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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 21:19:09 GMT
Asian families in the UK aren't doing the exact same radicalisation ? Ah, I see what you mean. No I don't agree that what's good for the goose is good for gander. I think they're both fundamentally wrong. That sort of thinking is going to get us absolutely nowhere save for more division.
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Post by foster on Jun 1, 2024 21:20:54 GMT
Probably be an idea to read the thread mate. Probably an idea to not cherry pick videos mate
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Post by henry on Jun 1, 2024 21:22:10 GMT
Asian families in the UK aren't doing the exact same radicalisation ? Ah, I see what you mean. No I don't agree that what's good for the goose is good for gander. I think they're both fundamentally wrong. Completely agree Paul, but what happens if there is not some sort of balance ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 21:28:08 GMT
Ah, I see what you mean. No I don't agree that what's good for the goose is good for gander. I think they're both fundamentally wrong. Completely agree Paul, but what happens if there is not some sort of balance ? Teaching children to be racists, will never provide 'balance'. It's like encouraging kids to carry knives because other kids do.
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Post by prettything on Jun 1, 2024 21:29:21 GMT
If you could share that poll that would be fantastic. Without seeing it, I would suspect that it would be more about supporting Palestine and the ongoing genocide against them rather than supporting Hamas and their terrorist attack on those innocent Israel civilians last year. It would be great to see the poll and the specific questions that were asked, that resulted in that cumulative response. www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/artc-46-percent-of-uk-muslims-support-hamas-majority-skeptical-of-atrocities-pollhenryjacksonsociety.org/2024/04/08/only-one-in-four-british-muslims-believe-hamas-committed-murder-and-rape-in-israel-on-october-7th/Thanks Dave. Would be great to see the how the questioning was framed. However, the really concerning output from the poll is the percentage of young Muslims who responded in regard to how we are failing as a country in regard to the integration question. Young people are feeling alienated more than ever in this country at present, regardless of colour or creed. This seems to more prevalent across our young Muslim generation. Itās clear that more needs to be done. Politics of division has been exacerbated by our sitting government for far to long, with the current countries ills being blamed on our youth, specifically those of colour,to shield against the mismanagement and corruption of those in power for far to long. We need a reset, or the discontent will accelerate whilst division and disgusting threads like these will increase .
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Post by henry on Jun 1, 2024 21:33:09 GMT
Completely agree Paul, but what happens if there is not some sort of balance ? Teaching children to be racists, will never provide 'balance'. It's like encouraging kids to carry knives because other kids do. Again i agree, but you are dodging the question.
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Post by knype on Jun 1, 2024 21:34:18 GMT
Probably an idea to not cherry pick videos mate As I said, it'd be an idea to actually read the thread. As I said, Don't pick 1 video out of 100s to back your views up
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 21:35:03 GMT
Teaching children to be racists, will never provide 'balance'. It's like encouraging kids to carry knives because other kids do. Again i agree, but you are dodging the question. If my answer doesn't address your question, then I'm failing to understand it mate. Can you expand?
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Post by knype on Jun 1, 2024 21:36:40 GMT
Completely agree Paul, but what happens if there is not some sort of balance ? Teaching children to be racists, will never provide 'balance'. It's like encouraging kids to carry knives because other kids do. Or Klashnikovs and Hamas scarves ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 21:37:16 GMT
As I said, it'd be an idea to actually read the thread. As I said, Don't pick 1 video out of 100s to back your views up It'd be loads easier and far less boring for everybody else, if you actually read the thread knype, than you repeating the same thing over and over.
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Post by henry on Jun 1, 2024 21:37:30 GMT
Again i agree, but you are dodging the question. If my answer doesn't address your question, then I'm failing to understand it mate. Can you expand? No. You get my point.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 21:38:30 GMT
Teaching children to be racists, will never provide 'balance'. It's like encouraging kids to carry knives because other kids do. Or Klashnikovs and Hamas scarves ? Christ alive! š¤¦āāļø
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Post by knype on Jun 1, 2024 21:41:26 GMT
As I said, Don't pick 1 video out of 100s to back your views up It'd be loads easier and far less boring for everybody else, if you actually read the thread knype, than you repeating the same thing over and over. You're stuck on repeat on every thread ffs š¤£š¤£š¤£
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Post by knype on Jun 1, 2024 21:43:47 GMT
Or Klashnikovs and Hamas scarves ? Christ alive! š¤¦āāļø ??
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 21:44:16 GMT
If my answer doesn't address your question, then I'm failing to understand it mate. Can you expand? No. You get my point. Henry I'm not interested in playing games. I answered your question and you said that you agreed with me but then bizarrely also said I was dodging your question. I then politely asked you to explain what you mean, if you're not going to do that and then accuse me of knowing something that I don't, then I'm not sure what you are expecting me to say?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2024 21:47:47 GMT
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Post by knype on Jun 1, 2024 21:48:21 GMT
Another worthless, pointless tweet.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2024 21:49:58 GMT
Another worthless, pointless tweet. Here we go again.....
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2024 21:50:52 GMT
Its been a bad day for you Huddy hasnāt itš
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 1, 2024 21:51:49 GMT
It does amuse me. The same cranks who are so scrupulously calling out the racism on todays march never, fucking never highlight the same isolated shit that goes down on the pro Palestine marches. Fucking hypocrisy. Isolated incidents have been highlighted and condemned on the Israel thread around the Palestinian marches. The marches on both sides have been infiltrated by a small majority of trouble makers, whilst lots of people have behaved peacefully. Some people think that hundreds of people shouting āFrom the river to the seaā is anti-Semitic, some think it merely highlights the need for freedom in that area of the region. Whilst some people today think that hundreds of people shouting chants of āFuck Allahā and other similar things are anti-Muslim bigotry and others think that Islam is fair game for criticism/ridicule. Iām not actually sure what everyone is arguing about?š
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 22:04:07 GMT
It does amuse me. The same cranks who are so scrupulously calling out the racism on todays march never, fucking never highlight the same isolated shit that goes down on the pro Palestine marches. Fucking hypocrisy. Isolated incidents have been highlighted and condemned on the Israel thread around the Palestinian marches. The marches on both sides have been infiltrated by a small majority of trouble makers, whilst lots of people have behaved peacefully. Some people think that hundreds of people shouting āFrom the river to the seaā is anti-Semitic, some think it merely highlights the need for freedom in that area of the region. Whilst some people today think that hundreds of people shouting chants of āFuck Allahā and other similar things are anti-Muslim bigotry and others think that Islam is fair game for criticism/ridicule. Iām not actually sure what everyone is arguing about?š Indeed. I've previously criticised dickheads dressing themselves up (and in some cases their kids up) in Hamas garb. But let's not be in any doubt here, chanting "Who the fuck is Allah?" IS racist but chanting "from the river to the sea" ISN'T. If there were examples on the peace marches of protesters chanting "Who the fuck is Moses" or Abraham, then that would need calling out too but as far as I'm aware this hasn't happened.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 1, 2024 22:11:08 GMT
Isolated incidents have been highlighted and condemned on the Israel thread around the Palestinian marches. The marches on both sides have been infiltrated by a small majority of trouble makers, whilst lots of people have behaved peacefully. Some people think that hundreds of people shouting āFrom the river to the seaā is anti-Semitic, some think it merely highlights the need for freedom in that area of the region. Whilst some people today think that hundreds of people shouting chants of āFuck Allahā and other similar things are anti-Muslim bigotry and others think that Islam is fair game for criticism/ridicule. Iām not actually sure what everyone is arguing about?š Indeed. I've previously criticised dickheads dressing themselves up (and in some cases their kids up) in Hamas garb. But let's not be in any doubt here, chanting "Who the fuck is Allah?" IS racist but chanting "from the river to the sea" ISN'T. If there were examples on the peace marches of protesters chanting "Who the fuck is Moses" or Abraham, then that would need calling out too but as far as I'm aware this hasn't happened. As far as I could see today the march was a load of people singing songs such as "England till I die", speeches from the likes of Laurence Fox, Tommy Robinson and Calvin Robinson shouting meaningless platitudes such as "This is our country and we want it back", banners such as "This is London not Londonistan" being held up, and an endless stream of anti-Muslim bile. And London appeared to be used as a giant urinal for those who turned up. If that's what constitutes an entertaining Saturday afternoon then each to their own I guess..........
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2024 22:15:05 GMT
Its been a bad day for you Huddy hasnāt itš Not really mate....in fact not at all. Odd statement from you there.
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Post by mrnovember on Jun 1, 2024 22:15:39 GMT
It does amuse me. The same cranks who are so scrupulously calling out the racism on todays march never, fucking never highlight the same isolated shit that goes down on the pro Palestine marches. Fucking hypocrisy. Isolated incidents have been highlighted and condemned on the Israel thread around the Palestinian marches. The marches on both sides have been infiltrated by a small majority of trouble makers, whilst lots of people have behaved peacefully. Some people think that hundreds of people shouting āFrom the river to the seaā is anti-Semitic, some think it merely highlights the need for freedom in that area of the region. Whilst some people today think that hundreds of people shouting chants of āFuck Allahā and other similar things are anti-Muslim bigotry and others think that Islam is fair game for criticism/ridicule. Iām not actually sure what everyone is arguing about?š Does it fuck have a day off
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2024 22:17:37 GMT
Its been a bad day for you Huddy hasnāt itš Not really mate....in fact not at all. Odd statement from you there. Its not at all,you were dying for trouble today so you could jump all over tonight
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 1, 2024 22:29:41 GMT
Isolated incidents have been highlighted and condemned on the Israel thread around the Palestinian marches. The marches on both sides have been infiltrated by a small majority of trouble makers, whilst lots of people have behaved peacefully. Some people think that hundreds of people shouting āFrom the river to the seaā is anti-Semitic, some think it merely highlights the need for freedom in that area of the region. Whilst some people today think that hundreds of people shouting chants of āFuck Allahā and other similar things are anti-Muslim bigotry and others think that Islam is fair game for criticism/ridicule. Iām not actually sure what everyone is arguing about?š Indeed. I've previously criticised dickheads dressing themselves up (and in some cases their kids up) in Hamas garb. But let's not be in any doubt here, chanting "Who the fuck is Allah?" IS racist but chanting "from the river to the sea" ISN'T. If there were examples on the peace marches of protesters chanting "Who the fuck is Moses" or Abraham, then that would need calling out too but as far as I'm aware this hasn't happened. You'll have to indulge me here, I'm quite dim at the best of times, but asking who the fuck a make believe deity is, is racist, but surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population that actually exists isn't? It's two sets of useful idiots being antagonised by self serving deviants who are manipulating national and international fuck ups to justify their own shithouse positions. The Met have made their bed and are having to lie in it, which is why these ridiculous events seem to be allowed to occur on a never ending basis, feeding the furore that is constantly stoked thanks to shite on social media.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 1, 2024 22:48:31 GMT
Indeed. I've previously criticised dickheads dressing themselves up (and in some cases their kids up) in Hamas garb. But let's not be in any doubt here, chanting "Who the fuck is Allah?" IS racist but chanting "from the river to the sea" ISN'T. If there were examples on the peace marches of protesters chanting "Who the fuck is Moses" or Abraham, then that would need calling out too but as far as I'm aware this hasn't happened. You'll have to indulge me here, I'm quite dim at the best of times, but asking who the fuck a make believe deity is, is racist, but surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population that actually exists isn't? It's two sets of useful idiots being antagonised by self serving deviants who are manipulating national and international fuck ups to justify their own shithouse positions. The Met have made their bed and are having to lie in it, which is why these ridiculous events seem to be allowed to occur on a never ending basis, feeding the furore that is constantly stoked thanks to shite on social media. I've come to the point where the thought of marching to protest anything seems pointless to me. I think if you'd even asked me five or definitely ten years ago I would have disagreed. The question was raised on this thread by someone and BJR on another. What the fuck shall WE do about it? some mad mullah shouting for Sharia Law or equally some loon stirring up the legitimate citizens and residents with white supremacist bile. Our political leaders are to blame for this mess and the system is broken. Seems the only thing left is joining a rammel and shouting your ball bag off but it's not the answer. We need some fucking leadership.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 1, 2024 22:50:03 GMT
Didnāt Crouch cherry pick and do the same thing at the start of this thread? If your main gripe is balance, then surely this whole thread flies in the face of that? You must agree that the overwhelming majority of Muslim people arenāt radicals, donāt wish for Sharia law and are/want to be part of British society? Or are you deeply suspicious and feel that the opposite is true? For me, the more threads and thinking of this nature, exist, the further away integration and the social cohesion we all want, will become . From a personal point of view, Iām bored as fuck of this kind of debate. It was the same thing in the 70ās with the Pakistanis and Caribbean migration, the same in the early 2000ās with the Polish, the list goes on. A huge majority of those that come here to live ,are hard working, decent people, and as the generations go by, are finally accepted with not a word being said. Itās the new migrants that always suffer, and we have to waste time on being suspicious, and pointing fingers, thinking we are under threat. To save time, for those who feel this way, go over to these people, talk to them, I guarantee you will be surprised in finding these people are human beings, who love their children just as much as we do. In a recent poll, 46 per cent of UK Muslims support Hamas. You don't say, a Poll conducted by the Henry Jackson Society, I'm sure it was professionally structured The Henry Jackson Society is a British conservative lobbying group sponsored by the financial backers of the US far-right ā including several anti-Muslim hate groups. The same group has also advocated a āMuslim banā on immigration to Europe and worked closely with the anti-black movement in America, along with other hate groups.
According to two of the HJSā founders, Matthew Jamison and Marko Attilo Hoare, it was in 2011 that the organisation turned into a āfar-right, deeply anti-Muslim racist organisationā dominated by āright-wing anti-Muslim and anti-immigration viewsā.
That is no surprise. Before, during and after his HJS tenure, Douglas Murray has spent nearly the past two decades articulating the key ingredients of the white genocide conspiracy theory ā claiming, for instance, that Muslim immigration to Europe is a ādemographic time-bombā, while lamenting how the āstartling rise in Muslim infantsā is abolishing āwhite Britonsā who are being forced to accept āthe loss of their countryā.
In 2015, under his HJS directorship, Murray appeared to endorse anti-Semitic Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbanās implementation of a āMuslim banā, in conversation with notorious Barack Obama Muslim ābirtherā conspiracy theorist and hate-monger Frank Gaffney. Three months later, Gaffney was cited by the Trump campaign when it first announced its plans for a āMuslim banā.
The same year that Murray and Stuart joined the HJS, Murray attended the Restoration Weekend ā an annual alt-right gathering hosted by the David Horowitz Freedom Centre. Murray would attend this annual conference several more times during his tenure at the HJS. In November 2017, he and the HJSā executive director Dr Alan Mendoza spoke alongside an all-star cast of racists, misogynists and anti-Semites.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, David Horowitz is a key far-right hate figure who acts as āa driving force of the anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant and anti-black movementsā. Earlier that year, Mendoza had platformed Horowitz on his YouTube show, where the latter described the American Muslims Students Association as an Islamist terror front-group for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.bylinetimes.com/2021/03/17/the-governments-ties-to-racist-hate-groups-part-one/I think I'll take a pass on the Henry Jackson Society "Poll"
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 22:53:31 GMT
Indeed. I've previously criticised dickheads dressing themselves up (and in some cases their kids up) in Hamas garb. But let's not be in any doubt here, chanting "Who the fuck is Allah?" IS racist but chanting "from the river to the sea" ISN'T. If there were examples on the peace marches of protesters chanting "Who the fuck is Moses" or Abraham, then that would need calling out too but as far as I'm aware this hasn't happened. You'll have to indulge me here, I'm quite dim at the best of times, but asking who the fuck a make believe deity is, is racist, but surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population that actually exists isn't? It's not a legitimate question that you're asking ... Firstly, you and I might believe that it is simply a make believe deity but to many people, God is inherently real and as such, the chant to go fuck himself, is explicitly chanted to be supremely offensive to the people's it's aimed at. It wouldn't have anything like the same effect if they were chanting "who is Mickey Mouse?" Secondly, "from the river to the sea" is NOT surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population, although the likes of Braverman and the right wing press have attempted to convince you otherwise, over the last six months. But rather, it is a chant that has been sung by BOTH Palestinians and Israelis for years, a chant expressing a desire on one hand, to live in a land free from armed oppression and aparthied and on the other hand, from fear of armed resistance and terrorism. Netanyahu himself, amongst other members of the Knesset, regularly use the term.
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Post by foster on Jun 1, 2024 23:00:14 GMT
You'll have to indulge me here, I'm quite dim at the best of times, but asking who the fuck a make believe deity is, is racist, but surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population that actually exists isn't? It's not a legitimate question that you're asking ... Firstly, you and I might believe that it is simply a make believe deity but to many people, God is inherently real and as such, the chant to go fuck himself, is explicitly chanted to be supremely offensive to the people's it's aimed at. It wouldn't have anything like the same effect if they were chanting "who is Mickey Mouse?" Secondly, "from the river to the sea" is NOT surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population, although the likes of Braverman and the right wing press have attempted to convince you otherwise, over the last six months. But rather, it is a chant that has been sung by BOTH Palestinians and Israelis for years, a chant expressing a desire on one hand, to live in a land free from armed oppression and aparthied and on the other hand, from fear of armed resistance and terrorism. Netanyahu himself, amongst other members of the Knesset, regularly use the term. Only Pressers has mentioned 'from the river to the sea' as far as I can tell in this thread. No one else has quoted it or showed a video of it as an example of racism. So not really sure why this comparison has been brought up. It's not relevant.
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