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Post by wazbagsbro on Apr 25, 2024 22:17:06 GMT
Hardly important 50 years later. They could have won it but didn't. We could have won the pub quiz at The Brewhouse but won't hold grudges against bastard Kevin who wouldn't listen when I told him The Who had never had a No 1 single. Floppy haired Yorkshire Muppet. Too right , so why does that historian mention it , it must have fucking hurt him even after 50 years The other guy to mention it was Phil Daniels, from quadraphenia. He was devoed, they also showed the goals |
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2024 22:18:11 GMT
This Saturday’s 50 years ago edition will suggest that it was Chelsea who were awful in those days and we were much better than them. They were definitely considered by the media to be hot favourites on the day, and we were definitely thought of as the underdogs from what I recall. This seemed to be based more on reputation and the fact that we were thought of as unfashionable club rather than results on the pitch. Wouldn't you say? Though I suppose Chelsea had recently won the FA Cup and the Cup Winners Cup which had raised their profile too. Looking forward to your next post. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 25, 2024 23:11:05 GMT
This Saturday’s 50 years ago edition will suggest that it was Chelsea who were awful in those days and we were much better than them. They were definitely considered by the media to be hot favourites on the day, and we were definitely thought of as the underdogs from what I recall. This seemed to be based more on reputation and the fact that we were thought of as unfashionable club rather than results on the pitch. Wouldn't you say? Though I suppose Chelsea had recently won the FA Cup and the Cup Winners Cup which had raised their profile too. Looking forward to your next post. They were so cocky in the final. Hollins tried to score by attempting to lob Banksie from the kick off. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 26, 2024 5:57:07 GMT
They should all fuck off to their la la land euro league and leave the other 80 odd clubs to play the game we have loved since infancy. It will probably be more fun without them anyway. Any league without the scum, dippers, manure, shiteh, spuds and chelski will be a far more competitive place. And then maybe we can introduce some sanity for transfers and wages instead of the obscence monies we see now. Lets face its 'the working mans game' moniker is finished until we get hold of our senses. How could you possibly forget the arseholes from emitarse stadium. Fucking horrible club even amongst those you’ve mentioned. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 26, 2024 6:05:17 GMT
I wonder if Chelsea Historian was at The Victoria Ground for the 1975 League Cup game. They probably should have won that too, instead of getting stuffed by 5 goals to 2.It was 6-2 mate, I was there. We were 6-0 up at one point before we 'declared' and gifted them 2 consolation goals in the last 10 minutes. It was a second replay as well, can you recall where it was played?. . |
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Post by werrington on Apr 26, 2024 6:28:05 GMT
It was 6-2 mate, I was there. We were 6-0 up at one point before we 'declared' and gifted them 2 consolation goals in the last 10 minutes. It was a second replay as well, can you recall where it was played?. . I was there also along with the first replay The first replay at Stoke finished 1-1 ( I think ) and we won the toss to host the second replay 6-2 |
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Post by rotweiss79 on Apr 26, 2024 6:40:02 GMT
They've never won the Autoglass either.
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Post by rotweiss79 on Apr 26, 2024 6:40:13 GMT
They've never won the Autoglass either.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 26, 2024 6:45:52 GMT
This Saturday’s 50 years ago edition will suggest that it was Chelsea who were awful in those days and we were much better than them. They were definitely considered by the media to be hot favourites on the day, and we were definitely thought of as the underdogs from what I recall. This seemed to be based more on reputation and the fact that we were thought of as unfashionable club rather than results on the pitch. Wouldn't you say? Though I suppose Chelsea had recently won the FA Cup and the Cup Winners Cup which had raised their profile too. Looking forward to your next post. Yeah, they beat Leeds in the former in 1970 and Real Madrid in the latter in 1971 both on replays. They were definitely favourites and cocky. They thought they were the bollocks of the Kings Rd. Neither were their fans particularly good losers that day trashing a pub full of celebrating Stoke fans. That 1971 Cup winners cup final was a high point. They plummeted down in decline on the following decade to a low where they nearly went into 3rd division in 1982. |
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Post by Northy on Apr 26, 2024 6:49:07 GMT
I wonder if Chelsea Historian was at The Victoria Ground for the 1975 League Cup game. They probably should have won that too, instead of getting stuffed by 5 goals to 2. I was at that one, a night game, it was was 6-2 I think, mind you I was born in Leek and could count the goals on one hand 😉 |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 26, 2024 6:52:18 GMT
They should all fuck off to their la la land euro league and leave the other 80 odd clubs to play the game we have loved since infancy. It will probably be more fun without them anyway. Any league without the scum, dippers, manure, shiteh, spuds and chelski will be a far more competitive place. And then maybe we can introduce some sanity for transfers and wages instead of the obscence monies we see now. Lets face its 'the working mans game' moniker is finished until we get hold of our senses. How could you possibly forget the arseholes from emitarse stadium. Fucking horrible club even amongst those you’ve mentioned. i didnt forget mate, they are the scum on my list. they will always be my most despised team. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 26, 2024 7:13:55 GMT
They've never won the Autoglass either. Didn't they win The full Members Cup ? The equivalent of a bronze swimming certificate |
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Post by Gods on Apr 26, 2024 7:15:06 GMT
It was 6-2 mate, I was there. We were 6-0 up at one point before we 'declared' and gifted them 2 consolation goals in the last 10 minutes. It was a second replay as well, can you recall where it was played?. . Yes 2nd replay, at the Victoria Ground, same as the first replay. No neutral grounds for 2nd replays in the League Cup perhaps? We drew the first game 2-2 at Stamford Bridge and the first replay at the Vic was 1-1. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 26, 2024 7:18:14 GMT
It was a second replay as well, can you recall where it was played?. . I was there also along with the first replay The first replay at Stoke finished 1-1 ( I think ) and we won the toss to host the second replay 6-2 Love it. Any dispute back then and you'd just flip a coin and everyone walks away! |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 26, 2024 7:43:40 GMT
I was there also along with the first replay The first replay at Stoke finished 1-1 ( I think ) and we won the toss to host the second replay 6-2 Love it. Any dispute back then and you'd just flip a coin and everyone walks away! Back in the day Liverpool once won a European Cup tie by toss of a coin after two draws. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 26, 2024 7:46:49 GMT
Love it. Any dispute back then and you'd just flip a coin and everyone walks away! Back in the day Liverpool once won a European Cup tie by toss of a coin after two draws. Indeed, and Italy got to and won a European Championship final via the toss of a coin. I'm pretty sure domestic waterlogged cup ties which you just couldn't get on in time got decided this way too. Can you imagine today? 'Sorry Juergen/Pep you have next weekend off mate, it's come up tails'  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 26, 2024 7:49:23 GMT
Back in the day Liverpool once won a European Cup tie by toss of a coin after two draws. Indeed, and Italy go to and won a European Championship final via the toss of a coin. I'm pretty sure domestic waterlogged cup ties which you just couldn't get on in time got decided this way too. Can you imagine today? 'Sorry Juergen/Pep you have the weekend off mate, it's come up tails' Or perhaps the answer to scrapping fa cup replays. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 26, 2024 7:51:46 GMT
Love it. Any dispute back then and you'd just flip a coin and everyone walks away! Back in the day Liverpool once won a European Cup tie by toss of a coin after two draws. Nit sure if still there but sone fantastic footage of it on You Tube V Cologne , the coin actually stuck on it's side in the mud and even the coin toss went to a replay Overath the German captain, can't remember the Liverpool one. Was after a neutral replay Edit just found it. Wow, was a 1/4 final. Ron Yeats the Liverpool captain |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 26, 2024 7:57:41 GMT
Back in the day Liverpool once won a European Cup tie by toss of a coin after two draws. Nit sure if still there but sone fantastic footage of it on You Tube V Cologne , the coin actually stuck on it's side in the mud and even the coin toss went to a replay Overath the German captain, can't remember the Liverpool one. Was after a neutral replay I vaguely remember watching highlights on tele and think it was Ron Yeats was dippers captain. Also it wasn’t a coin but rather a larger disc with different colours on each side presumably in the club colours. Edit: just seen your YouTube video good find maccy strange the Liverpool players didn’t seem too thrilled. |
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 26, 2024 8:01:38 GMT
We were massive underdogs tbf and finished 17th that season.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 26, 2024 8:01:56 GMT
Nit sure if still there but sone fantastic footage of it on You Tube V Cologne , the coin actually stuck on it's side in the mud and even the coin toss went to a replay Overath the German captain, can't remember the Liverpool one. Was after a neutral replay I vaguely remember watching highlights on tele and think it was Ron Yeats was dippers captain. Also it wasn’t a coin but rather a larger disc with different colours on each side presumably in the club colours. The reason I remember Overath, before my time was he was mentioned by John Motson in one of his commentaries in 82 as if England beat Spain 2-1 in the group stage , it would have gone to drawing lots on the pitch with Germany . Finished 0-0 |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 26, 2024 8:19:29 GMT
We were massive underdogs tbf and finished 17th that season. The season was an epic 72 games over 4 competitions. League 1, Fa cup, league cup, texaco cup and Anglo Italian cup. Many players played over 50 games, some over 60 with Jackie Marsh playing 69. We had a decent start to the season but only won two league games in the last 26 games. It was only the decent start and several drawn games in second half of the season that prevented a relegation battle. In the league cup campaign there were 5 replays: against Man Utd (2) and West Ham (2) plus a replay against Oxford in earlier rounds. Also 3 replays in fa cup: against tranmere, Man Utd and arsenal. I’ve often wondered if that season was some kind of record in game numbers and length as the season started in June 71 with Anglo Italian cup and finished on 5th August 72 with the FA cup 3rd place play off a week before the 72/73 season started. |
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Post by Davef on Apr 26, 2024 9:03:31 GMT
Fun fact. Chelsea were knocked out of the FA Cup by Second Division Orient the week before they lost to little old us in the League Cup Final.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 26, 2024 9:13:12 GMT
They were definitely considered by the media to be hot favourites on the day, and we were definitely thought of as the underdogs from what I recall. This seemed to be based more on reputation and the fact that we were thought of as unfashionable club rather than results on the pitch. Wouldn't you say? Though I suppose Chelsea had recently won the FA Cup and the Cup Winners Cup which had raised their profile too. Looking forward to your next post. They were so cocky in the final. Hollins tried to score by attempting to lob Banksie from the kick off. Looking back at the final, Alan Hudson was their best player by a mile. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 26, 2024 12:12:16 GMT
We pipped them to the 2nd Div title too in 62/63.
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Post by lordb on Apr 26, 2024 12:47:19 GMT
We pipped them to the 2nd Div title too in 62/63. By winning at Stamford Bridge think Jimmy McIlroy scored? Waddo couldn't watch & went inside the stand with about 30 minutes to go |
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 26, 2024 13:10:01 GMT
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Post by onionman on Apr 26, 2024 13:48:03 GMT
Oxford and Swindon have won that cup and we’re the bigger shock. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 26, 2024 13:52:09 GMT
Oxford and Swindon have won that cup and we’re the bigger shock. Sheff Weds also |
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Post by march4 on Apr 26, 2024 14:04:19 GMT
Just to compare the two club's records.
By 1972, Chelsea had been in the top division since 1930 with just the one season break in 1962/63 (when we beat them to the title). In the seasons following their promotion up to the 1972 League Cup Final they never finished lower than 9th and finished 3rd twice and 5th thrice. They won the League Cup in 1965 and the FA Cup in 1970. They were losing FA Cup finalists in 1967 and semi-finalists in the two preceding seasons. They won the Cup Winners' Cup in 1971. However, following the 1972 League Cup Final, their fortunes waned rapidly as ours soared. They were relegated in 1975 and made little impression on the cups until the 1980s. Also, following promotion, their average attendances were over 30,000 for every season up to 1972. Although they had won the league in the mid-50s, the 10 year period after promotion in the 60s was the most successful decade in their history before the Abramovich era.
Looking at the previous 10 years before 1972, I can see the temptation to say that Chelsea should have won but when you look at both club's fortunes after the final, you could argue Stoke were a club on the rise whereas Chelsea were at the start of a rapid decline. Therefore, Stoke's victory was not such a surprise.
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