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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2024 17:37:26 GMT
It’s not though. Fonz just wasn’t appreciated until that final season and even then I’m not sure he was appreciated enough. Moses just wasn’t liked. Billshit. Bring up a thread then to prove it ? You must finish work and think I want some attention.. I remember the time you pretended have a girlfriend ? Didn't she like pubs, the summer and stoke ? 🤣you seem nice.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 13, 2024 17:47:18 GMT
Nzonzi wasn’t really liked by the majority until his final season. Moses wasn’t rated here either. Must have imagined the praise for Moses then I loved Moses, albeit it I couldn’t praise him on here as I wasn’t a member then
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May 13, 2024 17:47:20 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on May 13, 2024 17:47:20 GMT
In relation to my post, haven't you just proved the point I was making? All of those players pretty much outperformed the mean of their squads at that time. Fuller when he first joined was outed as an idle mardarse, until his form sky rocketed and he became a club legend. People might forget those early days but I don't. Arnautovic is the extreme example. His bedding in period with the boo boys lasted about 18 months until again, his performances exploded way above the mean and he became a terrace favourite. The grafters never have that bedding in period. From the first slide tackle they are adored until the day they leave, with every excuse under the sun offered to them for their shortcomings. You know it's true deep down. 🤣 A shit grafter is a shit grafter. A shit 'flair' player is a shit 'flair' player. Stoke fans are no different to any others. Although on this board we seem to have more than our fair share of condescending supporters who enjoy portraying themselves as footballing experts while belittling other supporters. Of course but I'd argue that fans at this club do prefer graft over guile, but I guess we're at a dead end with that argument. Strange last paragraph. I generally find people on here ok, but there are one or two that get a bit arsey when they can't get their own way in a discussion...
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May 13, 2024 17:47:36 GMT
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Post by Pottersfan on May 13, 2024 17:47:36 GMT
Billshit. Bring up a thread then to prove it ? You must finish work and think I want some attention.. I remember the time you pretended have a girlfriend ? Didn't she like pubs, the summer and stoke ? 🤣you seem nice. True though
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Post by leicspotter on May 13, 2024 17:47:37 GMT
It's amazing how some folk seem to feel that they speak for, or about, "the majority" of fans when trying to make a point. Truth is this message board is just as likely to be unrepresentative of the fan base as it is to be representative of it, ditto the bloke who sits next to me.
A few boos against a player doesn't mean that everyone thinks said player is shit. I regularly travel with someone who doesn't rate Jon Walters, he is the minority in our vehicle...means nothing statistically, just as opinions on here.
So can we all stop with the pseudo statistical claims about "most fans" and just admit that an opinion is our opinion, end of, and that opinion may, or may not, be shared with a number of others, lots of others or just my mate and the bloke who sits in front of me
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 13, 2024 17:49:02 GMT
Arnie would rip this league a new one even now, he’s clearly still very fit and still playing albeit sporadically for the Serie A champions. Sadly it won’t be a thing
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May 13, 2024 17:49:27 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2024 17:49:27 GMT
It's amazing how some folk seem to feel that they speak for, or about, "the majority" of fans when trying to make a point. Truth is this message board is just as likely to be unrepresentative of the fan base as it is to be representative of it, ditto the bloke who sits next to me. A few boos against a player doesn't mean that everyone thinks said player is shit. I regularly travel with someone who doesn't rate Jon Walters, he is the minority in our vehicle...means nothing statistically, just as opinions on here. So can we all stop with the pseudo statistical claims about "most fans" and just admit that an opinion is our opinion, end of, and that opinion may, or may not, be shared with a number of others, lots of others or just my mate and the bloke who sits in front of me Only when it suits I guess. 🤣
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Post by foxysgloves on May 13, 2024 17:49:39 GMT
A shit grafter is a shit grafter. A shit 'flair' player is a shit 'flair' player. Stoke fans are no different to any others. Although on this board we seem to have more than our fair share of condescending supporters who enjoy portraying themselves as footballing experts while belittling other supporters. Of course but I'd argue that fans at this club do prefer graft over guile, but I guess we're at a dead end with that argument. Strange last paragraph. I generally find people on here ok, but there are one or two that get a bit arsey when they can't get their own way in a discussion... Aren’t you a fan of this club? Or are you one of a select splinter group of fans who appreciate flair more than graft?
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Post by foxysgloves on May 13, 2024 17:50:13 GMT
It's amazing how some folk seem to feel that they speak for, or about, "the majority" of fans when trying to make a point. Truth is this message board is just as likely to be unrepresentative of the fan base as it is to be representative of it, ditto the bloke who sits next to me. A few boos against a player doesn't mean that everyone thinks said player is shit. I regularly travel with someone who doesn't rate Jon Walters, he is the minority in our vehicle...means nothing statistically, just as opinions on here. So can we all stop with the pseudo statistical claims about "most fans" and just admit that an opinion is our opinion, end of, and that opinion may, or may not, be shared with a number of others, lots of others or just my mate and the bloke who sits in front of me Exactly.
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May 13, 2024 17:51:12 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2024 17:51:12 GMT
Of course but I'd argue that fans at this club do prefer graft over guile, but I guess we're at a dead end with that argument. Strange last paragraph. I generally find people on here ok, but there are one or two that get a bit arsey when they can't get their own way in a discussion... Aren’t you a fan of this club? Or are you one of a select splinter group of fans who appreciate flair more than graft? It’s definitely a thing. There’s just countless examples of it.
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Post by thornestein on May 13, 2024 17:52:42 GMT
Of course but I'd argue that fans at this club do prefer graft over guile, but I guess we're at a dead end with that argument. Strange last paragraph. I generally find people on here ok, but there are one or two that get a bit arsey when they can't get their own way in a discussion... Aren’t you a fan of this club? Or are you one of a select splinter group of fans who appreciate flair more than graft? wow , onlookers one of the more rational posters on here
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Post by Pottersfan on May 13, 2024 18:06:19 GMT
Aren’t you a fan of this club? Or are you one of a select splinter group of fans who appreciate flair more than graft? wow , onlookers one of the more rational posters on here Bayerns little bum boy I like to think of you
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2024 18:07:19 GMT
wow , onlookers one of the more rational posters on here Bayerns little bum boy I like to think of you Homophobia now. Classy.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 13, 2024 18:09:59 GMT
Aren’t you a fan of this club? Or are you one of a select splinter group of fans who appreciate flair more than graft? wow , onlookers one of the more rational posters on here He is. But he’s said something I strongly disagree with and find a bit condescending tbh. I don’t like this implication that most Stoke fans don’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to appreciating footballing ability. It might well be that as supporters we appreciate graft and hard work but I think we’re equally capable of recognising and appreciating gifted footballers.
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Post by Pottersfan on May 13, 2024 18:10:20 GMT
Bayerns little bum boy I like to think of you Homophobia now. Classy. And bullying. You're the kid in the playground who winds kids up cries when there's a reaction. Don't reply I can't be arsed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2024 18:11:47 GMT
And bullying. Youre the kid in the playground who winds kids up cries when there's a reaction. Dint reply I can't be arsed. You’ve wound yourself up. And then shown yourself up. Well done.
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Post by Pottersfan on May 13, 2024 18:13:02 GMT
And bullying. Youre the kid in the playground who winds kids up cries when there's a reaction. Dint reply I can't be arsed. You’ve wound yourself up. And then shown yourself up. Well done. Orate.
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Post by Pugsley on May 13, 2024 18:28:07 GMT
wow , onlookers one of the more rational posters on here He is. But he’s said something I strongly disagree with and find a bit condescending tbh. I don’t like this implication that most Stoke fans don’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to appreciating footballing ability. It might well be that as supporters we appreciate graft and hard work but I think we’re equally capable of recognising and appreciating gifted footballers. I think that during a certain managers reign, 'aaaarrrd work was praised more than flair. There was a misnomer that our more talented footballers didn't work as hard as our, let's say more limited footballers. It's complete nonsense of course. Everyone put a shift in when we were doing well and playing good football. When we were doing shit it's easy to point at the 'show pony's' and blame them for all our problems.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 13, 2024 18:34:39 GMT
He is. But he’s said something I strongly disagree with and find a bit condescending tbh. I don’t like this implication that most Stoke fans don’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to appreciating footballing ability. It might well be that as supporters we appreciate graft and hard work but I think we’re equally capable of recognising and appreciating gifted footballers. I think that during a certain managers reign, 'aaaarrrd work was praised more than flair. There was a misnomer that our more talented footballers didn't work as hard as our, let's say more limited footballers. It's complete nonsense of course. Everyone put a shift in when we were doing well and playing good football. When we were doing shit it's easy to point at the 'show pony's' and blame them for all our problems. Yeah that’s fair enough. And I suppose there is a big elephant in the room. Wearing a cap. Ultimately I think a club in our situation needs to have players who are all fully committed first and foremost. Once that’s in place the rest tends to follow. The reality is that it’s very hard to get to the top levels of pro football these days without being able to put a shift in. Players movements are tracked every minute of training and matches so anyone taking it easy is unlikely to make a match day squad. I think having seen the likes of Ric, Arnie, Shaqiri and Walters (couldn’t resist) we’re all desperate to see their likes again. Jun Ho, Million and Burger all hopefully suggest we’re moving in the right direction.
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Post by thornestein on May 13, 2024 19:14:12 GMT
wow , onlookers one of the more rational posters on here Bayerns little bum boy I like to think of you and youre just a 🛎️🔚
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May 13, 2024 19:16:08 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 13, 2024 19:16:08 GMT
wow , onlookers one of the more rational posters on here He is. But he’s said something I strongly disagree with and find a bit condescending tbh. I don’t like this implication that most Stoke fans don’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to appreciating footballing ability. It might well be that as supporters we appreciate graft and hard work but I think we’re equally capable of recognising and appreciating gifted footballers. i’d prefer skill over graft tbh , would like both in a player but those are expensive
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Post by kjpt140v on May 13, 2024 21:42:34 GMT
I’d love him to come back, but really can’t see it. Bloke would tear this league apart. I don't want him, ever. Only ever interested in the money. Crapped on every club he's played for. His attitude was terrible when he wanted to go, and will never forget his celebration when scoring against us.
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Post by lordb on May 13, 2024 21:45:25 GMT
He is. But he’s said something I strongly disagree with and find a bit condescending tbh. I don’t like this implication that most Stoke fans don’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to appreciating footballing ability. It might well be that as supporters we appreciate graft and hard work but I think we’re equally capable of recognising and appreciating gifted footballers. i’d prefer skill over graft tbh , would like both in a player but those are expensive Yes those are usually in the pl As such we have to, generally, have one or the other which means we have to get the balance right
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Post by essexstokey on May 14, 2024 5:21:35 GMT
Still can't see why people are pushing for a 35 year old with no retail value questionable attitude and probably an inflated wage that effects ffp better to look for younger players that we can develop
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Post by davethebass on May 14, 2024 7:39:47 GMT
Conroy Edit: just noticed you said wide left! My bad lol TC was of course a right winger but also operated on the left wing and at CF when required. Pure class and as for who contributed the most, no contest! Ah ok, I'm counting him then! Reckon my pick of that era would be...Banks Skeels Smith Dodd Pejic Conroy Hudson Mahoney Salmons Greenhoff Ritchie Imagine if we had that team now! But hey nostalgia hey
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Post by lordb on May 14, 2024 7:40:50 GMT
Still can't see why people are pushing for a 35 year old with no retail value questionable attitude and probably an inflated wage that effects ffp better to look for younger players that we can develop Because such young players develop by playing with experienced quality
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 14, 2024 15:21:58 GMT
It’s not though. Fonz just wasn’t appreciated until that final season and even then I’m not sure he was appreciated enough. Moses just wasn’t liked. When you're right, you're right.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 14, 2024 15:53:00 GMT
It’s not though. Fonz just wasn’t appreciated until that final season and even then I’m not sure he was appreciated enough. Moses just wasn’t liked. Don't go bringing the demise of Happy Days and the Old Testament into it.
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Post by Numismatist on May 26, 2024 20:05:56 GMT
Two goals by HT in Arnie’s final game for Inter. Hatty incoming, then confirmation of ‘unfinished business’ at FT?
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Post by Veritas on May 26, 2024 22:34:27 GMT
Two goals by HT in Arnie’s final game for Inter. Hatty incoming, then confirmation of ‘unfinished business’ at FT? Is anyone interested?
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