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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 2, 2024 9:08:42 GMT
In general historically and globally. We're hard wired to hate, usually over the most pathetic if things. Look at Huddy & Knype for example, both perfectly reasonable individuals on their own but like Japanese fighting fish on the same thread. They're probably very alike if they sat down in person and had a reasonable conversation. The Guardian do a relatively interesting interview series doing the same thing. Having spent all my adult life taking an anti-racist/fascist/bigot stance, the chances of me sitting down with someone who likes and shares videos from the likes of Tommy Robinson are quite frankly, zero. Sometimes you have to look beyond politics mate. It can destroy good friendships and it’s just not worth it. Life’s too short. Sometime’s you just have to bury politics and agree not to discuss views to keep friendships. I have to say outside here I rarely talk about politics at all. if I did I’m pretty sure I’d end up constantly rowing and getting frustrated and angry. I think to the majority of people even though it can impact on people’s live massively the vast majority aren’t that interested in talking about it or it’s consequences unless it affects them directly like the just stop oil protests on the M25, train strikes, Doctors strikes or ULEZ. Can you end up if all these discussions on here were done in person we’d end up with heated arguments and punch ups every night
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 2, 2024 9:11:15 GMT
Having spent all my adult life taking an anti-racist/fascist/bigot stance, the chances of me sitting down with someone who likes and shares videos from the likes of Tommy Robinson are quite frankly, zero. Sometimes you have to look beyond politics mate. It can destroy good friendships and it’s just not worth it. Life’s too short. Sometime’s you just have to bury politics and agree not to discuss views to keep friendships. I have to say outside here I rarely talk about politics at all. if I did I’m pretty sure I’d end up constantly rowing and getting frustrated and angry. I think to the majority of people even though it can impact on people’s live massively the vast majority aren’t that interested in talking about it or it’s consequences unless it affects them directly like the just stop oil protests on the M25, train strikes, Doctors strikes or ULEZ. Can you end up if all these discussions on here were done in person we’d end up with heated arguments and punch ups every night Wise words cobs 👍
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Post by knype on Jun 2, 2024 9:13:50 GMT
Its not at all,you were dying for trouble today so you could jump all over tonight Couldn't give a flying fuck about your thoughts mate. Woke up all wound up mate because the march was peaceful?
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Post by knype on Jun 2, 2024 9:15:00 GMT
In general historically and globally. We're hard wired to hate, usually over the most pathetic if things. Look at Huddy & Knype for example, both perfectly reasonable individuals on their own but like Japanese fighting fish on the same thread. They're probably very alike if they sat down in person and had a reasonable conversation. The Guardian do a relatively interesting interview series doing the same thing. Having spent all my adult life taking an anti-racist/fascist/bigot stance, the chances of me sitting down with someone who likes and shares videos from the likes of Tommy Robinson are quite frankly, zero. You virtue signalling prat 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 2, 2024 10:13:00 GMT
Is Tommy Robinson a racist? Other than the videos I see posted on here I can’t say as I know much about the bloke. The ones that I’ve seen, show him going on about grooming gangs and islamists… I've only ever heard him state he's against Islam itself and as Islam is a religion not a race he's not a racist. I don't agree with any religion and that doesn't make me a racist but I'm sure there are some on here that would say it does.
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Post by musik on Jun 2, 2024 10:24:37 GMT
Isn't Allah the Arabic word for God, therefore taken literally the abuse is directed at any believer whatever their belief system? The whole thing is Mickey Mouse, killing each other in the name of a make believe entity that they all agree is the same "being", but believe they worship in a better way than the other. And we're supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on the planet, do me a favour. My dog licking his own balls has more fucking sense. This is beyond a certain religion. This is the final test. You passed it. Congrats! 😇
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Post by sticky on Jun 2, 2024 10:32:08 GMT
Is Tommy Robinson a racist? Other than the videos I see posted on here I can’t say as I know much about the bloke. The ones that I’ve seen, show him going on about grooming gangs and islamists… I've only ever heard him state he's against Islam itself and as Islam is a religion not a race he's not a racist. I don't agree with any religion and that doesn't make me a racist but I'm sure there are some on here that would say it does. Seems pretty reasonable that, I think the way he goes about things might rub people up the wrong way but the word “racist” seems to pop up a lot on these threads nowadays without any real discussion about it.
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Jun 2, 2024 10:36:49 GMT
I’m not a racist, but my dog is. He has always hated black dogs, for some reason 🙂
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Post by musik on Jun 2, 2024 10:50:27 GMT
I’m not a racist, but my dog is. He has always hated black dogs, for some reason 🙂 Another race perhaps. Which leads to some questions: Do different races exist among us humans? What is a racist anyway? Is it if you simply say "yes" to that question? In Sweden it is considered enough. Or does it require you start ranking them? 🤔
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Post by gawa on Jun 2, 2024 10:51:19 GMT
Having spent all my adult life taking an anti-racist/fascist/bigot stance, the chances of me sitting down with someone who likes and shares videos from the likes of Tommy Robinson are quite frankly, zero. Sometimes you have to look beyond politics mate. It can destroy good friendships and it’s just not worth it. Life’s too short. Sometime’s you just have to bury politics and agree not to discuss views to keep friendships. I have to say outside here I rarely talk about politics at all. if I did I’m pretty sure I’d end up constantly rowing and getting frustrated and angry. I think to the majority of people even though it can impact on people’s live massively the vast majority aren’t that interested in talking about it or it’s consequences unless it affects them directly like the just stop oil protests on the M25, train strikes, Doctors strikes or ULEZ. Can you end up if all these discussions on here were done in person we’d end up with heated arguments and punch ups every night Huddy is fibbing anyway. As I have posted about a Tommy robinson interview with Jonny Adair which I enjoyed and he'd defo sit down with me 😉.
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Post by gawa on Jun 2, 2024 10:58:54 GMT
Is Tommy Robinson a racist? Other than the videos I see posted on here I can’t say as I know much about the bloke. The ones that I’ve seen, show him going on about grooming gangs and islamists… Deep down who knows. I think he probably puts on a bit of a front on camera and sort of adopts an alter ego when he's doing his videos and what not. The people who fund him to push division similarly are they racist or are they just super wealthy and want to keep the working class divided so no eyes are on them? Who knows. What even is a racist? What's the threshold between being racist and not racist. I don't think it's as black and white as made out. Children aren't racist. Maybe putting such an emphasis on racism nearly helps it manifest as people are always looking for it. Left, right, white, brown, black, Christian, jew, muslim. It's in everyone's best interests to unite rather than divide. While we fight over manufactured divisions, inequality just keeps growing. And that's the common enemy of all of us (in my opinion).
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 2, 2024 10:58:58 GMT
I've only ever heard him state he's against Islam itself and as Islam is a religion not a race he's not a racist. I don't agree with any religion and that doesn't make me a racist but I'm sure there are some on here that would say it does. Seems pretty reasonable that, I think the way he goes about things might rub people up the wrong way but the word “racist” seems to pop up a lot on these threads nowadays without any real discussion about it. It's the easy thing to throw at people isn't it to try and shut them down. The Daily Mail yesterday ran with 'Tommy Robinson leads football hooligans through London' or words to that effect. There may well have been football lads there but in the videos I saw there were many elderly people, families and people of different backgrounds and ethnicities. I guess that doesn't suit the mainstream media's narrative though does it.
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Post by foster on Jun 2, 2024 11:01:57 GMT
Is Tommy Robinson a racist? Other than the videos I see posted on here I can’t say as I know much about the bloke. The ones that I’ve seen, show him going on about grooming gangs and islamists… Deep down who knows. I think he probably puts on a bit of a front on camera and sort of adopts an alter ego when he's doing his videos and what not. The people who fund him to push division similarly are they racist or are they just super wealthy and want to keep the working class divided so no eyes are on them? Who knows. What even is a racist? What's the threshold between being racist and not racist. I don't think it's as black and white as made out. Children aren't racist. Maybe putting such an emphasis on racism nearly helps it manifest as people are always looking for it. Left, right, white, brown, black, Christian, jew, muslim. It's in everyone's best interests to unite rather than divide. While we fight over manufactured divisions, inequality just keeps growing. And that's the common enemy of all of us (in my opinion). Nicely put, Cobs 2.0
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 2, 2024 11:02:58 GMT
Seems pretty reasonable that, I think the way he goes about things might rub people up the wrong way but the word “racist” seems to pop up a lot on these threads nowadays without any real discussion about it. It's the easy thing to throw at people isn't it to try and shut them down. The Daily Mail yesterday ran with 'Tommy Robinson leads football hooligans through London' or words to that effect. There may well have been football lads there but in the videos I saw there were many elderly people, families and people of different backgrounds and ethnicities. I guess that doesn't suit the mainstream media's narrative though does it. Sky did exactly the same mate,absolutely scandalous
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Post by lordb on Jun 2, 2024 11:04:06 GMT
Seems pretty reasonable that, I think the way he goes about things might rub people up the wrong way but the word “racist” seems to pop up a lot on these threads nowadays without any real discussion about it. It's the easy thing to throw at people isn't it to try and shut them down. The Daily Mail yesterday ran with 'Tommy Robinson leads football hooligans through London' or words to that effect. There may well have been football lads there but in the videos I saw there were many elderly people, families and people of different backgrounds and ethnicities. I guess that doesn't suit the mainstream media's narrative though does it. 'football lads'
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 2, 2024 11:06:35 GMT
It's the easy thing to throw at people isn't it to try and shut them down. The Daily Mail yesterday ran with 'Tommy Robinson leads football hooligans through London' or words to that effect. There may well have been football lads there but in the videos I saw there were many elderly people, families and people of different backgrounds and ethnicities. I guess that doesn't suit the mainstream media's narrative though does it. 'football lads' Yes mate.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 2, 2024 11:08:11 GMT
It's the easy thing to throw at people isn't it to try and shut them down. The Daily Mail yesterday ran with 'Tommy Robinson leads football hooligans through London' or words to that effect. There may well have been football lads there but in the videos I saw there were many elderly people, families and people of different backgrounds and ethnicities. I guess that doesn't suit the mainstream media's narrative though does it. Sky did exactly the same mate,absolutely scandalous The thing is mate the public don't trust the mainstream anymore and are sick to death of being peddled the shit they put out and it's about time.
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Post by sticky on Jun 2, 2024 11:08:18 GMT
I’ve heard your racist if… You don’t agree with BLM You critics Islam You call someone a gammon You refer to someone as “the chinese fella” etc And loads more I can’t think of on the top of my head. All complete bollocks imo. Watched Mississippi Burning a few weeks back with the kids. Incredibly moving film and opened their eyes to what I’d perceive as vile racism, not half of this shit stirring crap we get nowadays, that’s rammed down the throats of kids (on top of all the other stuff)
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 2, 2024 11:14:22 GMT
I’m not a racist, but my dog is. He has always hated black dogs, for some reason 🙂 That's exactly the same as ours, black, brown and huskies. Daft thing is he's black as night.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 2, 2024 11:15:47 GMT
Deep down who knows. I think he probably puts on a bit of a front on camera and sort of adopts an alter ego when he's doing his videos and what not. The people who fund him to push division similarly are they racist or are they just super wealthy and want to keep the working class divided so no eyes are on them? Who knows. What even is a racist? What's the threshold between being racist and not racist. I don't think it's as black and white as made out. Children aren't racist. Maybe putting such an emphasis on racism nearly helps it manifest as people are always looking for it. Left, right, white, brown, black, Christian, jew, muslim. It's in everyone's best interests to unite rather than divide. While we fight over manufactured divisions, inequality just keeps growing. And that's the common enemy of all of us (in my opinion). Nicely put, Cobs 2.0 Junior Cobs.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 2, 2024 11:22:36 GMT
Is Tommy Robinson a racist? Other than the videos I see posted on here I can’t say as I know much about the bloke. The ones that I’ve seen, show him going on about grooming gangs and islamists… I've only ever heard him state he's against Islam itself and as Islam is a religion not a race he's not a racist. I don't agree with any religion and that doesn't make me a racist but I'm sure there are some on here that would say it does. Strictly speaking being against Islam for its own sake is Islamaphobia which strictly speaking is not racism as originally defined. However there are parallels in terms of attitudes and behaviours and in 2018 an All Party Group in Parliament defined Islamaphobia as: "Islamaphobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that target Muslimness or perceived Muslimness." So in terms of the definition defined by Parliament, which in turn determines the effectivem legal definition, Robinson is a racist as a result of his Islamaphobic views.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 2, 2024 11:27:34 GMT
The funny thing about racism is that we all know it exists and yet noone ever admits to being a racist themselves.
So people are either too scared to admit they are one or too thick to realise what one is in the first place.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 2, 2024 11:30:53 GMT
The funny thing about racism is that we all know it exists and yet noone ever admits to being a racist themselves. So people are either too scared to admit they are one or too thick to realise what one is in the first place. So I’ll ask you the same question Huddy failed to answer,do you believe that all those thousands of folk on that march yesterday are racists then?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 2, 2024 11:35:35 GMT
In general historically and globally. We're hard wired to hate, usually over the most pathetic if things. Look at Huddy & Knype for example, both perfectly reasonable individuals on their own but like Japanese fighting fish on the same thread. They're probably very alike if they sat down in person and had a reasonable conversation. The Guardian do a relatively interesting interview series doing the same thing. Having spent all my adult life taking an anti-racist/fascist/bigot stance, the chances of me sitting down with someone who likes and shares videos from the likes of Tommy Robinson are quite frankly, zero. That's a shame, communication, understanding and mutual respect underpin the ability to end any conflict.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 2, 2024 11:40:26 GMT
The funny thing about racism is that we all know it exists and yet noone ever admits to being a racist themselves. So people are either too scared to admit they are one or too thick to realise what one is in the first place. Who is allowed to define it?
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 2, 2024 11:44:26 GMT
The funny thing about racism is that we all know it exists and yet noone ever admits to being a racist themselves. So people are either too scared to admit they are one or too thick to realise what one is in the first place. So I’ll ask you the same question Huddy failed to answer,do you believe that all those thousands of folk on that march yesterday are racists then? Having met precisely none of them I can't say. I don't know what motivated them to attend the march. Based on what I've seen of Tommy Robinson over the years, particularly his obsession with sexual abuse only when it's perpetrated by non white people, then I'd conclude that he probably is a racist. Also, I'd say that chanting "Allah, Allah, who the fuck is Allah" is designed to inflame tensions and is clearly aimed at one particular group of people, who predominantly happen to be non white and is also racist. If Tommy and his ilk were equally as angry at the Catholic church and The Pope then I'd perhaps think differently. I equally felt that parts of the BLM movement took on a racist narrative. However, I couldn't say that everyone who attended a BLM march was racist though.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 2, 2024 11:48:28 GMT
The funny thing about racism is that we all know it exists and yet noone ever admits to being a racist themselves. So people are either too scared to admit they are one or too thick to realise what one is in the first place. Yes you are right. I've had loads of arguments on here pointing out that what someone has said is racist that have turned into increasingly bizarre attempts to deny they weren't. For some reason people want to hold racist views without being honest about it. The odd thing is that people have the right to hold racist views and being racist in itself is not illegal. If someone comes out with a racist opinion on here I might well point it out but push comes to shove they have the right to hold that opinion. It only becomes a problem if they keep using this forum to deliberately incite racial hatred.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 2, 2024 11:51:09 GMT
The funny thing about racism is that we all know it exists and yet noone ever admits to being a racist themselves. So people are either too scared to admit they are one or too thick to realise what one is in the first place. Who is allowed to define it? Law makers? In my view if you look at someone who is one race and you have no ill feeling towards them, but you look at someone of another race and you do have ill feeling, then that's racism. If the only reason you think ill of them is because they look different to you, then that's racist. For example: If you think it's normal to hate people with a particular colour of skin because they anger you, scare you, you don't like seeing them with people of your race, you don't like seeing them be successful or any other reason then I guess you won't believe you're a racist, because you just think it's normal to dislike someone because of the levels of melanin in their skin.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 2, 2024 11:52:36 GMT
1. Yes it is but the chant today wasn't meant to be taken 'literally' (I bet the vast majority of them didn't even realise) it was meant to be extremely offensive. 2. I quite agree but to be fair, that's a different conversation. Take religion or race out of the equation and these dickheads would still find a reason to hate. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction - Newtons Third Law It's easy to be critical of Tommy Robinson but that overlooks the circumstances that spawned the EDL. It was a Muslim Splinter Group from the proscribed al-Muhajiroun, Ahle Sunnah al Jamah which were demonstrating in Luton and abusing British Soldiers returning from Afghanistan This printed Robinson to form EDL and organise counter, often violent, demonstrations. EDL quickly formed an association with Casuals United another Far Right Group which attracts, which many genuine supporters don't like to hear, Football Hooligan's. Tommy soon learned he could make a crust from his passion and has gone on to refine his methods to do so. One can only wonder if more stringent action were taken against the Muslim Radicals in Luton if EDL would have gained traction. But at the end of the day your right these Dickheads on both sides would probably find a reason to have a ruck irrespective
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 2, 2024 11:56:13 GMT
Who is allowed to define it? Law makers? In my view if you look at someone who is one race and you have no ill feeling towards them, but you look at someone of another race and you do have ill feeling, then that's racism. If the only reason you think ill of them is because they look different to you, then that's racist. If you think it's normal to hate people with brown skin because they anger you, scare you, you don't like seeing them with people of your race, you don't like seeing them be successful or any other reason then I guess you won't believe you're a racist, because you just think it's normal to dislike someone because of the levels of melanin in their skin. That makes sense if you take the word brown out of the last paragraph then it's more than reasonable.
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