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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 8:04:19 GMT
I think that's a pretty good assessment. If we have the sort of turnover some are suggesting we will be back to square one and the usual suspects will be moaning about a shit manager and a shit squad after another relegation battle as yet another unfamiliar squad struggle to find their feet in the Championship. We have had a shit season but there have been signs recently of something coming together. I think we should be building on what we have, not ripping up and starting again. We need to go back to square one 🤣 Let’s build on a group that nearly got us relegated. Hahahahahhaaha Yep, let’s just fuck everyone off and start again. Piece of piss. Just click a button like it’s a game of Championship Manager.
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Post by hotterpotter on May 2, 2024 8:11:53 GMT
Calling Bayern an ignoramus is being kind. It’s hard to imagine how he gets on with the unfortunate individuals who are forced to cross his path in his everyday life. Perhaps harsh (some would say overly so) and opinionated (some would say very) but I don't think ignorant/stupid. Happy to be corrected 😀
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Post by gogogadget on May 2, 2024 8:12:35 GMT
the best wave goodbye saturday for me would be Birmingham relegated That would be a very happy good Saturday Followed by news the yanks were not aware of relegation and they pull all investment
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Post by J-Roar on May 2, 2024 8:17:12 GMT
I'd keep Stevens. He made a massive difference when he finally got fit.
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 8:23:47 GMT
We need to go back to square one 🤣 Let’s build on a group that nearly got us relegated. Hahahahahhaaha Yep, let’s just fuck everyone off and start again. Piece of piss. Just click a button like it’s a game of Championship Manager. most have being saying it’s not the manager it’s the shit players , you can’t have it both ways , we need at least 7-8 starters and couple more squad players
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Post by questionable on May 2, 2024 8:27:01 GMT
It’s imperative that we insanely don’t overlook (again) certain key positions ie no LB/CB/CF for half/full season
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 8:28:30 GMT
Yep, let’s just fuck everyone off and start again. Piece of piss. Just click a button like it’s a game of Championship Manager. most have being saying it’s not the manager it’s the shit players , you can’t have it both ways , we need at least 7-8 starters and couple more squad players I think that’s unrealistic. How are we going to afford them for a start? Unless we sell one of our best players?
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 8:32:52 GMT
most have being saying it’s not the manager it’s the shit players , you can’t have it both ways , we need at least 7-8 starters and couple more squad players I think that’s unrealistic. How are we going to afford them for a start? Unless we sell one of our best players? i imagine loans and free’s for half of them
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 8:36:08 GMT
I think that’s unrealistic. How are we going to afford them for a start? Unless we sell one of our best players? i imagine loans and free’s for half of them Are loans and frees going to improve what we’ve already got? Maybe but I doubt it. I wouldn’t be so quick to be offloading the likes of Laurent, Wlmot and Baker because I’ve not got a great deal of faith that we will find better.
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Post by theonlooker on May 2, 2024 8:41:50 GMT
most have being saying it’s not the manager it’s the shit players , you can’t have it both ways , we need at least 7-8 starters and couple more squad players I think that’s unrealistic. How are we going to afford them for a start? Unless we sell one of our best players? Take a look at most of the transfers in this league most seasons. This year WBA signed just 6, which was the lowest in the division. Next up were Preston and Watford with 8. The rest of the league were 10+. The landscape is changing with a lot of players signing up for 18/24 months with options, which gives a lot of churn most summers/January. Last year Burnley signed over 20 and romped the league.
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 8:43:18 GMT
i imagine loans and free’s for half of them Are loans and frees going to improve what we’ve already got? Maybe but I doubt it. I would be so quick to be offloading the likes of Laurent, Wlmot and Baker bacause I’ve not got a great deal of faith that we will find better. well that’s the hard part , i don’t have much faith as well seeing the two SS bought in in january
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 2, 2024 8:46:04 GMT
I'm sure it'll be thelast we'll see of Hoever in a Stoke shirt, McNally probably won't be here next season, if the rumours are true then Iverson won't be returning, Stevens is probably going to be released, Campbell will leave, Wesley will leave, Haksabanovic will leave, Cundle may have another year on loan here as Shuey does like him, Ciaran Clark will leave. Then we'll have the likes of Johnson who could be sold (or given a free), Pearson and McCarron could be sold and Andre Vidigal may be a surprise addition to the list. Thompson has an optional year which I think will be triggered. But like last year there will be a lot to do in the summer transfer window. Roll on the summer transfer thread! Gouranga. I'm not sure if a lot of the ones going will even be there on Saturday. If Wesley, Haks etc aren't in the squad, will they really be there? Wesley - I think we thought we were getting something completely different than we got and from, all accounts, he's actually a really nice guy. No animosity from me on that Vidigial - He'll be off back to Portugal Haks - End of loan Clark - Bye Baker - Just think he'll move on somewhere down south, QPR maybe Hoever - Can't see us getting him a third time from Wolves. A bigger loan/transfer beckons for him Johnson - No chance he's staying McNally/Rose - I think if Rose leaves we might go back in for McNally, but no point in having them both on our books again next season. Wilmot won't be leaving Iversen - Think we'll sign someone else over the summer, reckon he was done before Schumacher got here Possibly Laurent. If we want anything for him, it needs to be this summer (and even then it won't be much). If we want him, then we probably need to offer him another 2 years taking him into his 30's when, even in his 20's, he's hardly been fantastic. I think his late season form may tempt us into extending. I think Mmaee and Campbell will stay along with Ennis. We then need a quality addition up there with them in the summer. Pearson will also stay and would have featured a lot more if not for injury.
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 8:50:05 GMT
I think that’s unrealistic. How are we going to afford them for a start? Unless we sell one of our best players? Take a look at most of the transfers in this league most seasons. This year WBA signed just 6, which was the lowest in the division. Next up were Preston and Watford with 8. The rest of the league were 10+. The landscape is changing with a lot of players signing up for 18/24 months with options, which gives a lot of churn most summers/January. Last year Burnley signed over 20 and romped the league. I just don’t see a major reconstruction of the squad again. Players will come in for sure, but talk of 10+ players is unrealistic and probably unnecessary. I’d rather see us move most of the out of contract players on, slim the numbers down a bit and look to bring in 5/6 quality players who improve the starting line up.
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Post by theonlooker on May 2, 2024 8:52:15 GMT
Take a look at most of the transfers in this league most seasons. This year WBA signed just 6, which was the lowest in the division. Next up were Preston and Watford with 8. The rest of the league were 10+. The landscape is changing with a lot of players signing up for 18/24 months with options, which gives a lot of churn most summers/January. Last year Burnley signed over 20 and romped the league. I just don’t see a major reconstruction of the squad again. Players will come in for sure, but talk of 10+ players is unrealistic and probably unnecessary. I’d rather see us move most of the out of contract players on, slim the numbers down a bit and look to bring in 5/6 quality players who improve the starting line up. How is it unnecessary when we've just come as close to relegation as we ever have in 6 years, and the general consensus is that the squad is so shit the manager can't be expected to achieve anything with it? If that's not ripe for another rebuild then nothing is, else what's the point of it all?
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Post by alsager58 on May 2, 2024 8:57:12 GMT
Lets wave goodbye to all the moaning Nigels on the Oatcake and in the stands and get behind SS. For some reason they are already becoming quiet mumbling and shuffling back into their grey dormant lives.
Just do it again Shuey.
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 8:59:51 GMT
I just don’t see a major reconstruction of the squad again. Players will come in for sure, but talk of 10+ players is unrealistic and probably unnecessary. I’d rather see us move most of the out of contract players on, slim the numbers down a bit and look to bring in 5/6 quality players who improve the starting line up. How is it unnecessary when we've just come as close to relegation as we ever have in 6 years, and the general consensus is that the squad is so shit the manager can't be expected to achieve anything with it? If that's not ripe for another rebuild then nothing is, else what's the point of it all? Because the squad is capable of better. Coaches need to do what they are paid to do. Coach and improve. Focus on bringing in quality over quantity. Half a dozen decent players with the correct mindset would make a huge difference.
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Post by LGH87 on May 2, 2024 9:17:17 GMT
How is it unnecessary when we've just come as close to relegation as we ever have in 6 years, and the general consensus is that the squad is so shit the manager can't be expected to achieve anything with it? If that's not ripe for another rebuild then nothing is, else what's the point of it all? Because the squad is capable of better. Coaches need to do what they are paid to do. Coach and improve. Focus on bringing in quality over quantity. Half a dozen decent players with the correct mindset would make a huge difference. The way I see it is we need 6/7 first 11, starting signings. With the likes of Gooch, Rose, Leris, Ennis, Laurent, Thompson as bench players. Whereas last summer we had such small numbers we almost had to sign players for the starting 11 and their backups. As it's transpired, a lot of those signings haven't quite made the grade but will be more than adequate as back up/bench options. GK CB CB LB DM/CM LW ST
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2024 9:21:12 GMT
Because the squad is capable of better. Coaches need to do what they are paid to do. Coach and improve. Focus on bringing in quality over quantity. Half a dozen decent players with the correct mindset would make a huge difference. The way I see it is we need 6/7 first 11, starting signings. With the likes of Gooch, Rose, Leris, Ennis, Laurent, Thompson as bench players. Whereas last summer we had such small numbers we almost had to sign players for the starting 11 and their backups. As it's transpired, a lot of those signings haven't quite made the grade but will be more than adequate as back up/bench options. GK CB CB LB DM/CM LW ST I think that’s a fair assessment. It will be interesting to see what kind of budget we have to work with.
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Post by LGH87 on May 2, 2024 9:23:06 GMT
The way I see it is we need 6/7 first 11, starting signings. With the likes of Gooch, Rose, Leris, Ennis, Laurent, Thompson as bench players. Whereas last summer we had such small numbers we almost had to sign players for the starting 11 and their backups. As it's transpired, a lot of those signings haven't quite made the grade but will be more than adequate as back up/bench options. GK CB CB LB DM/CM LW ST I think that’s a fair assessment. It will be interesting to see what kind of budget we have to work with. I think based on last summer's spend plus the money we brought in and the fact that the last year of a sizeable loss on FFP will have been removed, should give us a competitive budget.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 2, 2024 9:26:06 GMT
I think that's a pretty good assessment. If we have the sort of turnover some are suggesting we will be back to square one and the usual suspects will be moaning about a shit manager and a shit squad after another relegation battle as yet another unfamiliar squad struggle to find their feet in the Championship. We have had a shit season but there have been signs recently of something coming together. I think we should be building on what we have, not ripping up and starting again. We need to go back to square one 🤣 Let’s build on a group that nearly got us relegated. Hahahahahhaaha The better players in that squad like Bae and Burger flattered to deceive early on - you could see the potential but they didn't make that much impact while they adapted to the pace and intensity of the Championship. A big reason we struggled first half of the season was because we did a massive rebuild last summer and we then made life even more difficult by appointing a new manager with a completely different game plan and little experience mid season. Go for the sort of rebuild you are talking about is just rinse and repeat and of course you will be on here next year telling everyone it's all shit and we need to start again. Again. We have unearthed some real talent and have some solid pros in the current squad. Sort out the keeper, the defence and a decent striker and we are good to go.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 2, 2024 9:36:31 GMT
Johnson, Baker, Haks, Vidigal, Mmaee, Clark, Hoever, Wesley.
I’d be surprised if any of those were here at the end of the next transfer window.
I think we’ll sign Stevens and Thompson again. I think we’ll try and sign Iversen and Cundle on permanent deals.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 2, 2024 9:52:04 GMT
Other than Junho, Burger, Manheof and Thompson, the rest can go!!! Be careful what you wish for turfy. Remember last summer with was it 19 new signings and loanees that took AN months to get them "gelled" & sort out his strongest 11 which he failed to do. We don't need another complete new team like last summer, that's for sure..... What I meant by my post is that, other than the ones I mentioned, I wouldn't be bothered to see any of the others gone!!! Contrary to opinion on here, I don't mind Laurant either!!!
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Post by ChesterStokie on May 2, 2024 9:59:47 GMT
I think that's a pretty good assessment. If we have the sort of turnover some are suggesting we will be back to square one and the usual suspects will be moaning about a shit manager and a shit squad after another relegation battle as yet another unfamiliar squad struggle to find their feet in the Championship. We have had a shit season but there have been signs recently of something coming together. I think we should be building on what we have, not ripping up and starting again. We need to go back to square one 🤣 Let’s build on a group that nearly got us relegated. Hahahahahhaaha Wrong again. Let’s build on a group that over the final quarter of the season have been in play off form.
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Post by stantheman on May 2, 2024 10:06:01 GMT
5 games 🤣🤣🤣 Laurent has been shit bar 5/6 games a season since he got here. Why do people gloss over this wasters uselessness because of the odd good game? It’s painful Wilmot is dogshit. Bonham is dogshit. Stevens is never fit. Cundle not good enough. Hoever can’t defend. Ennis should not be on the bench. McNally dogshit Leris dogshit Would love for you to meet a few of these players, face to face, that you constantly slaughter through verbal diarrhea.
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Post by jokker on May 2, 2024 10:06:43 GMT
I'm sure it'll be thelast we'll see of Hoever in a Stoke shirt, McNally probably won't be here next season, if the rumours are true then Iverson won't be returning, Stevens is probably going to be released, Campbell will leave, Wesley will leave, Haksabanovic will leave, Cundle may have another year on loan here as Shuey does like him, Ciaran Clark will leave. Then we'll have the likes of Johnson who could be sold (or given a free), Pearson and McCarron could be sold and Andre Vidigal may be a surprise addition to the list. Thompson has an optional year which I think will be triggered. But like last year there will be a lot to do in the summer transfer window. Roll on the summer transfer thread! Gouranga. If you can sell Pearson, with a profit even, you could get a permanent job upstairs...
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Post by march4 on May 2, 2024 10:13:12 GMT
Twice we were transformed from relegation battlers to an effective outfit by the addition of Huddy. It only needs an inspirational signing to shift the whole outlook of the team.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 2, 2024 10:35:49 GMT
Yep, let’s just fuck everyone off and start again. Piece of piss. Just click a button like it’s a game of Championship Manager. most have being saying it’s not the manager it’s the shit players , you can’t have it both ways , we need at least 7-8 starters and couple more squad players Sometimes 3-4 players can make a huge difference. Manhoef once he got bedded in made a huge difference to the side. The right players can also improve others. Clearly we need a new keeper because we don’t have one 1 x LB though more because Stevens injury record is so poor 1 x CB because we’re lacking an experienced organiser and leader. 1 x STR because there’s just not enough goals in the side There could be a call for a creative Cundle type at the point of the 3. As an example Travers Junior Wilmot or Rose Coady Stevens / new LB Pearson Burger new CM Bae Cannon Manhoef Would make us competitive bulked up with some decent bench players.
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 10:57:47 GMT
most have being saying it’s not the manager it’s the shit players , you can’t have it both ways , we need at least 7-8 starters and couple more squad players Sometimes 3-4 players can make a huge difference. Manhoef once he got bedded in made a huge difference to the side. The right players can also improve others. Clearly we need a new keeper because we don’t have one 1 x LB though more because Stevens injury record is so poor 1 x CB because we’re lacking an experienced organiser and leader. 1 x STR because there’s just not enough goals in the side There could be a call for a creative Cundle type at the point of the 3. As an example Travers Junior Wilmot or Rose Coady Stevens / new LB Pearson Burger new CM Bae Cannon Manhoef Would make us competitive bulked up with some decent bench players. . the starting line up maybe at a push but full season you need a squad , a bear minimum of 8-10 in i’d say , that may include some of the loanees we already have , personally i wouldn’t bother with any of them as they’ve been inconsistent at best
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 11:00:05 GMT
I just don’t see a major reconstruction of the squad again. Players will come in for sure, but talk of 10+ players is unrealistic and probably unnecessary. I’d rather see us move most of the out of contract players on, slim the numbers down a bit and look to bring in 5/6 quality players who improve the starting line up. How is it unnecessary when we've just come as close to relegation as we ever have in 6 years, and the general consensus is that the squad is so shit the manager can't be expected to achieve anything with it? If that's not ripe for another rebuild then nothing is, else what's the point of it all? how ppl can’t see this is baffling tbh
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Post by thornestein on May 2, 2024 11:01:45 GMT
How is it unnecessary when we've just come as close to relegation as we ever have in 6 years, and the general consensus is that the squad is so shit the manager can't be expected to achieve anything with it? If that's not ripe for another rebuild then nothing is, else what's the point of it all? Because the squad is capable of better. Coaches need to do what they are paid to do. Coach and improve. Focus on bringing in quality over quantity. Half a dozen decent players with the correct mindset would make a huge difference. if the squad is capable of better then SS should be sacked for underperforming as we were nearly relegated
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