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Post by Gods on Oct 30, 2024 20:57:53 GMT
Who is paid the most, Walters or Pelach?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 30, 2024 21:42:33 GMT
Who is paid the most, Walters or Pelach? What,they are getting paid? |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 31, 2024 12:49:34 GMT
Who is paid the most, Walters or Pelach? Does it matter? |
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 31, 2024 12:51:48 GMT
Who is paid the most, Walters or Pelach? There's only one way to find out...  |
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Post by stokief on Oct 31, 2024 13:31:29 GMT
How do you get experience unless you take a job? By being an assistant to someone experienced to gain knowledge I went straight in to a management position when I was starting out bypassing the assistant bit . Jon Walters has probably witnessed enough good and bad DoF's to know what works and what doesn't. It's like saying Pelach hasn't been a manager before but he's been a coach in the Championship for a good while and so the next step up would be to become a Head coach which is what he has done. There's too much whining on here about 'lack of experience'. Surely many of us have had the belief in ourselves to accept challenges in order to gain experience and move up the ladders in our chosen careers? Thank goodness people had belief in us too and gave us the opportunities. This change at Stoke cannot and will not happen overnight. Patience will be required. I may be in the minority but I see definite signs of hope. A group of players looking like they want to try hard and please the HC, that's a start that we haven't seen for a good while. Injuries have been unfortunate and I honestly think have affected what could have been in recent games. I trust that JW knows what's needed but you can't always get what you want in a transfer window and there's no point buying for the sake of it. The loanees, Koumas, Cannon and Moran and Philips? can anyone honestly say that these players aren't contributing? I get the impression some people on here are just desperate for some folk to fail. The Coates family have invested heavily in this Club and continue to do so. They'll be obviously very aware of the failings of recent years and in spite of what a lot of people think will have learned very hard lessons. I thought John Coates looked positively unwell at times last season but hope he was just practising the Fast 800 diet! The old saying used to be 'everyone thinks they're a football manager' now everyone thinks they're a DoF or Chairman. There's plenty on here probably can't run the bath let alone run a football Club! |
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 31, 2024 15:56:41 GMT
By being an assistant to someone experienced to gain knowledge I went straight in to a management position when I was starting out bypassing the assistant bit . Jon Walters has probably witnessed enough good and bad DoF's to know what works and what doesn't. It's like saying Pelach hasn't been a manager before but he's been a coach in the Championship for a good while and so the next step up would be to become a Head coach which is what he has done. There's too much whining on here about 'lack of experience'. Surely many of us have had the belief in ourselves to accept challenges in order to gain experience and move up the ladders in our chosen careers? Thank goodness people had belief in us too and gave us the opportunities. This change at Stoke cannot and will not happen overnight. Patience will be required. I may be in the minority but I see definite signs of hope. A group of players looking like they want to try hard and please the HC, that's a start that we haven't seen for a good while. Injuries have been unfortunate and I honestly think have affected what could have been in recent games. I trust that JW knows what's needed but you can't always get what you want in a transfer window and there's no point buying for the sake of it. The loanees, Koumas, Cannon and Moran and Philips? can anyone honestly say that these players aren't contributing? I get the impression some people on here are just desperate for some folk to fail. The Coates family have invested heavily in this Club and continue to do so. They'll be obviously very aware of the failings of recent years and in spite of what a lot of people think will have learned very hard lessons. I thought John Coates looked positively unwell at times last season but hope he was just practising the Fast 800 diet! The old saying used to be 'everyone thinks they're a football manager' now everyone thinks they're a DoF or Chairman. There's plenty on here probably can't run the bath let alone run a football Club! There are always rare exceptions, based on your theory we wouldn't need apprentice schemes. Had the misfortune to meet quite a few untrained managers, some learned( usually by their mistakes) many never learned. The last thing I or most people want is for Stoke to fail. I am happy you trust Walters but others, me included, don't. His manner of sacking Schumacher clearly demonstrated his man management skills or lack of them. Selecting a subordinate in Pelach who is also largely untested in the role is further demonstration of his unjustified self belief. We need someone who can organise what we have and improve the team when possible. Schumacher was sacked when we were 13th and we are now 19th which is a clear statement in itself. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 31, 2024 16:06:40 GMT
JW clearly likes yes men and nodding dogs.
This is why he sacked Schuey and brought in Pelach.
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Post by stokief on Oct 31, 2024 16:51:13 GMT
I went straight in to a management position when I was starting out bypassing the assistant bit . Jon Walters has probably witnessed enough good and bad DoF's to know what works and what doesn't. It's like saying Pelach hasn't been a manager before but he's been a coach in the Championship for a good while and so the next step up would be to become a Head coach which is what he has done. There's too much whining on here about 'lack of experience'. Surely many of us have had the belief in ourselves to accept challenges in order to gain experience and move up the ladders in our chosen careers? Thank goodness people had belief in us too and gave us the opportunities. This change at Stoke cannot and will not happen overnight. Patience will be required. I may be in the minority but I see definite signs of hope. A group of players looking like they want to try hard and please the HC, that's a start that we haven't seen for a good while. Injuries have been unfortunate and I honestly think have affected what could have been in recent games. I trust that JW knows what's needed but you can't always get what you want in a transfer window and there's no point buying for the sake of it. The loanees, Koumas, Cannon and Moran and Philips? can anyone honestly say that these players aren't contributing? I get the impression some people on here are just desperate for some folk to fail. The Coates family have invested heavily in this Club and continue to do so. They'll be obviously very aware of the failings of recent years and in spite of what a lot of people think will have learned very hard lessons. I thought John Coates looked positively unwell at times last season but hope he was just practising the Fast 800 diet! The old saying used to be 'everyone thinks they're a football manager' now everyone thinks they're a DoF or Chairman. There's plenty on here probably can't run the bath let alone run a football Club! There are always rare exceptions, based on your theory we wouldn't need apprentice schemes. Had the misfortune to meet quite a few untrained managers, some learned( usually by their mistakes) many never learned. The last thing I or most people want is for Stoke to fail. I am happy you trust Walters but others, me included, don't. His manner of sacking Schumacher clearly demonstrated his man management skills or lack of them. Selecting a subordinate in Pelach who is also largely untested in the role is further demonstration of his unjustified self belief. We need someone who can organise what we have and improve the team when possible. Schumacher was sacked when we were 13th and we are now 19th which is a clear statement in itself. Well, hold on a sec. First off we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes re: SS so we don't really know whether it demonstrated a lack of management skills or a decisive DoF. Neither do we know where in the league we'd be now if he'd still been in charge but I have my suspicions he wouldn't have lasted much longer .Jon Walters has seen the 'the game' from all angles. Prem. player, International, coaching badges attained and his Masters in Sports Directorship. He also knows a lot about this football Club and the owners. I know I'm repeating myself but Pelach has been a Coach in the division and has not been made Manager but HEAD Coach, the next natural progression. We've got a young squad and a young progressive Coach and I really don't believe bringing in some experienced dinosaur would have been successful or productive. Just my opinion. I have no crystal ball but I think we all need to calm down a bit and get off these peoples backs. To use NP's and the yoof of today's phrase, 'It is what it is'. This is where we are at after years of malfunction. There's no magic Manager/Coach, there's no magic wand. We can only get the players that want to join us and we're bound by FFP. At least we don't wilt and shrivel up when we go a goal or two down which we have done for seasons. The Bristol match could've set us right back mentally but I don't think it has and whether we like it or not there are better teams in this league especially the hardened yo-yoers who retain their experienced players. FFP will continue to stuff us up more than JW ever can. Let's just try to get on with. At least that's what I'm going to do! ! |
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 31, 2024 17:11:58 GMT
The Coates family have invested heavily in this Club and continue to do so. They'll be obviously very aware of the failings of recent years and in spite of what a lot of people think will have learned very hard lessons. The fact that they continue to lurch from one unfocused, directionless mess to another suggests that the Coates family have learned precisely fuck all. |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 31, 2024 17:23:40 GMT
The Coates family have invested heavily in this Club and continue to do so. They'll be obviously very aware of the failings of recent years and in spite of what a lot of people think will have learned very hard lessons. The fact that they continue to lurch from one unfocused, directionless mess to another suggests that the Coates family have learned precisely fuck all. When we went down they literally said “we’re very aware of the failings of recent years and we have learned very hard lessons” And here we are, seven failure-filled, hard-lesson years later. Can’t wait to see the fruits of all this learning they’ve been doing… any season now…….. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 31, 2024 18:56:12 GMT
JW clearly likes yes men and nodding dogs. This is why he sacked Schuey and brought in Pelach. There is a far as I’m aware no evidence Pelach won’t stand his ground |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 31, 2024 19:23:35 GMT
Bit of perspective.
We are 7 points off the play-offs 😄
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Post by premieraj on Oct 31, 2024 19:30:14 GMT
Hellfire I want us to beat derby! Come on Stoke!
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 31, 2024 19:30:29 GMT
JW clearly likes yes men and nodding dogs. This is why he sacked Schuey and brought in Pelach. There is a far as I’m aware no evidence Pelach won’t stand his ground Of course there isn't, it's made up nonsense |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 31, 2024 22:21:08 GMT
There are always rare exceptions, based on your theory we wouldn't need apprentice schemes. Had the misfortune to meet quite a few untrained managers, some learned( usually by their mistakes) many never learned. The last thing I or most people want is for Stoke to fail. I am happy you trust Walters but others, me included, don't. His manner of sacking Schumacher clearly demonstrated his man management skills or lack of them. Selecting a subordinate in Pelach who is also largely untested in the role is further demonstration of his unjustified self belief. We need someone who can organise what we have and improve the team when possible. Schumacher was sacked when we were 13th and we are now 19th which is a clear statement in itself. Well, hold on a sec. First off we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes re: SS so we don't really know whether it demonstrated a lack of management skills or a decisive DoF. Neither do we know where in the league we'd be now if he'd still been in charge but I have my suspicions he wouldn't have lasted much longer .Jon Walters has seen the 'the game' from all angles. Prem. player, International, coaching badges attained and his Masters in Sports Directorship. He also knows a lot about this football Club and the owners. I know I'm repeating myself but Pelach has been a Coach in the division and has not been made Manager but HEAD Coach, the next natural progression. We've got a young squad and a young progressive Coach and I really don't believe bringing in some experienced dinosaur would have been successful or productive. Just my opinion. I have no crystal ball but I think we all need to calm down a bit and get off these peoples backs. To use NP's and the yoof of today's phrase, 'It is what it is'. This is where we are at after years of malfunction. There's no magic Manager/Coach, there's no magic wand. We can only get the players that want to join us and we're bound by FFP. At least we don't wilt and shrivel up when we go a goal or two down which we have done for seasons. The Bristol match could've set us right back mentally but I don't think it has and whether we like it or not there are better teams in this league especially the hardened yo-yoers who retain their experienced players. FFP will continue to stuff us up more than JW ever can. Let's just try to get on with. At least that's what I'm going to do! ! Worth a re-post |
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Post by pushon on Oct 31, 2024 22:54:57 GMT
Well, hold on a sec. First off we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes re: SS so we don't really know whether it demonstrated a lack of management skills or a decisive DoF. Neither do we know where in the league we'd be now if he'd still been in charge but I have my suspicions he wouldn't have lasted much longer .Jon Walters has seen the 'the game' from all angles. Prem. player, International, coaching badges attained and his Masters in Sports Directorship. He also knows a lot about this football Club and the owners. I know I'm repeating myself but Pelach has been a Coach in the division and has not been made Manager but HEAD Coach, the next natural progression. We've got a young squad and a young progressive Coach and I really don't believe bringing in some experienced dinosaur would have been successful or productive. Just my opinion. I have no crystal ball but I think we all need to calm down a bit and get off these peoples backs. To use NP's and the yoof of today's phrase, 'It is what it is'. This is where we are at after years of malfunction. There's no magic Manager/Coach, there's no magic wand. We can only get the players that want to join us and we're bound by FFP. At least we don't wilt and shrivel up when we go a goal or two down which we have done for seasons. The Bristol match could've set us right back mentally but I don't think it has and whether we like it or not there are better teams in this league especially the hardened yo-yoers who retain their experienced players. FFP will continue to stuff us up more than JW ever can. Let's just try to get on with. At least that's what I'm going to do! ! Worth a re-post Please no! Trying to interprate one wall of words is enough. |
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Post by Ron on Nov 1, 2024 9:43:18 GMT
There are always rare exceptions, based on your theory we wouldn't need apprentice schemes. Had the misfortune to meet quite a few untrained managers, some learned( usually by their mistakes) many never learned. The last thing I or most people want is for Stoke to fail. I am happy you trust Walters but others, me included, don't. His manner of sacking Schumacher clearly demonstrated his man management skills or lack of them. Selecting a subordinate in Pelach who is also largely untested in the role is further demonstration of his unjustified self belief. We need someone who can organise what we have and improve the team when possible. Schumacher was sacked when we were 13th and we are now 19th which is a clear statement in itself. Well, hold on a sec. First off we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes re: SS so we don't really know whether it demonstrated a lack of management skills or a decisive DoF. Neither do we know where in the league we'd be now if he'd still been in charge but I have my suspicions he wouldn't have lasted much longer .Jon Walters has seen the 'the game' from all angles. Prem. player, International, coaching badges attained and his Masters in Sports Directorship. He also knows a lot about this football Club and the owners. I know I'm repeating myself but Pelach has been a Coach in the division and has not been made Manager but HEAD Coach, the next natural progression. We've got a young squad and a young progressive Coach and I really don't believe bringing in some experienced dinosaur would have been successful or productive. Just my opinion. I have no crystal ball but I think we all need to calm down a bit and get off these peoples backs. To use NP's and the yoof of today's phrase, 'It is what it is'. This is where we are at after years of malfunction. There's no magic Manager/Coach, there's no magic wand. We can only get the players that want to join us and we're bound by FFP. At least we don't wilt and shrivel up when we go a goal or two down which we have done for seasons. The Bristol match could've set us right back mentally but I don't think it has and whether we like it or not there are better teams in this league especially the hardened yo-yoers who retain their experienced players. FFP will continue to stuff us up more than JW ever can. Let's just try to get on with. At least that's what I'm going to do! ! theees nowt progressive in conceding 15 plus shots on target every game and playing a limp 2 man midfield is there? If that’s “progressive” then god help the game. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 1, 2024 10:41:29 GMT
By being an assistant to someone experienced to gain knowledge I went straight in to a management position when I was starting out.... Running an internet based match day pub doesn't count! 😂 |
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Post by noustie on Nov 1, 2024 10:43:47 GMT
Maybe we need a Director of Director of Football - Pulis could stand in the corner shouting 'Go'rn Jon!' at regular intervals to keep him going.
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Post by stokief on Nov 1, 2024 15:08:01 GMT
I went straight in to a management position when I was starting out.... Running an internet based match day pub doesn't count! 😂 I may have to bring it back but this time as a counselling, therapy and support centre for easily traumatised football supporters..with the bar next door just in case  |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 1, 2024 15:13:57 GMT
There is a far as I’m aware no evidence Pelach won’t stand his ground Of course there isn't, it's made up nonsense I hope it is. Otherwise it’s concerning. Because we brought in a Spanish yes man. In other words a Si man. And if the people he brought with him are also Si men. Then we’re trusting a load of Si men to keep us up. Which is concerning. |
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Post by chamberlain on Nov 1, 2024 16:09:16 GMT
Of course there isn't, it's made up nonsense I hope it is. Otherwise it’s concerning. Because we brought in a Spanish yes man. In other words a Si man. And if the people he brought with him are also Si men. Then we’re trusting a load of Si men to keep us up. Which is concerning. As far as I know , no one has come up with any evidence that he's a yes man .Just one or two posters say so. So until it's proved I call bullshit . |
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Post by SteveWyman on Nov 1, 2024 16:37:38 GMT
Running an internet based match day pub doesn't count! 😂 I may have to bring it back but this time as a counselling, therapy and support centre for easily traumatised football supporters..with the bar next door just in case Arrrrriiiiba!!!!!!! |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 1, 2024 17:02:48 GMT
I hope it is. Otherwise it’s concerning. Because we brought in a Spanish yes man. In other words a Si man. And if the people he brought with him are also Si men. Then we’re trusting a load of Si men to keep us up. Which is concerning. As far as I know , no one has come up with any evidence that he's a yes man .Just one or two posters say so. So until it's proved I call bullshit . Sorry. It was just a bad joke. A very bad joke. |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 1, 2024 17:09:58 GMT
JW clearly likes yes men and nodding dogs. This is why he sacked Schuey and brought in Pelach. There is a far as I’m aware no evidence Pelach won’t stand his ground All this talk about being a yes man and standing your ground is the wrong way to look at it. What’s needed is a Head Coach who has the skills to manager his manager. I have my doubts about whether Schuey was any good at it: hopefully Pelach will be better at it. |
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Post by chamberlain on Nov 1, 2024 19:12:20 GMT
As far as I know , no one has come up with any evidence that he's a yes man .Just one or two posters say so. So until it's proved I call bullshit . Sorry. It was just a bad joke. A very bad joke. It wasn't your best effort Foxy |
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Post by onepara on Nov 1, 2024 19:20:12 GMT
Sorry. It was just a bad joke. A very bad joke. It wasn't your best effort Foxy He has a very strange sense of humour. |
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Post by ceejays on Nov 1, 2024 19:55:25 GMT
Just after SS saga I met a senior member of SCFC back room staff . I’m a Walters man they said . Hmmm I thought. You wouldn’t be a yes sir person would you ? Bound to happen. People need their jobs
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Post by DC1863 on Nov 1, 2024 20:14:37 GMT
There are always rare exceptions, based on your theory we wouldn't need apprentice schemes. Had the misfortune to meet quite a few untrained managers, some learned( usually by their mistakes) many never learned. The last thing I or most people want is for Stoke to fail. I am happy you trust Walters but others, me included, don't. His manner of sacking Schumacher clearly demonstrated his man management skills or lack of them. Selecting a subordinate in Pelach who is also largely untested in the role is further demonstration of his unjustified self belief. We need someone who can organise what we have and improve the team when possible. Schumacher was sacked when we were 13th and we are now 19th which is a clear statement in itself. Well, hold on a sec. First off we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes re: SS so we don't really know whether it demonstrated a lack of management skills or a decisive DoF. Neither do we know where in the league we'd be now if he'd still been in charge but I have my suspicions he wouldn't have lasted much longer .Jon Walters has seen the 'the game' from all angles. Prem. player, International, coaching badges attained and his Masters in Sports Directorship. He also knows a lot about this football Club and the owners. I know I'm repeating myself but Pelach has been a Coach in the division and has not been made Manager but HEAD Coach, the next natural progression. We've got a young squad and a young progressive Coach and I really don't believe bringing in some experienced dinosaur would have been successful or productive. Just my opinion. I have no crystal ball but I think we all need to calm down a bit and get off these peoples backs. To use NP's and the yoof of today's phrase, 'It is what it is'. This is where we are at after years of malfunction. There's no magic Manager/Coach, there's no magic wand. We can only get the players that want to join us and we're bound by FFP. At least we don't wilt and shrivel up when we go a goal or two down which we have done for seasons. The Bristol match could've set us right back mentally but I don't think it has and whether we like it or not there are better teams in this league especially the hardened yo-yoers who retain their experienced players. FFP will continue to stuff us up more than JW ever can. Let's just try to get on with. At least that's what I'm going to do! ! Some good points but please, paragraphs! |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 1, 2024 23:32:34 GMT
Sorry. It was just a bad joke. A very bad joke. It wasn't your best effort Foxy And that’s saying something 🫣 |
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