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Post by mrnovember on Jun 1, 2024 17:54:38 GMT
Let's not let one video define the events eh.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2024 17:56:16 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:56:36 GMT
Things you love to see. With a bit of luck, they'll go back to their school playgrounds next week and ecourage all their mates to join in with the new chant that they've been taught over the weekend ... Anything to say on all the other videos or just cherry picked the one you can pick at? Probably be an idea to read the thread mate.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 1, 2024 18:04:03 GMT
Only arrests so far have been counter protestors. Like you say letās hope it passes of peacefully I saw some footage from the march earlier on You Tube and it seemed pretty peaceful bar the odd idiot whoād had a few beers getting shouty. As is often the case it only takes a small number (what ever there view) to attach themselves to a march / protest and to ruin things and give a story to the opposite side that they can feed off. I think if you speak to the vast majority of people in this country most of them just want an easy and safe life and donāt want to get involved in protest or violence or bullying people into having the same thoughts they do. Do you support the ostensible reason for the March? - Protesting Met Police Two Tier Policing
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2024 18:12:28 GMT
You been reading the Mail onlinešLaughable as well you know Real folk from all over the UK that have had enough. Any comment on the turnout?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:15:17 GMT
So why did you attempt draw an equivalence to Muslim children then? Oh and the video is from a right wing website, you happy with them celebrating it then? The video is all over Twitter and has been for a few hours,Iām just surprised it took so long for you and your chronies to post it So are you happy with them celebrating it or not?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2024 18:16:53 GMT
I think one of the biggest problems for those on the left politically is that they think that Tommy Robinson or Laurence Fox represent anyone that doesnāt agree with there views around Islam, Sharia law, imigration or any of the other current hot topic doing the rounds when in all honesty theyāre just charactures of the very worst of right wing politics. They are of course a useful stick to beat anyone with a centre right view with. Iām pissed off with all the division at the moment in the U.K. I donāt remember it being so bad and itās totally fuelled by social media which can give any radical activist from any background a voice (some of them donāt deserve one). In relation to protests Iām sick to death of them as the vast majority never achieve anything. I do think Fosters point is a relevant one in relation to inconsistency in highlighting one side and not the other and some try way to hard to defend the indefensible on both sides just because they think politically and not ethically itās what they should do. This is of course on both sides (sitting on the fence
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2024 18:18:07 GMT
The video is all over Twitter and has been for a few hours,Iām just surprised it took so long for you and your chronies to post it So are you happy with them celebrating it or not? I couldnāt give a flying fuck what 3 random kids on Twitter sing to be honest,Iām more interested in folk standing up and saying enough is enough
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:22:26 GMT
So are you happy with them celebrating it or not? I couldnāt give a flying fuck what 3 random kids on Twitter sing to be honest,Iām more interested in folk standing up and saying enough is enough It's not about the kids per se, it's about their parents teaching them to be racists. You're OK with that?
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Post by felonious on Jun 1, 2024 18:23:59 GMT
I saw some footage from the march earlier on You Tube and it seemed pretty peaceful bar the odd idiot whoād had a few beers getting shouty. As is often the case it only takes a small number (what ever there view) to attach themselves to a march / protest and to ruin things and give a story to the opposite side that they can feed off. I think if you speak to the vast majority of people in this country most of them just want an easy and safe life and donāt want to get involved in protest or violence or bullying people into having the same thoughts they do. Do you support the ostensible reason for the March? - Protesting Met Police Two Tier Policing Apart from a few likes this passed peacefully without comment. What triggered you to reply
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2024 18:24:46 GMT
I couldnāt give a flying fuck what 3 random kids on Twitter sing to be honest,Iām more interested in folk standing up and saying enough is enough It's not about the kids per se, it's about their parents teaching them to be racists. You're OK with that? It would seem so....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2024 18:27:00 GMT
I saw some footage from the march earlier on You Tube and it seemed pretty peaceful bar the odd idiot whoād had a few beers getting shouty. As is often the case it only takes a small number (what ever there view) to attach themselves to a march / protest and to ruin things and give a story to the opposite side that they can feed off. I think if you speak to the vast majority of people in this country most of them just want an easy and safe life and donāt want to get involved in protest or violence or bullying people into having the same thoughts they do. Do you support the ostensible reason for the March? - Protesting Met Police Two Tier PolicingĀ To be honest I donāt know. Im sure the videos are edited by both sides so only those on the ground really know the truth. Itās very easy to make a decision based on you tube videos but I donāt trust them anymore as giving the proper account so Iāll abstain. What I would say is thereās bad on both sides so itās easy to highlight the worst of the protests like someoneās done with the youngsters in the video. By all accounts the day was pretty peaceful so shouldnāt be what the biggest story of the day is though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:30:57 GMT
I do think Fosters point is a relevant one in relation to inconsistency in highlighting one side and not the other This is of course on both sides (sitting on the fence IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown.
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Post by gawa on Jun 1, 2024 18:37:11 GMT
My problem with Tommy is that he's a dosser who gets paid by very wealthy people to stir up trouble and unfortunately most of his passionate supporters don't know that. If he wasn't making bags a month I don't think our Tommy would be on the streets doing these protests.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2024 18:38:53 GMT
I do think Fosters point is a relevant one in relation to inconsistency in highlighting one side and not the other This is of course on both sides (sitting on the fence IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown. I guess it depends on what your definition of āracismā / āprejudiceā is? Iām sure it differs individually. The word āracistā is used way too easily by some and can often shut down discussions before theyāve even started.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:41:37 GMT
Do you support the ostensible reason for the March? - Protesting Met Police Two Tier PolicingĀ Apart from a few likes this passed peacefully without comment. What triggered you to reply Isn't he responding to the overall thrust of Cobs' post, rather than simply the bit that (you have rather oddly) highlighted? I thought the point wannabee was making, is the way that today's march panned out, ultimately proved, that the march, ironically, wasn't actually necessary.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 1, 2024 18:41:42 GMT
Do you support the ostensible reason for the March? - Protesting Met Police Two Tier Policing Apart from a few likes this passed peacefully without comment. What triggered you to reply It was the very part you underlined which provoked, not triggered, my question Ostensible may have given you a clue, the March was characterised as a protest against Met Two Tier Policing which in my view is a charade and evidently quite a few posters on here take a different interpretation of what the March was about. I asked Cobham's view as his views on the Met are well known.
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Post by foster on Jun 1, 2024 18:42:49 GMT
I do think Fosters point is a relevant one in relation to inconsistency in highlighting one side and not the other This is of course on both sides (sitting on the fence IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown. Actually my point was people selectively calling out racism from one side but not the other....unless repeatedly asked to do so. You proved my point. Thanks.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:44:01 GMT
IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown. I guess it depends on what your definition of āracismā / āprejudiceā is? Iām sure it differs individually. The word āracistā is used way too easily by some and can often shut down discussions before theyāve even started. Well to be fair, you yourself Cobs, clearly identified the content of the video witch sparked all this off, as being 'clearly racist'.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2024 18:46:21 GMT
You been reading the Mail onlinešLaughable as well you know Real folk from all over the UK that have had enough. Any comment on the turnout? The only thing I've had enough of is racist dickheads mate. They will never win.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 1, 2024 18:48:22 GMT
Do you support the ostensible reason for the March? - Protesting Met Police Two Tier Policing To be honest I donāt know. Im sure the videos are edited by both sides so only those on the ground really know the truth. Itās very easy to make a decision based on you tube videos but I donāt trust them anymore as giving the proper account so Iāll abstain. What I would say is thereās bad on both sides so itās easy to highlight the worst of the protests like someoneās done with the youngsters in the video. By all accounts the day was pretty peaceful so shouldnāt be what the biggest story of the day is though. Fair answer and I agree about manipulated videos we've seen several on here What I found disturbing about the young boys wasn't they themselves being manipulated but the sharing by Turning Point to normalise and spread the behaviour Let's hope everyone gets home safely no matter what it was they were marching about
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 1, 2024 18:48:48 GMT
My word, you can clearly tell that some people are proper pissed off it didn't kick-off all over the place today, eh?! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2024 18:49:01 GMT
You been reading the Mail onlinešLaughable as well you know Real folk from all over the UK that have had enough. Any comment on the turnout? The only thing I've had enough of is racist dickheads mate. They will never win. So all the thousands of folk on the march today are racist dickheadsš¤·āāļø
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Post by foster on Jun 1, 2024 18:52:05 GMT
IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown. I guess it depends on what your definition of āracismā / āprejudiceā is? Iām sure it differs individually. The word āracistā is used way too easily by some and can often shut down discussions before theyāve even started. Isnt that what's happened? A largely peaceful march of thousands of ordinary peace loving Brits Accompanied by a few largely inconsequential and minor examples of dickheads.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:53:10 GMT
IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown. Actually my point was people selectively calling out racism from one side but not the other....unless repeatedly asked to do so. You proved my point. Thanks. What on earth are you wittering about now? What you did, was because you didn't have any knowledge on my views on Islam, was ignorantly attempt to conflate me calling out racism with apparently being pro Islam. You even used the word 'predictably' and now you're not man enough to hold your hands up and admit that you made a mistake.
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Post by foster on Jun 1, 2024 18:57:19 GMT
Actually my point was people selectively calling out racism from one side but not the other....unless repeatedly asked to do so. You proved my point. Thanks. What on earth are you wittering about now? What you did, was because you didn't have any knowledge on my views on Islam, was ignorantly attempt to conflate me calling out racism with apparently being pro Islam. You even used the word 'predictably' and now you're not man enough to hold your hands up and admit that you made a mistake. You are predicable though Paul...and I'm right. I had to drag it out of you about the preacher. Your view of Islam as a religion is irrelevant. You're missing the point entirely. I couldn't care less if you love it or hate it. The point is that you selectively picked out an example of racism and never commented on the other more extreme one. It's in this thread and clear as day.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 1, 2024 18:58:31 GMT
My word, you can clearly tell that some people are proper pissed off it didn't kick-off all over the place today, eh?! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) They are raging mate š
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:03:41 GMT
What on earth are you wittering about now? What you did, was because you didn't have any knowledge on my views on Islam, was ignorantly attempt to conflate me calling out racism with apparently being pro Islam. You even used the word 'predictably' and now you're not man enough to hold your hands up and admit that you made a mistake. You are predicable though Paul...and I'm right. I had to drag it out of you about the preacher. Your view of Islam as a religion is irrelevant. You're missing the point entirely. I couldn't care less if you love it or hate it. The point is that you selectively picked out an example of racism and never commented on the other more extreme one. It's in this thread and clear as day. I literally said it was disgusting, that was my only comment about it and it was made within minutes of you posting it. Yet for some reason you (amongst others) STILL won't condemn the racism of the original video. You didn't 'drag out' anything, i immediately responded to you about my views on Islam, which should have easily been enough to explain my views on his preachings. And how on earth could I have been 'predictable' if you posted it AFTER my initial post? It's in the thread, it's clear as day.
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Post by foster on Jun 1, 2024 19:06:38 GMT
You are predicable though Paul...and I'm right. I had to drag it out of you about the preacher. Your view of Islam as a religion is irrelevant. You're missing the point entirely. I couldn't care less if you love it or hate it. The point is that you selectively picked out an example of racism and never commented on the other more extreme one. It's in this thread and clear as day. I literally said it was disgusting, that was my only comment about it and it was made within minutes of you posting it. Yet for some reason you (amongst others) STILL won't condemn the racism of the original video. And how on earth could I have been 'predictable' if you posted it AFTER my initial post? It's in the thread, it's clear as day. Stop raging and enjoy the match, Mr Predictable.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 1, 2024 19:09:45 GMT
So are you happy with them celebrating it or not? I couldnāt give a flying fuck what 3 random kids on Twitter sing to be honest,Iām more interested in folk standing up and saying enough is enough Those 3 random kids are part of this country's future. It is deplorable to instill hate into impressionable young people. They could end up stabbing someone innocent in 5 years time.
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