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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 8:46:17 GMT
Just noticed Walters played with Gibson at Burnley and they follow each other on instagram. Just out of interest, is there anyone remotely recruitment based or 'suit based' currently that he follows? Assuming he follows Huth of course but is there anyone else that might be interesting to replace Jared in his DMs?
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Post by st13stokie on May 21, 2024 8:47:37 GMT
www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/burnley-middlesbrough-ben-gibson-news-17740954' Ben Gibson is an unbelievable professional, Burnley have made a mess of this situation' - Jon Walters"I'll start with the fact that Ben is an unbelievable professional by the way. He joined Burnley for about £15million from Middlesbrough and he was in and around the England squad at the time," he told BBC 5Live. "He just hasn't played. He trained unbelievably well every single day. He is so professional outside of the club and he is constantly doing things to keep himself on top. Great signing in my opinion. 👍
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Post by LphPotter on May 21, 2024 8:50:10 GMT
Have never really rated Gibson, but he must be doing something right to have played 40 games for a play off side. He’s also left footed but not exactly one you’d say properly suits Schumachers system, similar to Coady really.
Getting one of Coady and Gibson and then a younger quicker cb as well would be ideal. Wouldn’t be bringing both in though.
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Post by premieraj on May 21, 2024 8:51:49 GMT
www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/burnley-middlesbrough-ben-gibson-news-17740954' Ben Gibson is an unbelievable professional, Burnley have made a mess of this situation' - Jon Walters"I'll start with the fact that Ben is an unbelievable professional by the way. He joined Burnley for about £15million from Middlesbrough and he was in and around the England squad at the time," he told BBC 5Live. "He just hasn't played. He trained unbelievably well every single day. He is so professional outside of the club and he is constantly doing things to keep himself on top. Very mixed views on the Norwich board and on balance glad he’s gone. Always a decent pointer isn’t it? He maybe though better than what we have?
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Post by Northy on May 21, 2024 8:55:33 GMT
Maybe bridging a gap until the likes of Dixon, Tezgel and Sidibe can step up ? That’s one way of spinning it I suppose. I truly hoped we’d moved away from it espescially with stuff fish said when Schu was appointed. I can’t see this being what he wants at all. No doubt he’ll be the one who ends up carrying the can if it doesn’t work. I'm not a spinner, just a practicable thought, maybe not giving out too long of contracts to others who may be in the way in a couple of years time, or may not be good enough for the PL ?
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Post by Northy on May 21, 2024 9:02:59 GMT
I’m surprised that people are jumping to the conclusion that Dublin has been removed or sacked by the club? Stoke released an end of season interview with Schumacher on Friday in which he named Dublin as part of the recruitment team moving forward. This, and the fact that his job has since been advertised would suggest to me that Dublin has resigned and left of his own accord. Surely, if Walters wanted him gone he would have simply removed him when he was appointed back in March and given himself ample time to find a replacement? You're surprised that people on here jump to conclusions?
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 9:42:05 GMT
I’m surprised that people are jumping to the conclusion that Dublin has been removed or sacked by the club? Stoke released an end of season interview with Schumacher on Friday in which he named Dublin as part of the recruitment team moving forward. This, and the fact that his job has since been advertised would suggest to me that Dublin has resigned and left of his own accord. Surely, if Walters wanted him gone he would have simply removed him when he was appointed back in March and given himself ample time to find a replacement? You're surprised that people on here jump to conclusions? Simple you either give people the information or they’ll make their own conclusions. Does anyone actually buy mutual consent? Real mutual consent wouldn’t involve payoffs which in football it invariably does and leads to a logical conclusion one party wanted shot of the other.
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Post by clarkeda on May 21, 2024 10:13:36 GMT
Random, infrequent tweeter Boro fan (so may know him?) suggests Gibson is joining the Norwich-Stoke Bosman train too? Of course, could well be bollocks. Fits the MO of signing anyone English over 30 though! He is at least a left footed cb and experienced leader.
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Post by george2again on May 21, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
Have never really rated Gibson, but he must be doing something right to have played 40 games for a play off side. He’s also left footed but not exactly one you’d say properly suits Schumachers system, similar to Coady really. Getting one of Coady and Gibson and then a younger quicker cb as well would be ideal. Wouldn’t be bringing both in though. Bang on. Perhaps if we get McCallum on a free we may be able to afford Coady, but if we have to fork out for a left back then Gibson would balance the books better.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 21, 2024 10:22:51 GMT
Inexperienced squad? Who’s that then? Well if you assume that he’ll be within a squad containing Johansson Tchamadeu Wilmot Rose McCallum(?) Burger Bae Laurent Manhoef Mmaee Vidigal Jojic Tezgel Lowe Etc etc Whoever departs or comes in at this point, it remains that the current set of players do not have experience in a promotion winning side within the championship. There needs to be a blend between those above and those who are perhaps in twilight years but have more to offer than what’s on the pitch When you look at that squad, if you are assuming Pearson and Baker will be leaving, it is frighteningly inexperienced. I want young exciting players but I do think we will have to accept some experience, old hands are definitely needed. Personally I think Pearson will stay.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 10:30:17 GMT
Well if you assume that he’ll be within a squad containing Johansson Tchamadeu Wilmot Rose McCallum(?) Burger Bae Laurent Manhoef Mmaee Vidigal Jojic Tezgel Lowe Etc etc Whoever departs or comes in at this point, it remains that the current set of players do not have experience in a promotion winning side within the championship. There needs to be a blend between those above and those who are perhaps in twilight years but have more to offer than what’s on the pitch When you look at that squad, if you are assuming Person and Baker will be leaving, it is frighteningly inexperienced. I want young exciting players but I do think we will have to accept some experience, old hands are definitely needed. Personally I think Pearson will stay. Why how many inexperienced players do you think we have. They don’t have to be old to have plenty of experience. Don’t really want more than 1 thirty something on the pitch at any time. Let’s be honest I don’t really want any but we’ve already committed to Stevens for another year.
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Post by theteacher on May 21, 2024 10:30:54 GMT
Random, infrequent tweeter Boro fan (so may know him?) suggests Gibson is joining the Norwich-Stoke Bosman train too? Of course, could well be bollocks. Fits the MO of signing anyone English over 30 though! Him or Coady is fine. Both is 🤮 Nephew of the Middlesbrough owner too.
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Post by hd51 on May 21, 2024 10:34:04 GMT
When you look at that squad, if you are assuming Person and Baker will be leaving, it is frighteningly inexperienced. I want young exciting players but I do think we will have to accept some experience, old hands are definitely needed. Personally I think Pearson will stay. Why how many inexperienced players do you think we have. They don’t have to be old to have plenty of experience. Don’t really want more than 1 thirty something on the pitch at any time. Let’s be honest I don’t really want any but we’ve already committed to Stevens for another year. I completely agree. If you look at Leicester they mainly had 1/2 players in the starting 11 that were aged 30 or over (Vestergaard and Vardy) and even then Vardy was rotated throughout the season. We should be looking at 24-28 year olds as the 'experienced leaders'
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Post by nottsover60 on May 21, 2024 10:43:16 GMT
When you look at that squad, if you are assuming Person and Baker will be leaving, it is frighteningly inexperienced. I want young exciting players but I do think we will have to accept some experience, old hands are definitely needed. Personally I think Pearson will stay. Why how many inexperienced players do you think we have. They don’t have to be old to have plenty of experience. Don’t really want more than 1 thirty something on the pitch at any time. Let’s be honest I don’t really want any but we’ve already committed to Stevens for another year. Let's ask the reverse, who outside of Stevens and perhaps Laurent would you say is experienced? I agree you don't have to be old to be experienced but you do need to have been in the different situations you may experience. Assuming we want to be pushing for the playoffs which players have experienced that? Burger picked up too many bookings last season because he got frustrated at refereeing decisions - lack of experience. Players made stupid decisions both in defence and attack not because they haven't the ability but because of inexperience. We gave away free kicks in dangerous situations because we didn't have the experience to know that the forward will be looking for an opportunity to go down over a leg we put out or a little hand in the back or tug of the shirt. The reason we did well with Stevens in the team was that he remained cool under pressure which comes with experience.
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Post by hd51 on May 21, 2024 10:50:38 GMT
Why how many inexperienced players do you think we have. They don’t have to be old to have plenty of experience. Don’t really want more than 1 thirty something on the pitch at any time. Let’s be honest I don’t really want any but we’ve already committed to Stevens for another year. Let's ask the reverse, who outside of Stevens and perhaps Laurent would you say is experienced? I agree you don't have to be old to be experienced but you do need to have been in the different situations you may experience. Assuming we want to be pushing for the playoffs which players have experienced that? Burger picked up too many bookings last season because he got frustrated at refereeing decisions - lack of experience. Players made stupid decisions both in defence and attack not because they haven't the ability but because of inexperience. We gave away free kicks in dangerous situations because we didn't have the experience to know that the forward will be looking for an opportunity to go down over a leg we put out or a little hand in the back or tug of the shirt. The reason we did well with Stevens in the team was that he remained cool under pressure which comes with experience. I actually think we have quite a few 'Experienced players' This isn't me saying that they are good just experienced. The likes of Wilmot, Rose, Baker, Thompson, Laurent, Pearson and Stevens. Add that to the likes of Viktor and McCallum (If he signs) that means there are a few people in our squad that know what the championship is like to play in. I do think an experienced free agent CB and maybe midfielder is needed (if Baker goes)
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Post by acstokie on May 21, 2024 10:56:59 GMT
Why how many inexperienced players do you think we have. They don’t have to be old to have plenty of experience. Don’t really want more than 1 thirty something on the pitch at any time. Let’s be honest I don’t really want any but we’ve already committed to Stevens for another year. I completely agree. If you look at Leicester they mainly had 1/2 players in the starting 11 that were aged 30 or over (Vestergaard and Vardy) and even then Vardy was rotated throughout the season. We should be looking at 24-28 year olds as the 'experienced leaders' Of the 11 that appeared the most for Leicester last season they had 3 over 30, Ipswich also had 3. We had 0. I get sick of this clamour for young foreign players all the time. We need some sparkle and flair in the team for sure, and I think we have it in the likes of Junho and Manhoef for next season. I would like to see 1 or 2 more flair players as well, but at the same time we have to have some older experienced heads in there, particularly at centre back.
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Post by mickstupp on May 21, 2024 11:09:10 GMT
I completely agree. If you look at Leicester they mainly had 1/2 players in the starting 11 that were aged 30 or over (Vestergaard and Vardy) and even then Vardy was rotated throughout the season. We should be looking at 24-28 year olds as the 'experienced leaders' Of the 11 that appeared the most for Leicester last season they had 3 over 30, Ipswich also had 3. We had 0. I get sick of this clamour for young foreign players all the time. We need some sparkle and flair in the team for sure, and I think we have it in the likes of Junho and Manhoef for next season. I would like to see 1 or 2 more flair players as well, but at the same time we have to have some older experienced heads in there, particularly at centre back. I agree with you, and I’ve found the following stats on line to back up what you are saying: “The average age of promoted teams in the Championship is 24.7 years old, with an average squad size of 30. The squad is made up of 36% players in their prime years (24–28), 35% younger talented players (19–23), and 22% older, more experienced players (29+). 44% of minutes are given to players in their prime years, while 32% are given to younger players”.
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Post by hd51 on May 21, 2024 11:10:45 GMT
Reports from Burnley are that they have offered a new contract to Rodriguez.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 11:17:16 GMT
Of the 11 that appeared the most for Leicester last season they had 3 over 30, Ipswich also had 3. We had 0. I get sick of this clamour for young foreign players all the time. We need some sparkle and flair in the team for sure, and I think we have it in the likes of Junho and Manhoef for next season. I would like to see 1 or 2 more flair players as well, but at the same time we have to have some older experienced heads in there, particularly at centre back. I agree with you, and I’ve found the following stats on line to back up what you are saying: “The average age of promoted teams in the Championship is 24.7 years old, with an average squad size of 30. The squad is made up of 36% players in their prime years (24–28), 35% younger talented players (19–23), and 22% older, more experienced players (29+). 44% of minutes are given to players in their prime years, while 32% are given to younger players”. So the 22% of older players get 26% of the minutes which shows manager coaches turn to them like some sort of security blanket like MON did with Chester and Jagielka. In which case I’m even more sure I don’t want them there to indulge this grasping for the safety blanket. It’s more of an argument against than for imo.
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Post by mickstupp on May 21, 2024 11:22:20 GMT
I agree with you, and I’ve found the following stats on line to back up what you are saying: “The average age of promoted teams in the Championship is 24.7 years old, with an average squad size of 30. The squad is made up of 36% players in their prime years (24–28), 35% younger talented players (19–23), and 22% older, more experienced players (29+). 44% of minutes are given to players in their prime years, while 32% are given to younger players”. So the 22% of older players get 26% of the minutes which shows manager coaches turn to them like some sort of security blanket like MON did with Chester and Jagielka. In which case I’m even more sure I don’t want them there to indulge this grasping for the safety blanket. It’s more of an argument against than for imo. The stats above are for promoted sides, not for teams who finish 14th.
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Post by LGH87 on May 21, 2024 11:23:11 GMT
Reports from Burnley are that they have offered a new contract to Rodriguez.
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Post by LDE76 on May 21, 2024 11:26:31 GMT
Reports from Burnley are that they have offered a new contract to Rodriguez. Weren't Jay Rod & Taylor the singers off Rainbow?
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Post by ian57 on May 21, 2024 11:38:24 GMT
Weren't Jay Rod & Taylor the singers off Rainbow? ronnie James dio,Graham bonnet and Joe lyn turner are the only ones I can remember 😁
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 11:41:04 GMT
Random, infrequent tweeter Boro fan (so may know him?) suggests Gibson is joining the Norwich-Stoke Bosman train too? Of course, could well be bollocks. Fits the MO of signing anyone English over 30 though! He is at least a left footed cb and experienced leader. I’d be fine with this. We do need a left footed center back. It just adds balance to the defence. Bringing in an experienced central defender will also stabilize Wilmot/Rose, both of whom make too many mistakes.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 12:12:45 GMT
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Post by LphPotter on May 21, 2024 12:18:38 GMT
Hope so, great player. Wonder if he’s the alternative if we can’t get Cundle or possibly even the first choice
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 12:19:19 GMT
Where would he fit in? Maybe if we don't sign Cundle?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 12:23:53 GMT
I agree with you, and I’ve found the following stats on line to back up what you are saying: “The average age of promoted teams in the Championship is 24.7 years old, with an average squad size of 30. The squad is made up of 36% players in their prime years (24–28), 35% younger talented players (19–23), and 22% older, more experienced players (29+). 44% of minutes are given to players in their prime years, while 32% are given to younger players”. So the 22% of older players get 26% of the minutes which shows manager coaches turn to them like some sort of security blanket like MON did with Chester and Jagielka. In which case I’m even more sure I don’t want them there to indulge this grasping for the safety blanket. It’s more of an argument against than for imo. A recipe for success is a reason to go in another direction? Got it.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 12:26:35 GMT
Where would he fit in? Maybe if we don't sign Cundle? Don’t quite get that. If he operates in the same areas as Cundle and Schu openly wants to play with two 8’s who’s supposed to be the other one. You could move Junho from the left and he could play there no questions asked but he’s also done really well on the Left. I don’t think any of our other players offer much in those positions so two wouldn’t be overkill. We’ve got a overload of players who could occupy the one deep lying midfield role he wants to employ.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 12:31:02 GMT
So the 22% of older players get 26% of the minutes which shows manager coaches turn to them like some sort of security blanket like MON did with Chester and Jagielka. In which case I’m even more sure I don’t want them there to indulge this grasping for the safety blanket. It’s more of an argument against than for imo. A recipe for success is a reason to go in another direction? Got it. Hey you either want older players or you don’t, I’m quite open about the fact I don’t. I wouldn’t sign many/any over 24 and would be hoping to move them on at a profit by the time they were 28.
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