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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 1, 2024 23:04:46 GMT
Seems all went off without incident
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Post by wannabee on Jun 1, 2024 23:05:15 GMT
Indeed. I've previously criticised dickheads dressing themselves up (and in some cases their kids up) in Hamas garb. But let's not be in any doubt here, chanting "Who the fuck is Allah?" IS racist but chanting "from the river to the sea" ISN'T. If there were examples on the peace marches of protesters chanting "Who the fuck is Moses" or Abraham, then that would need calling out too but as far as I'm aware this hasn't happened. You'll have to indulge me here, I'm quite dim at the best of times, but asking who the fuck a make believe deity is, is racist, but surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population that actually exists isn't? It's two sets of useful idiots being antagonised by self serving deviants who are manipulating national and international fuck ups to justify their own shithouse positions. The Met have made their bed and are having to lie in it, which is why these ridiculous events seem to be allowed to occur on a never ending basis, feeding the furore that is constantly stoked thanks to shite on social media.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 23:06:24 GMT
It's not a legitimate question that you're asking ... Firstly, you and I might believe that it is simply a make believe deity but to many people, God is inherently real and as such, the chant to go fuck himself, is explicitly chanted to be supremely offensive to the people's it's aimed at. It wouldn't have anything like the same effect if they were chanting "who is Mickey Mouse?" Secondly, "from the river to the sea" is NOT surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population, although the likes of Braverman and the right wing press have attempted to convince you otherwise, over the last six months. But rather, it is a chant that has been sung by BOTH Palestinians and Israelis for years, a chant expressing a desire on one hand, to live in a land free from armed oppression and aparthied and on the other hand, from fear of armed resistance and terrorism. Netanyahu himself, amongst other members of the Knesset, regularly use the term. Only Pressers has mentioned 'from the river to the sea' as far as I can tell in this thread. No one else has quoted it or showed a video of it as an example of racism. So not really sure why this comparison has been brought up. It's not relevant. Why does anybody NEED to show a video of it (I'll go and find one if you want)? Prestwich was demonstrating how different people on different marches perceive things differently. It seems a perfectly legitimate observation to make in the context of the thread.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 1, 2024 23:08:26 GMT
You'll have to indulge me here, I'm quite dim at the best of times, but asking who the fuck a make believe deity is, is racist, but surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population that actually exists isn't? It's not a legitimate question that you're asking ... Firstly, you and I might believe that it is simply a make believe deity but to many people, God is inherently real and as such, the chant to go fuck himself, is explicitly chanted to be supremely offensive to the people's it's aimed at. It wouldn't have anything like the same effect if they were chanting "who is Mickey Mouse?" Secondly, "from the river to the sea" is NOT surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population, although the likes of Braverman and the right wing press have attempted to convince you otherwise, over the last six months. But rather, it is a chant that has been sung by BOTH Palestinians and Israelis for years, a chant expressing a desire on one hand, to live in a land free from armed oppression and aparthied and on the other hand, from fear of armed resistance and terrorism. Netanyahu himself, amongst other members of the Knesset, regularly use the term. Isn't Allah the Arabic word for God, therefore taken literally the abuse is directed at any believer whatever their belief system? The whole thing is Mickey Mouse, killing each other in the name of a make believe entity that they all agree is the same "being", but believe they worship in a better way than the other. And we're supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on the planet, do me a favour. My dog licking his own balls has more fucking sense.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 23:15:02 GMT
It's not a legitimate question that you're asking ... Firstly, you and I might believe that it is simply a make believe deity but to many people, God is inherently real and as such, the chant to go fuck himself, is explicitly chanted to be supremely offensive to the people's it's aimed at. It wouldn't have anything like the same effect if they were chanting "who is Mickey Mouse?" Secondly, "from the river to the sea" is NOT surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population, although the likes of Braverman and the right wing press have attempted to convince you otherwise, over the last six months. But rather, it is a chant that has been sung by BOTH Palestinians and Israelis for years, a chant expressing a desire on one hand, to live in a land free from armed oppression and aparthied and on the other hand, from fear of armed resistance and terrorism. Netanyahu himself, amongst other members of the Knesset, regularly use the term. Isn't Allah the Arabic word for God, therefore taken literally the abuse is directed at any believer whatever their belief system? The whole thing is Mickey Mouse, killing each other in the name of a make believe entity that they all agree is the same "being", but believe they worship in a better way than the other. And we're supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on the planet, do me a favour. My dog licking his own balls has more fucking sense. 1. Yes it is but the chant today wasn't meant to be taken 'literally' (I bet the vast majority of them didn't even realise) it was meant to be extremely offensive. 2. I quite agree but to be fair, that's a different conversation.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 1, 2024 23:25:17 GMT
Isn't Allah the Arabic word for God, therefore taken literally the abuse is directed at any believer whatever their belief system? The whole thing is Mickey Mouse, killing each other in the name of a make believe entity that they all agree is the same "being", but believe they worship in a better way than the other. And we're supposed to be the most intelligent creatures on the planet, do me a favour. My dog licking his own balls has more fucking sense. 1. Yes it is but the chant today wasn't meant to be taken 'literally' (I bet the vast majority of them didn't even realise) it was meant to be extremely offensive. 2. I quite agree but to be fair, that's a different conversation. Take religion or race out of the equation and these dickheads would still find a reason to hate.
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Post by foster on Jun 1, 2024 23:26:16 GMT
Only Pressers has mentioned 'from the river to the sea' as far as I can tell in this thread. No one else has quoted it or showed a video of it as an example of racism. So not really sure why this comparison has been brought up. It's not relevant. Why does anybody NEED to show a video of it (I'll go and find one if you want)? Prestwich was demonstrating how different people on different marches perceive things differently. It seems a perfectly legitimate observation to make in the context of the thread. Not really. Hence why only you and Wanabbe seem to be using it to try and win some kind of imaginary debate that's never happened. You need to cut out your obsession with point scoring as this isn't a thread to discuss one protest vs another, or which examples of racism are worse than others. All cases are bad, so perhaps focus on all cases.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 23:30:21 GMT
Why does anybody NEED to show a video of it (I'll go and find one if you want)? Prestwich was demonstrating how different people on different marches perceive things differently. It seems a perfectly legitimate observation to make in the context of the thread. Not really. Hence why only you and Wanabbe seem to be using it to try and win some kind of imaginary debate that's never happened. You need to cut out your obsession with point scoring as this isn't a thread to discuss one protest vs another, or which examples of racism are worse than others. All cases are bad, so perhaps focus on all cases. Do you know what Fozzy, I don't even know where to begin with this drivel, so I'm not going to even try.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 23:35:22 GMT
1. Yes it is but the chant today wasn't meant to be taken 'literally' (I bet the vast majority of them didn't even realise) it was meant to be extremely offensive. 2. I quite agree but to be fair, that's a different conversation. Take religion or race out of the equation and these dickheads would still find a reason to hate. Are we talking about the Middle East specifically or across the world in general? I guess it's inherently in the DNA of primates to join gangs and then fight with other gangs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2024 23:37:52 GMT
Seems all went off without incident You mean to say that there was no two-tier policing at the two-tier policing rally? What a rousing success!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 23:50:36 GMT
I hope the driver wasn't as smashed as Lozzer sounds, oh and he's driving a car without an MOT. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
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Post by wannabee on Jun 1, 2024 23:52:10 GMT
Why does anybody NEED to show a video of it (I'll go and find one if you want)? Prestwich was demonstrating how different people on different marches perceive things differently. It seems a perfectly legitimate observation to make in the context of the thread. Not really. Hence why only you and Wanabbe seem to be using it to try and win some kind of imaginary debate that's never happened. You need to cut out your obsession with point scoring as this isn't a thread to discuss one protest vs another, or which examples of racism are worse than others. All cases are bad, so perhaps focus on all cases. For what it's worth I hadn't seen Paul's reply when I posted in reply to Ian I felt it was relevant to counter Ian's point that "but surreptitiously implying the destruction of a country and it's population that actually exists isn't?" (Racist) With the PM of Israel saying exactly the same thing, the difference being he is actually engaged in the destruction of a country and its population which now barely exists. Quite a difference to a few hotheads mouthing off.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 2, 2024 0:20:54 GMT
I hope the driver wasn't as smashed as Lozzer sounds, oh and he's driving a car without an MOT. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ His life has become a Metaphor for a Car Crash only this time he's also thrown himself under a bus. He may need to get used to them cycle lanes he seems so fond of.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 2, 2024 0:22:45 GMT
I hope the driver wasn't as smashed as Lozzer sounds, oh and he's driving a car without an MOT. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ His life has become a Metaphor for a Car Crash only this time he's also thrown himself under a bus. He may need to get used to them cycle lanes he seems so fond of. There's a great newspaper headline in there somewhere! ๐
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Post by musik on Jun 2, 2024 0:25:10 GMT
Good Night! ๐ด
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 2, 2024 5:54:04 GMT
Take religion or race out of the equation and these dickheads would still find a reason to hate. Are we talking about the Middle East specifically or across the world in general? I guess it's inherently in the DNA of primates to join gangs and then fight with other gangs. In general historically and globally. We're hard wired to hate, usually over the most pathetic if things. Look at Huddy & Knype for example, both perfectly reasonable individuals on their own but like Japanese fighting fish on the same thread. They're probably very alike if they sat down in person and had a reasonable conversation. The Guardian do a relatively interesting interview series doing the same thing.
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Post by knype on Jun 2, 2024 6:38:04 GMT
Its been a bad day for you Huddy hasnโt it๐ Every day is for him
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2024 8:15:28 GMT
Not really mate....in fact not at all. Odd statement from you there. Its not at all,you were dying for trouble today so you could jump all over tonight Couldn't give a flying fuck about your thoughts mate.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 2, 2024 8:41:14 GMT
Its not at all,you were dying for trouble today so you could jump all over tonight Couldn't give a flying fuck about your thoughts mate. The feeling is mutual
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2024 8:42:39 GMT
Are we talking about the Middle East specifically or across the world in general? I guess it's inherently in the DNA of primates to join gangs and then fight with other gangs. In general historically and globally. We're hard wired to hate, usually over the most pathetic if things. Look at Huddy & Knype for example, both perfectly reasonable individuals on their own but like Japanese fighting fish on the same thread. They're probably very alike if they sat down in person and had a reasonable conversation. The Guardian do a relatively interesting interview series doing the same thing. Having spent all my adult life taking an anti-racist/fascist/bigot stance, the chances of me sitting down with someone who likes and shares videos from the likes of Tommy Robinson are quite frankly, zero.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 2, 2024 8:43:08 GMT
Seems all went off without incident You mean to say that there was no two-tier policing at the two-tier policing rally? What a rousing success! [br Yes makes a pleasant change. Just goes to show what a bit of planning can do
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2024 8:43:52 GMT
Couldn't give a flying fuck about your thoughts mate. The feeling is mutual Odd because you're clearly trying very hard mate.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 2, 2024 8:57:02 GMT
Odd because you're clearly trying very hard mate. Nothing odd at all,I just think it would be remiss of me not to challenge your myopic views now and again
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 2, 2024 9:00:01 GMT
Odd because you're clearly trying very hard mate. I think both your girlfriends need to take your phones off you for a while so you can time out and consider your behaviour ๐ Then you can shake hands and play nicely ๐
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2024 9:00:29 GMT
Odd because you're clearly trying very hard mate. Nothing odd at all,I just think it would be remiss of me not to challenge your myopic views now and again Anti-racist/fascist/bigot? Those myopic views? Give your head a wobble mate.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 2, 2024 9:00:56 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2024 9:01:41 GMT
Odd because you're clearly trying very hard mate. I think both your girlfriends need to take your phones off you for a while so you can time out and consider your behaviour ๐ Then you can shake hands and play nicely ๐ Apologies for you finding calling out a racist amusing.
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Post by sticky on Jun 2, 2024 9:04:18 GMT
Is Tommy Robinson a racist? Other than the videos I see posted on here I canโt say as I know much about the bloke. The ones that Iโve seen, show him going on about grooming gangs and islamistsโฆ
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 2, 2024 9:05:24 GMT
Nothing odd at all,I just think it would be remiss of me not to challenge your myopic views now and again Anti-racist/fascist/bigot? Those myopic views? Give your head a wobble mate. Give my head a wobble๐คฃGo and crack one off to Jezza and Diane
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 2, 2024 9:05:48 GMT
I think both your girlfriends need to take your phones off you for a while so you can time out and consider your behaviour ๐ Then you can shake hands and play nicely ๐ Apologies for you finding calling out a racist amusing. Touchy this morning. No Observer in the corner shop today ๐
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