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Post by hcstokie on May 11, 2024 7:52:38 GMT
As much as I loved Fuller, Arnie was a totally different level mate. His first touch was top drawer. Sorry mate can’t agree Fuller is immortalised as one of Stoke City greats alongside Hudson Greenhoff etc etc ….i would even put Shawcross in there Arnoutovic as good as he was is just another decent Stoke City player whose worn the shirt and not in the same breath as those others That’s not the point though is it, we’re talking about who was the better player. Arnie has played for some top teams on top divisions across Europe. Fuller never played at that level, despite how good he was for us. Also, arguably his best times with us were in the championship too.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 11, 2024 7:57:11 GMT
Best forward we've had in decades. Would be an insane signing but can't see it. Better than Fuller?…..like fuck he was, he was good but fuck me cmon mate Anyway was is it with Stoke fans always looking back thinking these players are still 28 You serious? Completely different level to Fuller. Hence he's been a top flight footballer all his career.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 11, 2024 8:10:59 GMT
Sorry mate, fuller was good. Arnie was better. << shakes head in dismay >> 😊 Arnie did it in the Prem and at a higher level for longer. I love Ric, but Arnie was a better footballer. Each to their own though.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 11, 2024 8:16:53 GMT
I can't separate Fuller and Arnie. As I said elsewhere, Fuller, Annie, N'Zonzi and Bojan are the four players that were a privilege to watch play for us, and had no business being at Stoke.
The only thing that prevented Fuller playing at Arnie's level was a knee injury at Hearts when Liverpool were looking to sign him. He was way too good for us, even in the top division.
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Post by senojbor on May 11, 2024 9:55:09 GMT
The facts show that Ric scored 50 in 137 starts. Arnie 26 in 129
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2024 10:00:12 GMT
The facts show that Ric scored 50 in 137 starts. Arnie 26 in 129 Obviously Ric played two seasons in the Championship and up front whilst Arnie played PL only (in a better side mind) and played wide I do think Arnie erratic finishing let him down which is why I don't rate him quite as highly as many Stoke fans do but absolutely no doubt he's one of our best ever players If you did a top 100* they both would be in there *harder than you'd think once you factor in the stars we had in the 30's and 40's and one or two before then like Dickie Roose
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Post by Scrotnig on May 11, 2024 10:06:42 GMT
Not happening. Wouldn’t work if it did.
Onwards, not backwards.
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2024 10:08:02 GMT
Not happening. Wouldn’t work if it did. Onwards, not backwards. Almost certainly not happening I think it could work brilliantly
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Post by werrington on May 11, 2024 10:09:14 GMT
Not happening. Wouldn’t work if it did. Onwards, not backwards. Almost certainly not happening I think it could work brilliantly Until Coventry offer him a few quid more The blokes a mercenary
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Post by Scrotnig on May 11, 2024 10:09:24 GMT
Not happening. Wouldn’t work if it did. Onwards, not backwards. Almost certainly not happening I think it could work brilliantly Trying to recreate past glories rarely works. I’d rather we create new ones.
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Post by Rick Grimes on May 11, 2024 10:12:19 GMT
I’d love to have him back but there’s no chance we’re spending 5m euros on a 35 year old.
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Post by yellowsnowman on May 11, 2024 10:13:42 GMT
Almost certainly not happening I think it could work brilliantly Trying to recreate past glories rarely works. I’d rather we create new ones. Dont think there trying to recreate that tbf.
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2024 10:18:23 GMT
Almost certainly not happening I think it could work brilliantly Trying to recreate past glories rarely works. I’d rather we create new ones. Rarely isn't never though and this club has had returning players and managers before with great success I think the side could do with a physical presence, a senior pro with nous and quality would need a young striker to rotate with Plus he would put bums on seats, crowd would be excited If he had not been here before I'd think it would be a smart signing, not a nostalgic angle for ne Jay Rodriguez link, similar type (ish) Anyway we'll probably never know
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2024 10:20:12 GMT
The facts show that Ric scored 50 in 137 starts. Arnie 26 in 129 Obviously Ric played two seasons in the Championship and up front whilst Arnie played PL only (in a better side mind) and played wide I do think Arnie erratic finishing let him down which is why I don't rate him quite as highly as many Stoke fans do but absolutely no doubt he's one of our best ever players If you did a top 100* they both would be in there *harder than you'd think once you factor in the stars we had in the 30's and 40's and one or two before then like Dickie Roose I don’t think either Ric or Arnie are particularly good finishers. Ric is definitely more of a legend and his moments almost defined an era. Arnie is clearly the better player though. Two outstanding mavericks.
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2024 10:22:43 GMT
Obviously Ric played two seasons in the Championship and up front whilst Arnie played PL only (in a better side mind) and played wide I do think Arnie erratic finishing let him down which is why I don't rate him quite as highly as many Stoke fans do but absolutely no doubt he's one of our best ever players If you did a top 100* they both would be in there *harder than you'd think once you factor in the stars we had in the 30's and 40's and one or two before then like Dickie Roose I don’t think either Ric or Arnie are particularly good finishers. Ric is definitely more of a legend and his moments almost defined an era. Arnie is clearly the better player though. Two outstanding mavericks. Both of them produced some of the best finishers by Stoke players ever but I understand what you mean I think Ric was a more reliable finisher of the two
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Post by Scrotnig on May 11, 2024 10:30:33 GMT
Agree on that. Both were truly great players for us, no arguments there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2024 10:36:05 GMT
I don’t think either Ric or Arnie are particularly good finishers. Ric is definitely more of a legend and his moments almost defined an era. Arnie is clearly the better player though. Two outstanding mavericks. Both of them produced some of the best finishers by Stoke players ever but I understand what you mean I think Ric was a more reliable finisher of the two They did but I think with both they’d also need 3/4 chances generally. Since Ric signed I’d say we’ve had two good finisher. Beattie and Odemwingie.
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Post by metalhead on May 11, 2024 10:39:56 GMT
I would jizz in my pants if he came home.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on May 11, 2024 10:41:10 GMT
Both of them produced some of the best finishers by Stoke players ever but I understand what you mean I think Ric was a more reliable finisher of the two They did but I think with both they’d also need 3/4 chances generally. Since Ric signed I’d say we’ve had two good finisher. Beattie and Odemwingie. Arnie magically got better at finishing after leaving didn't he? I think you should add Bojan to the list, possibly better than all the others mentioned at finishing
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2024 10:45:57 GMT
They did but I think with both they’d also need 3/4 chances generally. Since Ric signed I’d say we’ve had two good finisher. Beattie and Odemwingie. Arnie magically got better at finishing after leaving didn't he? I think you should add Bojan to the list, possibly better than all the others mentioned at finishing Yeah Bojan is a good shout. And he did yeah. He was so erratic with us though. Proper slices.
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Post by fca47 on May 11, 2024 10:47:41 GMT
One was a decent bloke but erratic , the other was a moody twat
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Post by hcstokie on May 11, 2024 10:52:41 GMT
The facts show that Ric scored 50 in 137 starts. Arnie 26 in 129 Correct. They’d also show Fuller always played as a striker and Arnie was out on the left wing.
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Post by mrcoke on May 11, 2024 10:58:34 GMT
Arnie was great for us and Stoke was great for Arnie.
Hughes rescued his career, turned him into a goal scorer, and with 125 appearances, Stoke City is the "meat" in his footballing life.
But let's leave at that.
He tried to get more money with Everton, who were not having it, signed an improved contract with Stoke and then wanted out again less than 12 months later. He doesn't know the meanings of loyalty or gratitude and a product of the modern "selfie" age.
Taking him back would be a huge risk as he is a very divisive character and if we seriously want promotion, it's not just footballing talent needed, but also hard work, unity, and teamwork that will bring it. Arnie offers none of that.
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Post by i1da on May 11, 2024 11:08:14 GMT
Number 36 is a peach, but for me, nothing beats the sheer joy of number 28! Can't understand why that West Ham Goal isn't in there!
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Post by theonlooker on May 11, 2024 11:10:25 GMT
Arnie was great for us and Stoke was great for Arnie. Hughes rescued his career, turned him into a goal scorer, and with 125 appearances, Stoke City is the "meat" in his footballing life. But let's leave at that. He tried to get more money with Everton, who were not having it, signed an improved contract with Stoke and then wanted out again less than 12 months later. He doesn't know the meanings of loyalty or gratitude and a product of the modern "selfie" age. Taking him back would be a huge risk as he is a very divisive character and if we seriously want promotion, it's not just footballing talent needed, but also hard work, unity, and teamwork that will bring it. Arnie offers none of that. He doesn't offer hard work? Wasn't it proven with stats as per recovery sprints et al that he was a harder worker than Walters during his time here?
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Post by i1da on May 11, 2024 11:10:46 GMT
This one!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 11, 2024 11:15:33 GMT
I always say that had Messi etc had scored that goal then it would be forever shown. Probably one of the best goals technically I've seen. Everything about it was sheer perfection.
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Post by i1da on May 11, 2024 11:16:56 GMT
And just to be fair ..... It seems to me that a lot of Arnie's goals were laid on for him, while Riccy created many of his goals on his own.
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Post by mrcoke on May 11, 2024 11:32:00 GMT
Arnie was great for us and Stoke was great for Arnie. Hughes rescued his career, turned him into a goal scorer, and with 125 appearances, Stoke City is the "meat" in his footballing life. But let's leave at that. He tried to get more money with Everton, who were not having it, signed an improved contract with Stoke and then wanted out again less than 12 months later. He doesn't know the meanings of loyalty or gratitude and a product of the modern "selfie" age. Taking him back would be a huge risk as he is a very divisive character and if we seriously want promotion, it's not just footballing talent needed, but also hard work, unity, and teamwork that will bring it. Arnie offers none of that. He doesn't offer hard work? Wasn't it proven with stats as per recovery sprints et al that he was a harder worker than Walters during his time here? At 35 I doubt he could put in 60 minutes at Championship intensity, let alone recovery sprints.
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Post by desman2 on May 11, 2024 11:37:55 GMT
Now Powell and Campbell have gone maybe he'd be a great candidate for the player who sits on the floor on 68 minutes role.
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