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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2024 8:24:57 GMT
Not looking for Schumacher or Walters to have in depth knowledge of foreign markets That's down to scouting, data basis, good relationships with good agents and a good replacement for Jared As we don't know who that is yet we can't say Well we can have our suspicions as to the type of HoR we’ll end up with. The noises around older domestic players are certainly at odds with what fishlovesoatcakes led us to believe was Schu’s favoured recruitment profile. Suggests to me him and Walters aren’t on the same page and it’s Walters who has the clout. Just another example of JC being all over the place when it comes to strategy. Noises? You mean rumours? We have probably recruited more players over the last five years than any other club so if any player is considered Championship level our name will get tossed into the pot because we sign so many so there is a better chance of getting it right. We also seem to still bear the reputation from our Pulis days so any big centre half or striker gets linked with us as our sort of player. I noticed a Norwich fan asking the other day why that full back would want to come here when we just hoof the ball forward so he won't be in the game as he's better at attacking than defending. How about we wait and see who is appointed as HoR and which players we sign. As the Sentinel says recruiting foreign players is more about having good scouts abroad and connections with agents rather than a HoR who travels the world watching games. I would imagine there is more than Dublin who can sit in an office analysing data and drawing up lists. It would be interesting to know if Jared had to leave the lists he had drawn up for us here. I imagine he did. In which case we will already have the list of targets and identified our choices. Even if he took them away I'm certain that they had been discussed and targets identified. Work will already be underway, discussing with agents and contacting clubs. Jared had nothing to do with negotiations and the bulk of his work for this summer had already been done.
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Post by emretezzy on May 22, 2024 8:43:45 GMT
Not the way it came across in his interview broadcast last night by Radio Stoke Everyone jumping on these links to the likes of Rodriguez and taking that as Walters will want 30+ grizzled pro's and that's just because he played for Pulis. So much conclusion jumping on here lately. I could say he might go totally down the foreign route because he saw the success of Arnie, N'Zonzi etc. It's all based on wild guesswork. Like I said above, despite all the noises of these older pro's we've signed one so far, aged 25 and was literally everyone on here's no.1 or no.2 target for a keeper. If the Sam McCallum link is true too, that's another added who is 23/24. The knicker wetting based on absolutely fuck all is mental. Spot on. Look at the starters next year who are nailed on. They are all 25 or less really. Tchmaedau Johanssen New LB if he signs Bae Million Cundle if he signs Burger if he stays That's 7 players averaging around 23.
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Post by etebojan on May 22, 2024 9:02:31 GMT
Everyone jumping on these links to the likes of Rodriguez and taking that as Walters will want 30+ grizzled pro's and that's just because he played for Pulis. So much conclusion jumping on here lately. I could say he might go totally down the foreign route because he saw the success of Arnie, N'Zonzi etc. It's all based on wild guesswork. Like I said above, despite all the noises of these older pro's we've signed one so far, aged 25 and was literally everyone on here's no.1 or no.2 target for a keeper. If the Sam McCallum link is true too, that's another added who is 23/24. The knicker wetting based on absolutely fuck all is mental. Spot on. Look at the starters next year who are nailed on. They are all 25 or less really. Tchmaedau Johanssen New LB if he signs Bae Million Cundle if he signs Burger if he stays That's 7 players averaging around 23. Absolutely, and it does help to have a few experienced heads/older campaigners to complement the young exciting talent to get out of this league i think thats all we're trying to do as long as they're not crocked, i think we were all by and large impressed with Jags and he was ancient comparatively. Villa's promotion season squad 2018/19, had a sprinkling of older heads including Whelan at aged 35 at the time and James Chester who was 29/30 I think its an entirely sensible recruitment strategy
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Post by premieraj on May 22, 2024 9:05:10 GMT
Spot on. Look at the starters next year who are nailed on. They are all 25 or less really. Tchmaedau Johanssen New LB if he signs Bae Million Cundle if he signs Burger if he stays That's 7 players averaging around 23. Absolutely, and it does help to have a few experienced heads/older campaigners to complement the young exciting talent to get out of this league i think thats all we're trying to do as long as they're not crocked, i think we were all by and large impressed with Jags and he was ancient comparatively. Villa's promotion season squad 2018/19, had a sprinkling of older heads including Whelan at aged 35 at the time and James Chester who was 29/30 I think its an entirely sensible recruitment strategy I find it interesting and ironic that some posters talk about not jumping to what may happen and then post a team above that has three or four maybes in lol 😂.
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Post by hd51 on May 22, 2024 9:40:20 GMT
Joel Kim the Korean National team journalist seems to think that we are after Kwon Hyeok-Kyu who's currently at St Mirren (on loan from Celtic). Don't know anything about him but he suggests he's very similar to Burger. After looking at his stats this doesn't really seem true as he has a lot less contributions.
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Post by LGH87 on May 22, 2024 9:42:41 GMT
Joel Kim the Korean National team journalist seems to think that we are after Kwon Hyeok-Kyu who's currently at St Mirren (on loan from Celtic). Don't know anything about him but he suggests he's very similar to Burger. After looking at his stats this doesn't really seem true as he has a lot less contributions. He's based that off the rumour from last week that we've been to watch him a few times. I think that actually started on here then some stoke fans tweeted him about it.
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Post by etebojan on May 22, 2024 9:49:33 GMT
Joel Kim the Korean National team journalist seems to think that we are after Kwon Hyeok-Kyu who's currently at St Mirren (on loan from Celtic). Don't know anything about him but he suggests he's very similar to Burger. After looking at his stats this doesn't really seem true as he has a lot less contributions. He's based that off the rumour from last week that we've been to watch him a few times. I think that actually started on here then some stoke fans tweeted him about it. Think Bae knows him i might have seen an Insta post with them together
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Post by baconburger on May 22, 2024 9:50:33 GMT
Spot on. Look at the starters next year who are nailed on. They are all 25 or less really. Tchmaedau Johanssen New LB if he signs Bae Million Cundle if he signs Burger if he stays That's 7 players averaging around 23. Absolutely, and it does help to have a few experienced heads/older campaigners to complement the young exciting talent to get out of this league i think thats all we're trying to do as long as they're not crocked, i think we were all by and large impressed with Jags and he was ancient comparatively. Villa's promotion season squad 2018/19, had a sprinkling of older heads including Whelan at aged 35 at the time and James Chester who was 29/30 I think its an entirely sensible recruitment strategy Speak for yourself I thought Jags was a liability who got outpaced, bullied and made as many fuck ups as the younger players and didn’t get anything like the level of criticism he deserved because of his prior career “he played for England you know”
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Post by TheDee51 on May 22, 2024 9:55:52 GMT
Not the way it came across in his interview broadcast last night by Radio Stoke Everyone jumping on these links to the likes of Rodriguez and taking that as Walters will want 30+ grizzled pro's and that's just because he played for Pulis. So much conclusion jumping on here lately. I could say he might go totally down the foreign route because he saw the success of Arnie, N'Zonzi etc. It's all based on wild guesswork. Like I said above, despite all the noises of these older pro's we've signed one so far, aged 25 and was literally everyone on here's no.1 or no.2 target for a keeper. If the Sam McCallum link is true too, that's another added who is 23/24. The knicker wetting based on absolutely fuck all is mental. Well said LGH. It makes me laugh all this speculation. Yesterday Rodriguez was dismissed as shit before anything concrete was even reported. Then it came out that Burnley had offered him a new deal and I saw someone post 'another one that's slipped through'.
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Post by etebojan on May 22, 2024 9:58:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 22, 2024 10:06:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv I genuinely hope not regarding Haks. The biggest let down of the season for me was him and lack of any real genuine threat/final output.
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Post by cyprus1stokey on May 22, 2024 10:58:44 GMT
Very good interview, seems a genuine bloke, I like him.
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2024 11:01:57 GMT
Not looking for Schumacher or Walters to have in depth knowledge of foreign markets That's down to scouting, data basis, good relationships with good agents and a good replacement for Jared As we don't know who that is yet we can't say Well we can have our suspicions as to the type of HoR we’ll end up with. The noises around older domestic players are certainly at odds with what fishlovesoatcakes led us to believe was Schu’s favoured recruitment profile. Suggests to me him and Walters aren’t on the same page and it’s Walters who has the clout. Just another example of JC being all over the place when it comes to strategy. 'suspicions' meaningless! this place is the more paranoid than a KGB reunion
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Post by bertiestan on May 22, 2024 11:17:34 GMT
Well we can have our suspicions as to the type of HoR we’ll end up with. The noises around older domestic players are certainly at odds with what fishlovesoatcakes led us to believe was Schu’s favoured recruitment profile. Suggests to me him and Walters aren’t on the same page and it’s Walters who has the clout. Just another example of JC being all over the place when it comes to strategy. 'suspicions' meaningless! this place is the more paranoid than a KGB reunion 😂😂😂😂
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Post by chamberlain on May 22, 2024 11:22:36 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv I saw absolutely nothing in Haks .
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Post by noustie on May 22, 2024 11:34:41 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv There's defo a player in there and there's flashes he could rip the piss at this level. However, it's always been very fleeting and whether we can get it out of him on a consistent basis over the slog of a season is probably the big question.
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Post by J-Roar on May 22, 2024 11:39:02 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv There's defo a player in there and there's flashes he could rip the piss at this level. However, it's always been very fleeting and whether we can get it out of him on a consistent basis over the slog of a season is probably the big question. He didn't look like he wanted to be here in the slightest
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Post by LGH87 on May 22, 2024 11:39:39 GMT
I'd rather we tried to get Mikey Johnston. He may have benefitted from an early goal and the confidence that brought though because I know Celtic fans who said he was shit when he went to West Brom.
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Post by Biblical on May 22, 2024 12:53:09 GMT
Not looking for Schumacher or Walters to have in depth knowledge of foreign markets That's down to scouting, data basis, good relationships with good agents and a good replacement for Jared As we don't know who that is yet we can't say Well we can have our suspicions as to the type of HoR we’ll end up with. The noises around older domestic players are certainly at odds with what fishlovesoatcakes led us to believe was Schu’s favoured recruitment profile. Suggests to me him and Walters aren’t on the same page and it’s Walters who has the clout. Just another example of JC being all over the place when it comes to strategy. You always needs a mixture of youth and experience and I don’t think being linked with a few older players means that people at the club aren’t on the same page. Young players with any modicum of talent, particularly of the type we want generally don’t come cheap and we’ve got to cut our cloth accordingly. Didn’t we pay something like £1.2m last summer for Jojic who hasn’t even close to making the first team? Ideally we’d spend loads of money and get loads of talented youngsters but that’s just not the reality of our situation is it.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 22, 2024 12:58:16 GMT
Well we can have our suspicions as to the type of HoR we’ll end up with. The noises around older domestic players are certainly at odds with what fishlovesoatcakes led us to believe was Schu’s favoured recruitment profile. Suggests to me him and Walters aren’t on the same page and it’s Walters who has the clout. Just another example of JC being all over the place when it comes to strategy. You always needs a mixture of youth and experience and I don’t think being linked with a few older players means that people at the club aren’t on the same page. Young players with any modicum of talent, particularly of the type we want generally don’t come cheap and we’ve got to cut our cloth accordingly. Didn’t we pay something like £1.2m last summer for Jojic who hasn’t even close to making the first team? Ideally we’d spend loads of money and get loads of talented youngsters but that’s just not the reality of our situation is it. We keep hearing the young hungry players thing on here but often the younger players don't hack it at this level
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Post by sportsman on May 22, 2024 13:01:26 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv I saw absolutely nothing in Haks . I did in training videos. Chopping and turning looked really tricky player
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 22, 2024 13:15:13 GMT
Well we can have our suspicions as to the type of HoR we’ll end up with. The noises around older domestic players are certainly at odds with what fishlovesoatcakes led us to believe was Schu’s favoured recruitment profile. Suggests to me him and Walters aren’t on the same page and it’s Walters who has the clout. Just another example of JC being all over the place when it comes to strategy. That's all they are though, noises. We've signed one player up to yet, aged 25. Yep Just the usual internet links One singing to date is a good age
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Post by chamberlain on May 22, 2024 13:16:38 GMT
I saw absolutely nothing in Haks . I did in training videos. Chopping and turning looked really tricky player Absolutely no help to us in a match day situation though
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Post by etebojan on May 22, 2024 13:18:56 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv There's defo a player in there and there's flashes he could rip the piss at this level. However, it's always been very fleeting and whether we can get it out of him on a consistent basis over the slog of a season is probably the big question. Yes think thats my feeling on it too, he'd be a gamble. Just thought it was interesting that he'd been singled out by Schuey for praise of sorts out of the loanees, made me wonder whether he's in SS thoughts. Wondering if he was fully fit.. that he's got that close ball control and bit of that flair that could dovetail in with the way cundle, bae and million were linking up in the last few games. He was clearly carrying an injury and probably massively lacking in confidence (missed a few sitters), wonder given a pre-season and a run of appearances off the bench he might do a Cundle and suddenly be tearing it up.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 22, 2024 13:19:24 GMT
I can’t see how Burger gets near the Spurs team tbh.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2024 13:21:56 GMT
You always needs a mixture of youth and experience and I don’t think being linked with a few older players means that people at the club aren’t on the same page. Young players with any modicum of talent, particularly of the type we want generally don’t come cheap and we’ve got to cut our cloth accordingly. Didn’t we pay something like £1.2m last summer for Jojic who hasn’t even close to making the first team? Ideally we’d spend loads of money and get loads of talented youngsters but that’s just not the reality of our situation is it. We keep hearing the young hungry players thing on here but often the younger players don't hack it at this level I think that “young players” need to be around 21-23 to be likely to be effective at the beginning of their time at Stoke. There are exceptions (Bae included) but there are not that many 18-19 year olds that are at a level needed for Stoke while also being in our price range. Personally, I want youth in more dynamic positions (wide players, attacking midfield, full backs). After that, I’d rather see us try to look for more established players (25-28) and a couple of older players to fill in when necessary.
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Post by baystokie on May 22, 2024 14:22:45 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0htbcn3Interesting listening to Schuey on Radio Stoke As well as the expected star players Burger Bae etc... he gave a shout out to Haks being an incredibly talented player, and that he was sorry to have not been able to see the best of him as he was carrying an injury for the entire second half of the season. Wonder if we might go back in for him, i know he definitely divides opinion and didn't rip up any trees...but saw a few little bits to show that when fully fit and with a run of games he could have a bit of something about him for a squad option...for the right price obv I saw absolutely nothing in Haks . That's why you're not a professional manager?
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Post by chamberlain on May 22, 2024 14:30:15 GMT
I saw absolutely nothing in Haks . That's why you're not a professional manager? Did you ?
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Post by baystokie on May 22, 2024 14:33:24 GMT
That's why you're not a professional manager? Did you ? No - but then neither am I an experienced manager, which is why I leave judgements to those who are.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2024 14:37:17 GMT
No - but then neither am I an experienced manager, which is why I leave judgements to those who are. You can have an opinion on a player in every aspect of their game without having done all your badges and 20 years champions league experience?
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