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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2024 18:24:08 GMT
He poses next to no threat at the other end. He’s only ever scored well internationally against people a foot shorter than him. Excellent defensively in the air but lacks the aggression to be an attacking threat at corners. Of course he does he’s massive and can head a ball. His goal scoring record is abysmal.
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Post by a on Jul 25, 2024 18:27:59 GMT
He’ll not doubt have other souttars
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 25, 2024 18:28:49 GMT
He's played about 10 games since he left us eighteen months ago. In this division virtually nothing. I like Harry but forgive me if I'm slightly sceptical he'd suddenly be the best defender in the league Who's better? No idea. The standard is generally garbage so you've probably got a point there ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) but I'd be amazed if he improved "any team" that plays a back four and/or a high line because he's glaringly quite weak in those areas
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 25, 2024 18:29:33 GMT
He’ll not doubt have other souttars Yes he plays for Rangers
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Post by strettonstokie on Jul 25, 2024 18:29:40 GMT
No idea. The standard is generally garbage so you've probably got a point there ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) but I'd be amazed if he improved "any team" that plays a back four and/or a high line because he's glaringly quite weak in those areas Lol he literally does improve every defence in this league this year deep down you know it 😉
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 25, 2024 18:30:50 GMT
I'd take him back in a heart beat,he would improve us defensively no end.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2024 18:47:14 GMT
I'm 65/35 in favour of taking him back. Ideally, I want a permanent CB but doubt we'll find better.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 25, 2024 18:56:50 GMT
I'm 65/35 in favour of taking him back. Ideally, I want a permanent CB but doubt we'll find better. If the majority of our budget is going on a striker and CM. I don't mind a 4th CB being a loan. The only CBs i would like to sign now we have 3 senior ones is a quality 20/23 year old who's going cost 5mil plus. If we can sign a good CB on loan who will impact the first team, on this occasion I'm all for it.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 25, 2024 18:58:37 GMT
Of course he does he’s massive and can head a ball. His goal scoring record is abysmal. You mentioned ‘threat’ not goal scoring. He’s a massive threat in the box, direct headers, knock ons, physical presence etc. Gosls would surely come with direct training.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 25, 2024 19:57:09 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 25, 2024 20:02:39 GMT
As much as I appreciate that you're entitled to your opinion, I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to direct it solely to me??? 🤔
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Post by st3mark on Jul 25, 2024 20:05:04 GMT
Would love him back if the finances of the loan are right.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 25, 2024 20:07:34 GMT
(with apologies to and to the tune of Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah')...needs workshopping...cough...
Verse: Your defense was strong but you needed proof You saw him soaring near the roof His header strong and clean, it overthrew you He spied a pass for a breakaway He stood so tall, made attackers sway And from your lips, he drew a "Harry Souttar!"
Chorus: Harry Souttar, Harry Souttar Harry Souttar, Harry Souttar
Verse 3: Maybe I've been here before I've seen him play and I know the score I used to watch him at Stoke City too, yeah I've seen his flair on the pitch, you know It's not his speed but the towering blow He's our tall and he's our solid Harry Souttar
Chorus: Harry Souttar, Harry Souttar Harry Souttar, Harry Souttar
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Post by Bagwash on Jul 25, 2024 20:17:53 GMT
Would have him back in a heartbeat whether we play 3 or 5 at the back. Do it Stoke.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 25, 2024 20:28:39 GMT
We should only sign him if he fits in with what Schumacher is trying to build. As long as we aren't just throwing a team of misfits together then I'm all for it
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Post by stokiespark on Jul 25, 2024 21:03:39 GMT
Of course he can play in a back 4, bring him back exactly what we need.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 25, 2024 21:14:22 GMT
Of course he can play in a back 4, bring him back exactly what we need. What he may lack in pace is more than cancelled out by his game reading ability and his calm on the ball. If he's available to us we'd be mugs to not get him. A class player for this league...
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Post by stokiespark on Jul 25, 2024 21:19:56 GMT
Of course he can play in a back 4, bring him back exactly what we need. What he may lack in pace is more than cancelled out by his game reading ability and his calm on the ball. If he's available to us we'd be mugs to not get him. A class player for this league... Absolutely, Shawcross and Huth weren't exactly rapid, neither Cranson and Overson. Granted we probably play a different type of football to the teams that they played in but every style of play has its weaknesses. If we play a high line and a susceptible to a ball over the top we need our keeper to be on his toes ready to clear anything up. Also, Stevens aside, our fullbacks whilst not rapid do have a turn of pace to help cover.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 25, 2024 21:22:44 GMT
As much as I appreciate that you're entitled to your opinion, I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to direct it solely to me??? 🤔 Sorry mate.😶
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2024 21:24:07 GMT
This pace argument is interesting, I very rarely remember him getting "done for pace" whilst he was with us. In fact, he had a great knack for recovery and covering for others. It was only exposed at Leicester because the defensive line was suicidally high and the team was useless. We might want to play higher up the pitch than when he was last here, but I can't see it being anywhere near the levels of what he was asked to do stupidly at Leicester when he signed.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 25, 2024 21:26:17 GMT
What he may lack in pace is more than cancelled out by his game reading ability and his calm on the ball. If he's available to us we'd be mugs to not get him. A class player for this league... Absolutely, Shawcross and Huth weren't exactly rapid, neither Cranson and Overson. Granted we probably play a different type of football to the teams that they played in but every style of play has its weaknesses. If we play a high line and a susceptible to a ball over the top we need our keeper to be on his toes ready to clear anything up. Also, Stevens aside, our fullbacks whilst not rapid do have a turn of pace to help cover. And he'll have learnt a lot training with Faes and Vestergaard. If we do get him it could end up being our most significant signing this season...
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Post by stokiespark on Jul 25, 2024 21:28:59 GMT
This pace argument is interesting, I very rarely remember him getting "done for pace" whilst he was with us. In fact, he had a great knack for recovery and covering for others. It was only exposed at Leicester because the defensive line was suicidally high and the team was useless. We might want to play higher up the pitch than when he was last here, but I can't see it being anywhere near the levels of what he was asked to do stupidly at Leicester when he signed. i agree once he gets going he is certainly not slow. Its more the first few yards, but show me a 6’7” centre half that is quick on the turn and has that initial acceleration.
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Post by maine on Jul 25, 2024 21:30:32 GMT
Who would train Harry to score from set pieces? Please don't say Ryan. It definitely wasn't his strength.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 25, 2024 21:32:58 GMT
This pace argument is interesting, I very rarely remember him getting "done for pace" whilst he was with us. In fact, he had a great knack for recovery and covering for others. It was only exposed at Leicester because the defensive line was suicidally high and the team was useless. We might want to play higher up the pitch than when he was last here, but I can't see it being anywhere near the levels of what he was asked to do stupidly at Leicester when he signed. It’s not pace as such - he can get up to quite a gallop, hence the ability to chase across and cover - It’s quickness on the turn. Just by nature of his giant frame he’s a bit lumbering and can easily be caught by the ball over the top with a nippy forward accelerating away from him. I do think he’s a class defender in the right system - it just seems like we play precisely the wrong system for a player like him.
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Post by stokiespark on Jul 25, 2024 21:38:06 GMT
This pace argument is interesting, I very rarely remember him getting "done for pace" whilst he was with us. In fact, he had a great knack for recovery and covering for others. It was only exposed at Leicester because the defensive line was suicidally high and the team was useless. We might want to play higher up the pitch than when he was last here, but I can't see it being anywhere near the levels of what he was asked to do stupidly at Leicester when he signed. It’s not pace as such - he can get up to quite a gallop, hence the ability to chase across and cover - It’s quickness on the turn. Just by nature of his giant frame he’s a bit lumbering and can easily be caught by the ball over the top with a nippy forward accelerating away from him. I do think he’s a class defender in the right system - it just seems like we play precisely the wrong system for a player like him. i dont know if we do actually play the wrong system.I Agree with what you've said but for me thats what makes football interesting. Different attributes within different players, nippy forwards are always a pain for the lumbering centre half or any centre half for that matter, nobody likes to defend against pace.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 25, 2024 21:44:22 GMT
I just hope he comes back.
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Post by a on Jul 25, 2024 22:33:36 GMT
This pace argument is interesting, I very rarely remember him getting "done for pace" whilst he was with us. In fact, he had a great knack for recovery and covering for others. It was only exposed at Leicester because the defensive line was suicidally high and the team was useless. We might want to play higher up the pitch than when he was last here, but I can't see it being anywhere near the levels of what he was asked to do stupidly at Leicester when he signed. i agree once he gets going he is certainly not slow. Its more the first few yards, but show me a 6’7” centre half that is quick on the turn and has that initial acceleration. I remember Per Mertesacker at Arsenal being big but slow, didn’t seem to stop them defending… So what if he’s not the fastest? I don’t think it’s the be all for a CB, as long as they can defend and read the game. He won’t be coming here anyway imo.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 25, 2024 22:46:13 GMT
Pace is not an issue if you have good tactical awareness
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 26, 2024 0:12:31 GMT
As much as I appreciate that you're entitled to your opinion, I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to direct it solely to me??? 🤔 Sorry mate.😶 Don't be sorry..... Now you've made me feel bad!!! 😁
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Post by HarryTheHat on Jul 26, 2024 6:21:28 GMT
No thanks
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