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Post by baconburger on Nov 18, 2024 10:13:47 GMT
I’m not a massive fan of Gibson but I’m just wondering is there a defender in the Championship who hasn’t been responsible for a couple of goals? The shit doled out to our defenders generally is a load of crap. They are reasonable championship defenders, they make mistakes that’s why they’re championship defenders not premier league defenders (who incidentally make mistakes too) . Gibson is neither great nor terrible but imo makes as many mistakes as a younger model so what’s the point in signing him on a big wage? Same problem different names they get crucified because the team doesn’t score enough goals. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 18, 2024 10:32:37 GMT
I’m not a massive fan of Gibson but I’m just wondering is there a defender in the Championship who hasn’t been responsible for a couple of goals? The shit doled out to our defenders generally is a load of crap. They are reasonable championship defenders, they make mistakes that’s why they’re championship defenders not premier league defenders (who incidentally make mistakes too) . Gibson is neither great nor terrible but imo makes as many mistakes as a younger model so what’s the point in signing him on a big wage? Same problem different names they get crucified because the team doesn’t score enough goals. I'd also add that we have not any midfield player capable of providing any decent cover for our defenders for so long I cant even remember! |
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2024 10:43:24 GMT
I’m not a massive fan of Gibson but I’m just wondering is there a defender in the Championship who hasn’t been responsible for a couple of goals? The shit doled out to our defenders generally is a load of crap. They are reasonable championship defenders, they make mistakes that’s why they’re championship defenders not premier league defenders (who incidentally make mistakes too) . Gibson is neither great nor terrible but imo makes as many mistakes as a younger model so what’s the point in signing him on a big wage? Same problem different names they get crucified because the team doesn’t score enough goals. Generally agree however was expecting Gibson to be a higher* standard given he's been in England squads in the past * higher meaning better than average not necessarily Prem standard just better than he's been |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 18, 2024 10:55:51 GMT
I’m not a massive fan of Gibson but I’m just wondering is there a defender in the Championship who hasn’t been responsible for a couple of goals? The shit doled out to our defenders generally is a load of crap. They are reasonable championship defenders, they make mistakes that’s why they’re championship defenders not premier league defenders (who incidentally make mistakes too) . Gibson is neither great nor terrible but imo makes as many mistakes as a younger model so what’s the point in signing him on a big wage? Same problem different names they get crucified because the team doesn’t score enough goals. Because he has the experience to brush mistakes to the back of his mind and get on with the game? Evidence is the attitude he showed after the mix up with Johanssen, leading the charge and scoring the goal. His head was up, not looking at the ground. I think the team need that sort of character even if he's not the best footballer he shows the right fighting attitude and he has played for England hasn't he? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 18, 2024 11:01:42 GMT
Out of interest which ones? Fell over for the second goal at Sheffield Utd, header past the keeper v Derby and failed to track his man v Millwall. Our last 3 goals conceded The Derby header was full on Viks fault. Yes he slipped over out wide in the build up for Sheffield's second but there was plenty of players between him and the goal. The final piss weak shot from Campbell went through Wilmot's legs and Vik got a hand to it but failed to keep it out. Ok he did fail to track Coburn in the Millwall game I'll give you that but Phillips also failed to track his man who got the vital touch which stranded Vik meaning Coburn had the tap in. This escapegoating of one player is childish and smacks of agenda. Like I said earlier Johannsen has been directly involved in EVERY goal we've conceded in the league this season but no-one in their right mind would say he was at fault for "many" of those goals. By the nature of the fact that he is a defender and a central defender at that it means he will in some way be involved in most goals we concede. The stats show he has made more blocks than any other defender in the league. That is a positive which indicates he's doing something right. But it's also concerning that our midfield is allowing him and the other defenders to be put under such pressure that eventually one will slip or lose concentration. Gibson's by no means perfect but he's a decent centre back, seem like a good lad and a good leader. Does he need replacing with better? Probably. But at this moment in time he's the best we've got. I just find this odd desire to rubbish certain players/manager/DoF rather infantile and somewhat distateful. |
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Post by mcw on Nov 18, 2024 11:40:15 GMT
The shit doled out to our defenders generally is a load of crap. They are reasonable championship defenders, they make mistakes that’s why they’re championship defenders not premier league defenders (who incidentally make mistakes too) . Gibson is neither great nor terrible but imo makes as many mistakes as a younger model so what’s the point in signing him on a big wage? Same problem different names they get crucified because the team doesn’t score enough goals. I'd also add that we have not any midfield player capable of providing any decent cover for our defenders for so long I cant even remember! This is exactly the reason, our defenders are having to work like buggery given how porous and weak our midfield has consistently been. We concede so many chances/ make errors at the back due to this. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 18, 2024 11:50:14 GMT
6 out of 10 for me so far this season. He seemed like a great signing in the summer, let's hope he improves to somewhere near our summer expectations. No reason why he cant with a better midfield in front of him.
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Post by skip on Nov 18, 2024 12:07:20 GMT
6 out of 10 for me so far this season. He seemed like a great signing in the summer, let's hope he improves to somewhere near our summer expectations. No reason why he cant with a better midfield in front of him. I'll be elated if as the season progresses, Gibson and Vik no longer make the most blocked and saved shots lists as half the league put together, as it will hopefully illustrate that we aren't giving the opposition as many goal scoring opportunities. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Nov 18, 2024 12:35:37 GMT
He has to make so many blocks because he so often out of position to stop it before a shot is got off. He’s been utterly wank.  |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 18, 2024 13:05:45 GMT
6 out of 10 for me so far this season. He seemed like a great signing in the summer, let's hope he improves to somewhere near our summer expectations. No reason why he cant with a better midfield in front of him. I'll be elated if as the season progresses, Gibson and Vik no longer make the most blocked and saved shots lists as half the league put together, as it will hopefully illustrate that we aren't giving the opposition as many goal scoring opportunities. It's mostly because the midfield are so poor at closing down opposition players, doesn't surprise me at all. Its surely not the defences fault that they are having to block so many shots, their players are finding it too easy to get into unopposed positions to shoot. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 18, 2024 13:58:25 GMT
6 out of 10 for me so far this season. He seemed like a great signing in the summer, let's hope he improves to somewhere near our summer expectations. No reason why he cant with a better midfield in front of him. A quality midfield, and the new Clayton Wood Player's Pavilion, when finished, should make all the difference! |
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Post by figo85 on Nov 18, 2024 14:19:46 GMT
He has been directly involved or at fault for many of our conceded goals recently. I’m more than happy for you to call me clueless, it doesn’t change the fact he’s bang average. Out of interest which ones? Derby, Sheff UTD, could well be blamed for letting his man go vs Millwall, the same could be said for the second vs Bristol. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 18, 2024 15:37:10 GMT
What bloke really does!?  My pink Fred Perry shows off my blue eyes like no other.  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 18, 2024 15:39:45 GMT
Out of interest which ones? Derby, Sheff UTD, could well be blamed for letting his man go vs Millwall, the same could be said for the second vs Bristol. I've replied to those about 7 posts above mate. Not having it that he was to blame for any of those. In fact you lose the argument when you mention Derby. For goodness sake he's a central defender. It's highly likely most of the goals we've conceded have gone past him. It's like saying all the goals we've conceded were Johannsen's fault as he could have saved them. Its not a binary thing there are lots of other factors to consider when a goal is scored or conceded. Great play by the attacker, shit play by his team mates exposing him, poor choice of footwear (causing him to slip) and simple bad luck. We've all moaned about the number of shots Viktor has had to face in games but Gibson (and the rest of the defence) have had to face many more shots/attacks than him a lot of which Gibson himself has blocked. The more attacks you face the greater percentage chance you'll a) make a mistake or b) your attacker will get it right or get lucky and score. It isn't all about one person it's a team game. I actually think the defence both individually and collectively haven't been too bad, it's the lack of cover for them from the midfield that is exposing them time and time again. Gibson's not perfect, far from it, but I just think it's unfair to even suggest he's solely at fault for 'many' of the goals we've conceded so far this season. |
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Post by a on Nov 18, 2024 21:29:37 GMT
Oof! Doesn’t fit the (clueless ) narrative What clueless narrative is that then? He’s been getting bashed for being “wank” And I think it’s wrong. It’s opinion I guess but it’s disappointing to see another Stoke player getting abuse on here, although it isn’t surprising. At least he’s dug us out the shit recently and maybe he is more settled now, as are the others around him. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 18, 2024 21:34:52 GMT
He has to make so many blocks because he so often out of position to stop it before a shot is got off. He’s been utterly wank. OTT as usual God help you (& us) if you have to watch Stoke in League 1 again The likes of Justin Whittle and Steven Tweed would give you a heart attack Your very lucky having only watched Stoke in the last 10/15 years or so No I’m not. We’ve played more in the top flight than any other league havent we? And definitely way more than league one so stop making shit up . |
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 18, 2024 21:50:46 GMT
OTT as usual God help you (& us) if you have to watch Stoke in League 1 again The likes of Justin Whittle and Steven Tweed would give you a heart attack Your very lucky having only watched Stoke in the last 10/15 years or so No I’m not. We’ve played more in the top flight than any other league havent we? And definitely way more than league one so stop making shit up . 62 seasons in the top tier, 47 in the second tier and 8 in the third. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2024 22:02:39 GMT
OTT as usual God help you (& us) if you have to watch Stoke in League 1 again The likes of Justin Whittle and Steven Tweed would give you a heart attack Your very lucky having only watched Stoke in the last 10/15 years or so No I’m not. We’ve played more in the top flight than any other league havent we? And definitely way more than league one so stop making shit up . All I'm saying is your criticism of Gibson is OTT Struggle to see how you could be more vitriolic if we had someone genuinely superwank instead of a bit disappointing Anyway I'd play Gibson Saturday |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 19, 2024 0:26:46 GMT
Which one? The highlights I saw if anyone it was Wilmot for both. The 2nd he went to ground for a tackle he didn’t need to do it left the ball at a sheff u player who pass to Campbell |
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Post by tuum on Nov 19, 2024 0:51:48 GMT
What clueless narrative is that then? He’s been getting bashed for being “wank” And I think it’s wrong. It’s opinion I guess but it’s disappointing to see another Stoke player getting abuse on here, although it isn’t surprising. At least he’s dug us out the shit recently and maybe he is more settled now, as are the others around him. Can't argue with what you say. It was the cluelesss bit I didn't agree with. I don't think we need to use abuse just because we don't rate a player. Most of us have been guilty of that at some point but some of us obviously have no filter. We should all try to calm our language a bit (the above is not aimed at you it is just a general observation). As discussed above there are many reasons why Gibson has the most blocks. Some to do with him, others to do with the team as a whole. In general, I think Gibson has been poor. I admit am not judging him objectively but no fan does. I am judging him against expectations, salary, experience etc. So, I was expecting more from him than, say, Wilmott or Rose. Defensively, I am a little underwhelmed but I think we have problems as a team in that dept.. it's not all the fault of the defence. I am less than impressed with his ability on the ball and his general lack of urgency or positivity with the ball at his feet. I was expecting better. Pleased to see he has contributed at the other end. Been a long time since a defender has scored a couple from set pieces. He is doing his bit on that front. |
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Post by skip on Nov 19, 2024 10:20:11 GMT
My pink Fred Perry shows off my blue eyes like no other.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2024 21:31:57 GMT
No I’m not. We’ve played more in the top flight than any other league havent we? And definitely way more than league one so stop making shit up . All I'm saying is your criticism of Gibson is OTT Struggle to see how you could be more vitriolic if we had someone genuinely superwank instead of a bit disappointing Anyway I'd play Gibson Saturday It’s the same disease we had with goalies. Bonham was lauded by too many as being ok or good when he was fucking shite because we were starved of a good goalie since Bego. The best centre half we’ve had in this league is Collins and he was barely used there. Then Souttar. And then not one of them has been good to average other than them pair in the time we’ve been down. But all manner of shit like Gibson, Wilmot, Jagielka will be lauded. And for that? Not being able to finish in the top half and having a wank defence since we’ve been down. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 19, 2024 21:42:39 GMT
Which one? The highlights I saw if anyone it was Wilmot for both. The 2nd he went to ground for a tackle he didn’t need to do it left the ball at a sheff u player who pass to Campbell But the point I was making still stands. If Cannon had have closed his man down better the ball wouldn't have been played forward. If Junho had been covering round Gibson wouldn't have been dragged out of the middle. If Wilmot had kept his legs shut Campbells piss weak shot wouldn't have gone through them and if Viktor had got a stronger hand on it, it would have stayed out. It's all nonsense I agree but I'm trying to highlight the fact that there are lots of other factors at play other than simply Gibson making a mistake and a goal being scored. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 19, 2024 23:40:04 GMT
The 2nd he went to ground for a tackle he didn’t need to do it left the ball at a sheff u player who pass to Campbell But the point I was making still stands. If Cannon had have closed his man down better the ball wouldn't have been played forward. If Junho had been covering round Gibson wouldn't have been dragged out of the middle. If Wilmot had kept his legs shut Campbells piss weak shot wouldn't have gone through them and if Viktor had got a stronger hand on it, it would have stayed out. It's all nonsense I agree but I'm trying to highlight the fact that there are lots of other factors at play other than simply Gibson making a mistake and a goal being scored. tbf mate it was a comedy of errors. Like you say it could have been avoided before it got to Gibson and after come to that. I must admit I have let it be known my dislike of Gibson but can see why he plays. I think he’s good for the young ones. I have also seen him bollocking junho and by god he needed it. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 20, 2024 10:12:32 GMT
But the point I was making still stands. If Cannon had have closed his man down better the ball wouldn't have been played forward. If Junho had been covering round Gibson wouldn't have been dragged out of the middle. If Wilmot had kept his legs shut Campbells piss weak shot wouldn't have gone through them and if Viktor had got a stronger hand on it, it would have stayed out. It's all nonsense I agree but I'm trying to highlight the fact that there are lots of other factors at play other than simply Gibson making a mistake and a goal being scored. tbf mate it was a comedy of errors. Like you say it could have been avoided before it got to Gibson and after come to that. I must admit I have let it be known my dislike of Gibson but can see why he plays. I think he’s good for the young ones. I have also seen him bollocking junho and by god he needed it. Ok mate. Must admit he’s not been the player I thought we were getting….yet. I just bridle at this escapegoating of our own players (not a dig at you btw). I’m all for constructive and occasionally deconstructive criticism but some on here are so agenda driven it’s unbelievable. Well no in some cases it’s very believable. Let’s leave it at that. Gibson isn’t the son of god but he’s very far from a naughty boy. In my opinion. |
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Post by moon on Nov 20, 2024 11:19:17 GMT
All I'm saying is your criticism of Gibson is OTT Struggle to see how you could be more vitriolic if we had someone genuinely superwank instead of a bit disappointing Anyway I'd play Gibson Saturday It’s the same disease we had with goalies. Bonham was lauded by too many as being ok or good when he was fucking shite because we were starved of a good goalie since Bego. The best centre half we’ve had in this league is Collins and he was barely used there. Then Souttar. And then not one of them has been good to average other than them pair in the time we’ve been down. But all manner of shit like Gibson, Wilmot, Jagielka will be lauded. And for that? Not being able to finish in the top half and having a wank defence since we’ve been down.
Collins was very promising but he wasn't the finished article at the time and he had a few mistakes in him - I think he was used out of position at RB as he was better suited to it than the other options we had at the time. Collins is a very good player now and deserves to be playing at the level he is but he wasn't at that level when he was playing for us. Souttar was actually a more important CB even though I don't rate him anywhere near as much as Collins.
Gibson is a solid CB at this level, he hasn't had the best start to his Stoke career but it's way too early to write him off as shit, I think he'll do fine here.
Overall we've made some disastrous transfer decisions in this league though, not just at CB but everywhere on the pitch, and bizarrely, none of the managers made sorting the defence out a priority.
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 20, 2024 13:32:39 GMT
tbf mate it was a comedy of errors. Like you say it could have been avoided before it got to Gibson and after come to that. I must admit I have let it be known my dislike of Gibson but can see why he plays. I think he’s good for the young ones. I have also seen him bollocking junho and by god he needed it. Ok mate. Must admit he’s not been the player I thought we were getting….yet. I just bridle at this escapegoating of our own players (not a dig at you btw). I’m all for constructive and occasionally deconstructive criticism but some on here are so agenda driven it’s unbelievable. Well no in some cases it’s very believable. Let’s leave it at that. Gibson isn’t the son of god but he’s very far from a naughty boy. In my opinion. I agree mate loads on here have agendas which like yourself I really don’t like. I am warming to Gibson he’s played well the last 2 games. He’s getting better and let’s hope he keeps improving like the rest of the team. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 20, 2024 16:02:52 GMT
No I’m not. We’ve played more in the top flight than any other league havent we? And definitely way more than league one so stop making shit up . All I'm saying is your criticism of Gibson is OTT Struggle to see how you could be more vitriolic if we had someone genuinely superwank instead of a bit disappointing Anyway I'd play Gibson Saturday It gets more reaction if he’s deliberately OTT, contrary or irrational. |
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