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Post by baconburger on Jun 12, 2024 6:40:21 GMT
I can also remember him having a right shit attitude to younger players polar opposite to Charlie Adam who was known to help them a lot. I can remember 1 particular incident on the pitch but can’t remember the player in question. There’s also a “we”ll play with you now” story involving him and Walters too. Wrong culture to be bringing in. Yeah I do remember that. He also showed contempt towards the crowd on few occasions. Remember him twatting the ball out because the crowd were getting on their backs. He's painted like a saint by some, just like JW. They both did very well out of Stoke City. Yeah I can remember St Jon when he wanted a new contract. Let’s see how he handles it from the other side.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 12, 2024 6:44:40 GMT
Yeah I do remember that. He also showed contempt towards the crowd on few occasions. Remember him twatting the ball out because the crowd were getting on their backs. He's painted like a saint by some, just like JW. They both did very well out of Stoke City. Yeah I can remember St Jon when he wanted a new contract. Let’s see how he handles it from the other side. Yep. Maybe the posters who like to put a 'S' on the JW can remind us how many times had us over a barrel with his contract threats.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 12, 2024 8:24:44 GMT
Yeah I can remember St Jon when he wanted a new contract. Let’s see how he handles it from the other side. Yep. Maybe the posters who like to put a 'S' on the JW can remind us how many times had us over a barrel with his contract threats. Footballer plays hardball over contract? Seriously - what do you expect him to do, roll over and ask for a pay cut? He's played the game so he will know full well how to handle it from the other side of the table. Having someone who knows how to play hardball is exactly what you want in a contract negotiation.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 12, 2024 10:10:59 GMT
All I know is if we had 20 odd players in our squad with his exemplary attitude we'd have minimum finished top half of the table last season. As for whether he's right for us as a coach I've no idea. Popular fella though.. Exemplary attitude? Yeah he was a decent player I can't deny that especially for the price we paid but that's not the debate is it? He was one of the dressing room leaders who oversaw piggate, slapgate, flip-flopgate, towelgate. Almost more gates than my backsies. So please don’t preach about his attitude, he may not have been the instigater but was part of a culture problem during his playing days here. Are we going down the track of employing ex players in pivotal roles just because it seems a good idea and may galvanise support. It all seems risky to me and doubt very much we'll see any benefits. We haven't seen any improvements with either Delap or Shawcross (U23) but they were popular. Well I'm guessing that because the same owners who brought him in before and are bringing him in again must feel his attitude is decent. Can't have pissed people off too badly. Either way he was a very good player for us and as far as I ever saw always put the required effort in. He will be a big help to younger lads coming through i reckon. Everything is a gamble though so I take your point. Hopefully it works out. I'm just pleased that the club seem to be changing things up a bit and are trying to move us forward with a new approach..
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Post by andylgr on Jun 12, 2024 11:47:51 GMT
Exemplary attitude? Yeah he was a decent player I can't deny that especially for the price we paid but that's not the debate is it? He was one of the dressing room leaders who oversaw piggate, slapgate, flip-flopgate, towelgate. Almost more gates than my backsies. So please don’t preach about his attitude, he may not have been the instigater but was part of a culture problem during his playing days here. Are we going down the track of employing ex players in pivotal roles just because it seems a good idea and may galvanise support. It all seems risky to me and doubt very much we'll see any benefits. We haven't seen any improvements with either Delap or Shawcross (U23) but they were popular. I can also remember him having a right shit attitude to younger players polar opposite to Charlie Adam who was known to help them a lot. I can remember 1 particular incident on the pitch but can’t remember the player in question. There’s also a “we”ll play with you now” story involving him and Walters too. Wrong culture to be bringing in. It's very naive if you think that stupid pranks and incidents don't happen in football clubs up and down the country, you only have to listen to all the podcasts doing the rounds to hear that. The difference here is that those incidents were leaked. I don't believe for one minute we had a culture problem and I don't imagine you were thinking that at the time when the players are talking about (Whelan, Walters) were playing key roles on the pitch and were leaders. Those players were part of our most successful period of the this generation. Their work ethic and desire on the pitch was something that was evident and that must mean their training ethic and intensity was the same for them to make such an impact. I would trust those kind of people to know the kind of characters we need to build a good squad over fans on a forum who either have a problem with the Pulis era / get offended by the childish nature of behind the scenes pranks & incidents at a club / or got offended by older players shouting at younger players on a pitch.
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2024 11:58:41 GMT
Yeah I can remember St Jon when he wanted a new contract. Let’s see how he handles it from the other side. Yep. Maybe the posters who like to put a 'S' on the JW can remind us how many times had us over a barrel with his contract threats. proven strong negotiating skills then, good poacher turned game keeper
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 12, 2024 12:10:24 GMT
I can also remember him having a right shit attitude to younger players polar opposite to Charlie Adam who was known to help them a lot. I can remember 1 particular incident on the pitch but can’t remember the player in question. There’s also a “we”ll play with you now” story involving him and Walters too. Wrong culture to be bringing in. Could it have been Ngoy? He got deployed.
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Post by anchorman on Jun 12, 2024 12:26:49 GMT
Exemplary attitude? Yeah he was a decent player I can't deny that especially for the price we paid but that's not the debate is it? He was one of the dressing room leaders who oversaw piggate, slapgate, flip-flopgate, towelgate. Almost more gates than my backsies. So please don’t preach about his attitude, he may not have been the instigater but was part of a culture problem during his playing days here. Are we going down the track of employing ex players in pivotal roles just because it seems a good idea and may galvanise support. It all seems risky to me and doubt very much we'll see any benefits. We haven't seen any improvements with either Delap or Shawcross (U23) but they were popular. I can also remember him having a right shit attitude to younger players polar opposite to Charlie Adam who was known to help them a lot. I can remember 1 particular incident on the pitch but can’t remember the player in question. There’s also a “we”ll play with you now” story involving him and Walters too. Wrong culture to be bringing in. Polar opposite to Charlie Adam? Really? Firstly, SJW is and always be a Stoke City legend. His contribution to SCFC far out weigh's that of Charlie Adam by a country mile. Adam's ridiculous sending off v Everton all but cost us our Premier League status all be it not the only contributively factor. And when it comes to him encouraging young players I got sick to death with him encouraging Man Citeh or other so called big clubs to come and sign our best youngsters. Egotistical gob shite who's not fit to lace SJ's boots.
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Post by anchorman on Jun 12, 2024 12:35:01 GMT
Yeah I do remember that. He also showed contempt towards the crowd on few occasions. Remember him twatting the ball out because the crowd were getting on their backs. He's painted like a saint by some, just like JW. They both did very well out of Stoke City. Yeah I can remember St Jon when he wanted a new contract. Let’s see how he handles it from the other side. It's called negotiating and you simply fight for the best possible deal depending upon what side of the table you are sat. It happens day in and day out. As a player SJW's tried to get the possible deal for him and his family. In his current position he will ensure the best deal for the club, simple as that. It's his job.
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Post by march4 on Jun 12, 2024 12:46:52 GMT
Yep. Maybe the posters who like to put a 'S' on the JW can remind us how many times had us over a barrel with his contract threats. proven strong negotiating skills then, good poacher turned game keeper Exactly.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 12, 2024 12:55:13 GMT
All I know is if we had 20 odd players in our squad with his exemplary attitude we'd have minimum finished top half of the table last season. As for whether he's right for us as a coach I've no idea. Popular fella though.. Exemplary attitude? Yeah he was a decent player I can't deny that especially for the price we paid but that's not the debate is it? He was one of the dressing room leaders who oversaw piggate, slapgate, flip-flopgate, towelgate. Almost more gates than my backsies. So please don’t preach about his attitude, he may not have been the instigater but was part of a culture problem during his playing days here. Are we going down the track of employing ex players in pivotal roles just because it seems a good idea and may galvanise support. It all seems risky to me and doubt very much we'll see any benefits. We haven't seen any improvements with either Delap or Shawcross (U23) but they were popular. I have no real feelings towards Whelan either way really. But let’s not forget him turning to Hughes telling him that N’Goy was ‘fucking shit’ as the 18 year old (possibly on his debut?!) misplaced a pass
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Post by baconburger on Jun 12, 2024 15:23:04 GMT
I can also remember him having a right shit attitude to younger players polar opposite to Charlie Adam who was known to help them a lot. I can remember 1 particular incident on the pitch but can’t remember the player in question. There’s also a “we”ll play with you now” story involving him and Walters too. Wrong culture to be bringing in. Polar opposite to Charlie Adam? Really? Firstly, SJW is and always be a Stoke City legend. His contribution to SCFC far out weigh's that of Charlie Adam by a country mile. Adam's ridiculous sending off v Everton all but cost us our Premier League status all be it not the only contributively factor. And when it comes to him encouraging young players I got sick to death with him encouraging Man Citeh or other so called big clubs to come and sign our best youngsters. Egotistical gob shite who's not fit to lace SJ's boots. Talking up our prospects you wouldn’t like that no doubt you prefer a certain’little old Stoke’ mentality and ‘He’s just a kiddie’ take on development players. I mean Walter’s has already rumoured to be sniffing around a player Adam has been helping (Weirdo?). Maybe JW didn’t fancy putting in his time developing players so jumped ahead to be an executive he’s a Tory boy after all.
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Post by baconburger on Jun 12, 2024 15:26:15 GMT
Exemplary attitude? Yeah he was a decent player I can't deny that especially for the price we paid but that's not the debate is it? He was one of the dressing room leaders who oversaw piggate, slapgate, flip-flopgate, towelgate. Almost more gates than my backsies. So please don’t preach about his attitude, he may not have been the instigater but was part of a culture problem during his playing days here. Are we going down the track of employing ex players in pivotal roles just because it seems a good idea and may galvanise support. It all seems risky to me and doubt very much we'll see any benefits. We haven't seen any improvements with either Delap or Shawcross (U23) but they were popular. I have no real feelings towards Whelan either way really. But let’s not forget him turning to Hughes telling him that N’Goy was ‘fucking shit’ as the 18 year old (possibly on his debut?!) misplaced a pass I mean he was such a slick passer himself. I’ll borrow a phrase from further up the thread, not fit to lick N’Zonzi’s boots.
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Post by anchorman on Jun 12, 2024 17:33:20 GMT
Little Stoke? No I'm very much for Big Stoke thanks all the same!
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Post by anchorman on Jun 12, 2024 17:37:47 GMT
Oh and actually I think you'll find that JW isn't the Tory he once presented himself as after meeting a bloke who had done a hell of a lot for his community. To be fair to Jon he listened and he learnt something. Delighted to hear that you're not a Tory in spite of the nonsense you talk!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 18:43:18 GMT
Exemplary attitude? Yeah he was a decent player I can't deny that especially for the price we paid but that's not the debate is it? He was one of the dressing room leaders who oversaw piggate, slapgate, flip-flopgate, towelgate. Almost more gates than my backsies. So please don’t preach about his attitude, he may not have been the instigater but was part of a culture problem during his playing days here. Are we going down the track of employing ex players in pivotal roles just because it seems a good idea and may galvanise support. It all seems risky to me and doubt very much we'll see any benefits. We haven't seen any improvements with either Delap or Shawcross (U23) but they were popular. I have no real feelings towards Whelan either way really. But let’s not forget him turning to Hughes telling him that N’Goy was ‘fucking shit’ as the 18 year old (possibly on his debut?!) misplaced a pass To be fair, N’Goy has not done a huge amount to say otherwise since that rumored comment.
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Post by a on Jun 12, 2024 22:23:40 GMT
Well that was a few pages of drivel 😂
Some of you must be angels.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 14, 2024 9:31:41 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 14, 2024 9:36:39 GMT
a Nathan Jones disciple haha
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 9:41:37 GMT
Interesting appointment
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Post by baconburger on Jun 14, 2024 9:42:16 GMT
a Nathan Jones disciple haha Well nobody can say it’s predictable.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 14, 2024 9:57:43 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-chris-cohen-nathan-jones-9341848Interestingly he's best mates with Mark 'Mr West Ham' Noble. www.whufc.com/news/mr-west-ham-academy-footballWhen I first joined West Ham, there was a lad at the Academy who I instantly clicked with – Chris Cohen. He was such a good player and we had a really healthy… I wouldn’t say rivalry because we were best mates, but we would never be on the same team in training! We’d end up scrapping with each other because we both wanted to win so much. We’d end up in the indoor pitch at Chadwell Heath, literally fighting and ripping each other’s bibs off and going into mad tackles on one another. Then, after training, we’d be best friends again. Chris was a couple of months older than me and he progressed a bit quicker than me to the first team, making his debut as a 16-year-old against Sunderland in December 2003 – eight months before me – and I remember thinking ‘I want to be there so badly’. His early success at West Ham drove me on to get better myself because he got into the first team quicker than I did and played quicker than I did and was a top, top player and an even better person.
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Post by pavel on Jun 14, 2024 10:10:32 GMT
I like what I've read about him so an interesting choice, so we have a young DOF, young chief coach and young assistant coach, looks like a bit of a plan, god forbid!
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