samuel32
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Post by samuel32 on Oct 29, 2024 20:50:54 GMT
Apparently Jon Walters makes everyone at the training ground refer to him as 'Big Dog'
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 29, 2024 20:53:30 GMT
Apparently Jon Walters makes everyone at the training ground refer to him as 'Big Dog' Absolute bull shit. Nobody is allowed to talk to him. If you even look at him without being given permission you’re thrown to the wild dogs he keeps under his office. |
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Post by BrummiePotter on Oct 29, 2024 21:02:34 GMT
Part of me, admittedly a small part, has some sympathy with Walters as he’s still essentially serving his apprenticeship and has very little experience for his role. However, you’ve got to have one big ego to know that you have no experience and yet still happily accept a role that’s offered to you - most people would say thanks for the offer but it’s a bit too soon.
The main fault lies with the person who thought that an inexperienced person could take the role and be successful at it - step forward Jon Coates, the main architect of this disaster for the past few years. We won’t ever get out of this mess until he has some humility to either pass on the reins or get some knowledgeable people in.
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 30, 2024 9:51:24 GMT
Most people learn by assisting someone with knowledge. This tends to steer them away from the obvious mistakes when they go it alone. They will still make mistakes but hopefully smaller ones.
Unfortunately Walters has bypassed this process with obvious results.
Coupled with this, Pelach is relatively untested in his role.
All in all, it's a disaster waiting to happen and sadly I don't think we will have to wait much longer.
They will get paid off and replaced so will actually benefit but will it happen before we suffer relegation?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 30, 2024 9:54:53 GMT
Part of me, admittedly a small part, has some sympathy with Walters as he’s still essentially serving his apprenticeship and has very little experience for his role. However, you’ve got to have one big ego to know that you have no experience and yet still happily accept a role that’s offered to you - most people would say thanks for the offer but it’s a bit too soon.The main fault lies with the person who thought that an inexperienced person could take the role and be successful at it - step forward Jon Coates, the main architect of this disaster for the past few years. We won’t ever get out of this mess until he has some humility to either pass on the reins or get some knowledgeable people in. How do you get experience unless you take a job? |
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 30, 2024 10:11:47 GMT
Part of me, admittedly a small part, has some sympathy with Walters as he’s still essentially serving his apprenticeship and has very little experience for his role. However, you’ve got to have one big ego to know that you have no experience and yet still happily accept a role that’s offered to you - most people would say thanks for the offer but it’s a bit too soon.The main fault lies with the person who thought that an inexperienced person could take the role and be successful at it - step forward Jon Coates, the main architect of this disaster for the past few years. We won’t ever get out of this mess until he has some humility to either pass on the reins or get some knowledgeable people in. How do you get experience unless you take a job? By being an assistant to someone experienced to gain knowledge |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 30, 2024 10:48:59 GMT
How do you get experience unless you take a job? By being an assistant to someone experienced to gain knowledge But he would argue he cut his teeth by doing the role for the Ireland youth set up, then Waterford and Fleetwood....... |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 30, 2024 11:00:32 GMT
Seems to have gone missing.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 30, 2024 11:07:18 GMT
Seems to have gone missing. I've been his biggest critic but the best thing he's done is disappeared. He was heavily criticised for his constant appearances in the press. I just hope he doesn't reappear after a couple of positive results. |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Oct 30, 2024 11:34:08 GMT
I have a friend who spent some time with him recently. He said he was brilliant to be fair and said he had to act and with that decsion will come sucess or him losing his job but he absolutely felt it needed to be done. My guess is that his values and SS were not aligned. To be clear there were no detail or reference to SS. I think we need to work with the club and its heirachy rather than against it in order to be sucessful. When we work against each other sucess is so much more difficult to achieve. We can all throw mud about and we all have our view of what makes a good football club, and this varies radically. Ive said it before but I wrote to the club and told them to get rid of TP the season before we missed out on the play offs and then got promoted and enjoyed the best years Ive seen as a stoke fan. To be honest the bad times now are infinitely smaller than the bad times from the Chic Bates, Alan Ball Joe Jordan years in my eyes as difficult as that may seem.
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Post by senojbor on Oct 30, 2024 11:40:17 GMT
I have a friend who spent some time with him recently. He said he was brilliant to be fair and said he had to act and with that decsion will come sucess or him losing his job My guess is that his values and SS were not aligned. To be clear there were no detail or reference to SS. I think we need to work with the club and its heirachy rather than against it in order to be sucessful. When we work against each other sucess is so much more difficult to achieve. We can all throw mud about and we all have our view of what makes a good football club, and this varies radically. Ive said it before but I wrote to the club and told them to get rid of TP the season before we missed out on the play offs and then got promoted and enjoyed the best years Ive seen as a stoke fan. To be honest the bad times now are infinitely smaller than the bad times from the Chic Bates, Alan Ball Joe Jordan years in my eyes as difficult as that may seem. ....but he absolutely felt it needed to be done? It was a totally unnecessary. It's done now and we have to give the coach time now |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 30, 2024 11:44:43 GMT
I have a friend who spent some time with him recently. He said he was brilliant to be fair and said he had to act and with that decsion will come sucess or him losing his job but he absolutely felt it needed to be done. My guess is that his values and SS were not aligned. To be clear there were no detail or reference to SS. I think we need to work with the club and its heirachy rather than against it in order to be sucessful. When we work against each other sucess is so much more difficult to achieve. We can all throw mud about and we all have our view of what makes a good football club, and this varies radically. Ive said it before but I wrote to the club and told them to get rid of TP the season before we missed out on the play offs and then got promoted and enjoyed the best years Ive seen as a stoke fan. To be honest the bad times now are infinitely smaller than the bad times from the Chic Bates, Alan Ball Joe Jordan years in my eyes as difficult as that may seem. Thanks for that post. Nice to see a bit of perspective. The reality is none of us will know if Walters has done a good job for months or potentially years. And in reality we’ll probably never know. None of us knows what state the club was in internally when he took over, what the dressing room mood was and nor do we know what’s it’s like now. He might well be shit. He might well be ace. We just don’t know. What I do struggle with is the way some posters seem to want to make Walters the fall guy for every one of our problems. At times it’s as if some actually believe he’s in there carefully plotting our downfall. In reality Walters has as much to lose as anyone if things go tits up. Arguably more to lose than virtually anyone. I get the criticism but what I don’t get is the posters who seem to want him to fail - and it’s usually the ones who didn’t rate him or don’t like him for whatever reason. As the kids would say - get over yourself. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 30, 2024 11:47:05 GMT
I have a friend who spent some time with him recently. He said he was brilliant to be fair and said he had to act and with that decsion will come sucess or him losing his job but he absolutely felt it needed to be done. My guess is that his values and SS were not aligned. To be clear there were no detail or reference to SS. I think we need to work with the club and its heirachy rather than against it in order to be sucessful. When we work against each other sucess is so much more difficult to achieve. We can all throw mud about and we all have our view of what makes a good football club, and this varies radically. Ive said it before but I wrote to the club and told them to get rid of TP the season before we missed out on the play offs and then got promoted and enjoyed the best years Ive seen as a stoke fan. To be honest the bad times now are infinitely smaller than the bad times from the Chic Bates, Alan Ball Joe Jordan years in my eyes as difficult as that may seem. Thanks for that post. Nice to see a bit of perspective. The reality is none of us will know if Walters has done a good job for months or potentially years. And in reality we’ll probably never know. None of us knows what state the club was in internally when he took over, what the dressing room mood was and nor do we know what’s it’s like now. He might well be shit. He might well be ace. We just don’t know. What I do struggle with is the way some posters seem to want to make Walters the fall guy for every one of our problems. At times it’s as if some actually believe he’s in there carefully plotting our downfall. In reality Walters has as much to lose as anyone if things go tits up. Arguably more to lose than virtually anyone. I get the criticism but what I don’t get is the posters who seem to want him to fail - and it’s usually the ones who didn’t rate him or don’t like him for whatever reason. As the kids would say - get over yourself. Who wants him to fail? |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 30, 2024 11:49:28 GMT
Thanks for that post. Nice to see a bit of perspective. The reality is none of us will know if Walters has done a good job for months or potentially years. And in reality we’ll probably never know. None of us knows what state the club was in internally when he took over, what the dressing room mood was and nor do we know what’s it’s like now. He might well be shit. He might well be ace. We just don’t know. What I do struggle with is the way some posters seem to want to make Walters the fall guy for every one of our problems. At times it’s as if some actually believe he’s in there carefully plotting our downfall. In reality Walters has as much to lose as anyone if things go tits up. Arguably more to lose than virtually anyone. I get the criticism but what I don’t get is the posters who seem to want him to fail - and it’s usually the ones who didn’t rate him or don’t like him for whatever reason. As the kids would say - get over yourself. Who wants him to fail? There are a number of posters who disliked him as a player, dislike him as a person and would, I’m sure, be delighted to see him fucked off. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 30, 2024 12:11:23 GMT
There are a number of posters who disliked him as a player, dislike him as a person and would, I’m sure, be delighted to see him fucked off. Yep there are and as many that think the sun shines out of his arse, it’s all about opinions, it’s as simple as that. As for the verdict to date, well things are going really well aren’t they. 19th and one point off the relegation zone, what could be sunnier! One can understand the skepticism in some quarters! |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 30, 2024 12:12:34 GMT
There are a number of posters who disliked him as a player, dislike him as a person and would, I’m sure, be delighted to see him fucked off. I'd be delighted to see him fucked off. But that's because to date he's been a disaster and has done nothing that warrants him keeping his job. Can that change? Of course it can but the signs at the minute are not looking good. It's in everyone's interests he succeeds but the way he's gone about it he's made life very difficult for himself. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 30, 2024 12:14:05 GMT
There are a number of posters who disliked him as a player, dislike him as a person and would, I’m sure, be delighted to see him fucked off. Yep there are and as many that think the sun shines out of his arse, it’s all about opinions, it’s as simple as that. As for the verdict to date, well things are going really well aren’t they. 19th and one point off the relegation zone, what could be sunnier! One can understand the skepticism in some quarters! I don’t know of one who thinks the sun shines out of his arse. There’s a few like me who loved him as a player and think he seems a decent enough bloke in general. But do I think that qualifies him to be a DoF? Obviously no Do I want him to succeed? Yes because logically that means good things for our club. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 30, 2024 12:30:46 GMT
I was gradually won round by Walter’s as a player, wholehearted but limited but crucial in many ways to how we played. I’m not sure of him as a person but have little to base that on in reality, didn’t like how he dealt with Schumacher or all his, what I saw as, self promotion.
As a DOF I have real worry’s, his inexperience for one but it was Coates who employed him, which was a huge risk, as is the hiring of Pelach which is of course a Walters decision.
I’ve watched Stoke for ever but never been so despondent as now, we’ve had good and bad times but to be so unremittingly awful with all our riches is criminal. I could take our past failures as we were skint like most teams but now it’s a different matter, its sheer incompetence from those at the top.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2024 12:33:59 GMT
Seems to have gone missing. Good,he needed to shut up, the DoF shouldn't be front and center imo. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 30, 2024 14:11:10 GMT
Seems to have gone missing. Fortifying his bunker |
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Post by tuum on Oct 30, 2024 16:11:29 GMT
There are a number of posters who disliked him as a player, dislike him as a person and would, I’m sure, be delighted to see him fucked off. I'd be delighted to see him fucked off. But that's because to date he's been a disaster and has done nothing that warrants him keeping his job. Can that change? Of course it can but the signs at the minute are not looking good. It's in everyone's interests he succeeds but the way he's gone about it he's made life very difficult for himself. The poster mentioned that SJW was aware of this fact but he was still prepared to make that decision. The easy option was to let things continue and make the decision once the fans had made it clear they were fed up with SS. At least SJW had the balls to be proactive and unpopular because he believed it was the right decision to make. Time will tell who is right. For now, all we can do is support the club and hope we see some improvement. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 30, 2024 16:24:05 GMT
Seems to have gone missing. I've been his biggest critic but the best thing he's done is disappeared. He was heavily criticised for his constant appearances in the press. I just hope he doesn't reappear after a couple of positive results.  |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2024 16:30:24 GMT
There are a number of posters who disliked him as a player, dislike him as a person and would, I’m sure, be delighted to see him fucked off. I'd be delighted to see him fucked off. But that's because to date he's been a disaster and has done nothing that warrants him keeping his job. Can that change? Of course it can but the signs at the minute are not looking good. It's in everyone's interests he succeeds but the way he's gone about it he's made life very difficult for himself. A disaster? He helped keep us up last season. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 30, 2024 18:38:52 GMT
I've been his biggest critic but the best thing he's done is disappeared. He was heavily criticised for his constant appearances in the press. I just hope he doesn't reappear after a couple of positive results. Ahhh hello owde... haven't heard from you since the WBA game when I stated Walters was out of his depth and pieced together a one dimensional squad. How's that looking? |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 30, 2024 18:39:02 GMT
I've been his biggest critic but the best thing he's done is disappeared. He was heavily criticised for his constant appearances in the press. I just hope he doesn't reappear after a couple of positive results. Ahhh hello owde... haven't heard from you since the WBA game when I stated Walters was out of his depth and pieced together a one dimensional squad. How's that looking? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 30, 2024 18:51:53 GMT
There are a number of posters who disliked him as a player, dislike him as a person and would, I’m sure, be delighted to see him fucked off. I’m one of them, I’ll freely admit it. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 30, 2024 18:59:55 GMT
Apparently Jon Walters makes everyone at the training ground refer to him as 'Big Dog' Why,does he like barking orders? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 30, 2024 19:07:16 GMT
Apparently Jon Walters makes everyone at the training ground refer to him as 'Big Dog' Worked for Westwood. I'm assuming his career is still going from strength to strength? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 30, 2024 20:40:12 GMT
Ahhh hello owde... haven't heard from you since the WBA game when I stated Walters was out of his depth and pieced together a one dimensional squad. How's that looking? I am as disappointed as anyone with our present position. But I do smile inwardly as for some he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. It suits their narrative and sincere hope for failure so they can shout from the rooftops, I told you so! Surely you don’t fall into that category do you? |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 30, 2024 20:42:01 GMT
Ahhh hello owde... haven't heard from you since the WBA game when I stated Walters was out of his depth and pieced together a one dimensional squad. How's that looking? I am as disappointed as anyone with our present position. But I do smile inwardly as for some he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. It suits their narrative and sincere hope for failure so they can shout from the rooftops, I told you so! Surely you don’t fall into that category do you? No not at all and my posting history will show that. It's in no ones interests he fails, but he's made life incredibly hard for himself. |
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