lyndon Dykes (being linked as a replacement) as he's equally 'shite' but is probably way cheaper. Dykes is fucking woeful so that’s damning. Gallaghers a far better player than Dykes. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 7:55:49 GMT
Dykes is fucking woeful so that’s damning. Watch him a lot do you?? I watch him when he plays against Stoke and he scored a beautiful CF’s goal vs us last season and had a very good game in general. He’s a fucking cart horse (both of them). |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 7:57:09 GMT
Dykes is fucking woeful so that’s damning. Gallaghers a far better player than Dykes. Both are very bad. Dykes has a less shit goal record too. |
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