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Post by delilahwhy on May 21, 2024 7:55:55 GMT
Ben Gibson there we go that’s more like it Jon. Now we’ve got Jared out who knows where our scouting could take us, we could go as far north as Sunderland and god forbid we could also look at players from the Southampton area, it’s far fetched I know but you have to be ambitious sometimes don’t you. What do you want from our centre half recruitment? A 16 year old from the Himilayas?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 21, 2024 7:56:28 GMT
Clearly the atmosphere in the background was deteriorating under Martin and Walters was brought in as a short term appointment to rally the troops (including the supporters) - which he succeeded in doing. It may have been a populatist appointment but it was hardly dumb given it actually worked. You can judge what Waters achieved in a short term job by what he acheived in the short term. And he succeeded. Whether he can succeed in a job that is inherently to do with the long term is a completely different matter and can only be judged in the medium/long term. It would be wrong for me to say Walters will succeed as permanent SD based on what he did as interim but its equally nonsense to claim he isn't up to the job when there is zero evidence of his acheivements in the job. Sorry not willing to give him much credit for how the season ended it was nothing to do with his role again that’s just populist nonsense. There’s no evidence that anything he did or said made any difference to anything and he certainly had no impact on the squad. It comes down to people liking him so seeing something that isn’t there. I’m not able to do that because I don’t like what I associate him with and didn’t think much of him as a player so for me he’s just a SD who got the job because of his name. So basically your opinion on Walters is based solely on your prejudices about him as a player and you won't even give him credit when he actually succeeds in the job he was given. Why the hell should anyone take your opinions seriously when even by your own admission you are just rehashing your prejudices and ignoring any actual real workd evidence that doesn't stack with what you have already decided?
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Post by delilahwhy on May 21, 2024 7:56:42 GMT
Starting XI for the first game of the season: Johansson Wilkinson Coady Huth Pieters Cresswell Whelan Delap Etherington Sidibe Rodriguez Fucking get it up them lads and if they’ve got a funny sounding name make sure you leave one on them early. Fucking knicker wetting on here 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by rowleyscfc on May 21, 2024 7:59:29 GMT
Might be a unpopular opinion but I felt last year there was a few games where we could of done with a older head to steady us in parts of games,
Johannson is 25 with good champ experience
McCallum 23 with over 100 games(should it get done)
If the line up looked like this
Johannson Tch Coady* Wilmot McCallum* Thompson Burger Cundle* Million Mmaee Jun ho
Average age would be 23, one of the youngest in the league
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 8:01:50 GMT
Regarding potentially signing the likes of Gibson, Coady, Rodriguez etc I think it’s important to remember that we’ve only got so much funds to use. If we bring in the likes of the above mentioned on frees and loans and use the war chest for different profile, younger signings then I think that’s fine. Also I know people are questioning the decision to get rid of Dublin but all the work will have already been done in terms of identifying potential targets so I expect him to still have had an influence over targets for this window. Just need to see what pans out but I don’t think it’s anything like as negative as to what I’m reading on here. Gibson Coady Rodriguez isn’t cheap it’s a huge chunk of wages and signing on fees and it’s all dead money. I do wonder whether Schu is on board with it it’s so different to what fishlovesoatcakes reckoned was his vision. You’re right we need to see how it pans out because non of them have signed yet but that doesn’t stop us having an opinion about the direction of travel based on the noises we are hearing. It’s pretty much the polar opposite of what I was hoping for.
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Post by potterpaul on May 21, 2024 8:03:26 GMT
And that’s exactly what it’s doing dividing the fan base along old wounds. And that’s on me!!!?? There’s a few posters on here who are taking any possible opportunity to snipe at the management. Making groundless assumptions based on pure conjecture. Then there’s the majority who are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see. It's not based on pure conjecture and the more you say it doesn't make it so. As been pointed out by various posters opinions are based on the actions taken by the owners over 6 or 7 seasons. Actions that have led to very disappointing seasons, particularly in the Championship. Personally believe that the owners have repeatedly made same errors for 9 seasons.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 21, 2024 8:03:37 GMT
Ben Gibson there we go that’s more like it Jon. Now we’ve got Jared out who knows where our scouting could take us, we could go as far north as Sunderland and god forbid we could also look at players from the Southampton area, it’s far fetched I know but you have to be ambitious sometimes don’t you. That will be the Ben Gibson who just played 34 times for a club that last season ended up in the playoffs. What the fuck has geography got to do with it?
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Post by Wizbit on May 21, 2024 8:05:57 GMT
Gibson is an upgrade no doubt... Personally I don't give a fuck where they are from as long as they improve us, that's all the recruitment narrative needs to be.... Make us better
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Post by brutus on May 21, 2024 8:07:15 GMT
Think we can kiss goodbye to the foreign market now jareds gone!
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 8:08:02 GMT
Sorry not willing to give him much credit for how the season ended it was nothing to do with his role again that’s just populist nonsense. There’s no evidence that anything he did or said made any difference to anything and he certainly had no impact on the squad. It comes down to people liking him so seeing something that isn’t there. I’m not able to do that because I don’t like what I associate him with and didn’t think much of him as a player so for me he’s just a SD who got the job because of his name. So basically your opinion on Walters is based solely on your prejudices about him as a player and you won't even give him credit when he actually succeeds in the job he was given. Why the hell should anyone take your opinions seriously when even by your own admission you are just rehashing your prejudices and ignoring any actual real workd evidence that doesn't stack with what you have already decided? There isn’t any real work evidence. The first real evidence was Positive(keeper signing) the second negative(Dublin) the noises on players we’re being linked with is imo negative. Of course I have preferences and prejudices everyone does. That won’t lead to me ignoring anything I see as positive that’s just bloody minded and I just aren’t.
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Post by senojbor on May 21, 2024 8:08:48 GMT
Cedric is out of contract with Arsenal
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 8:10:08 GMT
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 8:10:08 GMT
Think we can kiss goodbye to the foreign market now jareds gone! We could be surprised by his replacement but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 21, 2024 8:10:33 GMT
Ben Gibson there we go that’s more like it Jon. Now we’ve got Jared out who knows where our scouting could take us, we could go as far north as Sunderland and god forbid we could also look at players from the Southampton area, it’s far fetched I know but you have to be ambitious sometimes don’t you. That will be the Ben Gibson who just played 34 times for a club that last season ended up in the playoffs. What the fuck has geography got to do with it? It’s almost as if I’ve got previous for incessant sarcasm.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 8:11:59 GMT
It will be interesting to see how many 30+ players we end up with given the very low number of 30+ players Schumacher signed at Plymouth.
I remember someone speaking quite loudly on here (might have been fishy?) that we should expect plenty of sub 27 year old players during his time here.
It might point towards who is controlling the signings.
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Post by Stokester on May 21, 2024 8:13:34 GMT
If come September 1st we've see 6-7 signings of the type we saw under Rowett and Jones with a rolling succession of 28+ Champ-proven British journeymen, I think we're entitled to criticise and see the burying of Jared under the Bet365 car park was a sign of things to come. But some of that type on Bosman/loan, rather than the premium fees we were paying back then seems fine if paired up with one or two from more exotic markets and a couple more u25s. It's obvious that J-Rod would be a bench option (if there's anything in it) and not THE answer we're going to target as the main man. The striker we target as the man we hope to get us 14-15 goals will tell us a lot. Teams that do well often have some veteran British players in the squad, as well as some sexy exotic types. I remember (and was part of!) the meltdown that greeted the Enda Stevens signing, which was followed up by Junho and Burger! Exactly this, FM.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 21, 2024 8:16:38 GMT
So basically your opinion on Walters is based solely on your prejudices about him as a player and you won't even give him credit when he actually succeeds in the job he was given. Why the hell should anyone take your opinions seriously when even by your own admission you are just rehashing your prejudices and ignoring any actual real workd evidence that doesn't stack with what you have already decided? There isn’t any real work evidence. The first real evidence was Positive(keeper signing) the second negative(Dublin) the noises on players we’re being linked with is imo negative. Of course I have preferences and prejudices everyone does. That won’t lead to me ignoring anything I see as positive that’s just bloody minded and I just aren’t. Walters was brought in to rally the troops and help save the team from relegation. And he rallied the troops and we avoided relegation. He succeeded in the job he was asked to do. What he acheived as interim TD has no bearing on what he will acheive as permanent SD but I'm prepared to judge him on his actual acheivements in the role. By your own admission you are judging Walters ability as a permanent SD on his playing career and association with the Pulus era. That isn't being bloody minded that's just blind prejudice.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on May 21, 2024 8:17:13 GMT
Gibson, a well experienced left footed centre half, 31 years old on a free would be a good signing. Would definitely be a good addition to our centre half pool which currently consists of Wilmot and Rose. Personally I would prefer him than Coady on loan.
Sam McCallum sounds a decent addition on a free transfer.An attacking fullback which fits in with managers style and At a really good age and already with plenty of championship experience. With Stevens as back up would give us a nice balance and options on the left without spending much cash which needs saving for a quality striker. Certainly would look on paper much stronger than last year at left back.
Rodriguez I would hope we stay well clear of. 35 is simply too old and we don’t need any squad fillers up front (Unless Mmaee and Ennis both go)
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 21, 2024 8:18:29 GMT
That will be the Ben Gibson who just played 34 times for a club that last season ended up in the playoffs. What the fuck has geography got to do with it? It’s almost as if I’ve got previous for incessant sarcasm. Whoosh...hats off sir...
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 21, 2024 8:25:21 GMT
And that’s exactly what it’s doing dividing the fan base along old wounds. And that’s on me!!!?? There’s a few posters on here who are taking any possible opportunity to snipe at the management. Making groundless assumptions based on pure conjecture. Then there’s the majority who are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see. I don’t think you can deny that on paper it looks a terrible decision. People are bound to want to discuss how they feel about it here and now.
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Post by st13stokie on May 21, 2024 8:29:05 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Gibson & Coady would massively improve us and make us at least a solid side again. Both massively experienced. Probably not fast or got the legs as they used to but look at Huth once he left us. I’m all for signing both tbh. I don’t think the best CH at this level will jump ship this early as they will be waiting for Prem interest or guaranteed promotion push sides. Which sadly we can’t guarantee yet. Spending zero to minor signing on fees for 2 solid defenders is good for us. We’re not exactly the most exotic option right now in this league but shows we still have pulling power. In SJW I trust.
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Post by mickstupp on May 21, 2024 8:29:24 GMT
I’m surprised that people are jumping to the conclusion that Dublin has been removed or sacked by the club?
Stoke released an end of season interview with Schumacher on Friday in which he named Dublin as part of the recruitment team moving forward. This, and the fact that his job has since been advertised would suggest to me that Dublin has resigned unexpectedly and left of his own accord. Surely, if Walters wanted him gone he would have simply removed him when he was appointed back in March and given himself ample time to find a replacement?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 21, 2024 8:29:55 GMT
And that’s on me!!!?? There’s a few posters on here who are taking any possible opportunity to snipe at the management. Making groundless assumptions based on pure conjecture. Then there’s the majority who are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see. It's not based on pure conjecture and the more you say it doesn't make it so. As been pointed out by various posters opinions are based on the actions taken by the owners over 6 or 7 seasons. Actions that have led to very disappointing seasons, particularly in the Championship. Personally believe that the owners have repeatedly made same errors for 9 seasons. Until recently the owners have repeated the same mistake of appointing a god manager who subsequently proved the job was too big for one man while the rest of the footballing world cracked on with modernising the backroom and dividing up responsibilities to provide better focus and specialisation. The owners have made a complete pig's ear of moving to a more modern structure and it may not work out but at least it isn't just doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. May as well at least see how it pans out rather than just assume the worst especially as it isn't just rinse and repeat.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 8:31:01 GMT
Just noticed Walters played with Gibson at Burnley and they follow each other on instagram.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 21, 2024 8:33:15 GMT
In thinking about how much of a has-been Gibson may or may not be, I think it's interesting that he played 2,871 minutes last season, the second most that he has ever played. His stats over the last 365 days relative to other centre backs in the league paint a slightly different picture to what Norwich supporters seem to think, though. fbref.com/en/players/bcfb0142/scout/365_m2/Ben-Gibson-Scouting-ReportAt a glance, he seems a but of a sideways and back merchant who isn't especially dominant in defence. Then again, is it true that Norwich's style of play this season has been fairly dull and attritional? I've no idea, but maybe it reflects how Norwich set themselves up. If you look at his numbers for the Norwich side that won the league in 2020/21, it's a different story. He seems like a player who really starts attacks from the back by making forward passes and carrying the ball forwards, which I would think really appeals to Schumacher. A bit weird that he never makes tackles (even if he wins 92% of them) and is rubbish at winning headers, though. All in all, I'm not sure what I think of him. We do need new centre backs and we do need winners with high standards, so maybe he fits the bill.
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Post by hd51 on May 21, 2024 8:35:06 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Gibson & Coady would massively improve us and make us at least a solid side again. Both massively experienced. Probably not fast or got the legs as they used to but look at Huth once he left us. I’m all for signing both tbh. I don’t think the best CH at this level will jump ship this early as they will be waiting for Prem interest or guaranteed promotion push sides. Which sadly we can’t guarantee yet. Spending zero to minor signing on fees for 2 solid defenders is good for us. We’re not exactly the most exotic option right now in this league but shows we still have pulling power. In SJW I trust. I Personally really like the idea of exploring the free transfer market more. Last season I felt that we didn't do this that well. Personally I think we only need one out of coady and Gibson and then pursue a younger CB later on in the window when people become available.
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Post by idle on May 21, 2024 8:40:37 GMT
Gibson is a much better signing than Coady, as he's actually played regularly.
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Post by st13stokie on May 21, 2024 8:41:21 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Gibson & Coady would massively improve us and make us at least a solid side again. Both massively experienced. Probably not fast or got the legs as they used to but look at Huth once he left us. I’m all for signing both tbh. I don’t think the best CH at this level will jump ship this early as they will be waiting for Prem interest or guaranteed promotion push sides. Which sadly we can’t guarantee yet. Spending zero to minor signing on fees for 2 solid defenders is good for us. We’re not exactly the most exotic option right now in this league but shows we still have pulling power. In SJW I trust. I Personally really like the idea of exploring the free transfer market more. Last season I felt that we didn't do this that well. Personally I think we only need one out of coady and Gibson and then pursue a younger CB later on in the window when people become available. Yes maybe you’re right. These players were linked with are probably in the top tier of free transfers available in desired position. If we add one and then sign a younger potential or even a quality prem loan which I suspect maybe the option. We’re on the right tracks. Priority is obviously a quality striker which the budget we’ve got is needed for.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 8:44:05 GMT
There isn’t any real work evidence. The first real evidence was Positive(keeper signing) the second negative(Dublin) the noises on players we’re being linked with is imo negative. Of course I have preferences and prejudices everyone does. That won’t lead to me ignoring anything I see as positive that’s just bloody minded and I just aren’t. Walters was brought in to rally the troops and help save the team from relegation. And he rallied the troops and we avoided relegation. He succeeded in the job he was asked to do. What he acheived as interim TD has no bearing on what he will acheive as permanent SD but I'm prepared to judge him on his actual acheivements in the role. By your own admission you are judging Walters ability as a permanent SD on his playing career and association with the Pulus era. That isn't being bloody minded that's just blind prejudice. Everyone has their prejudices this just follows the fault lines of the majority of debates within society of progressive vs conservative views. As in most other things we’re steadily hardening our positions and moving further and further apart from any consensus. I’ve never been a fan of Walters but will judge him on his actions individually. I just don’t agree with all the rally the troops bollocks or that it had any significant impact on our season I think that’s only there for someone desperate to see it.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 8:44:55 GMT
www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/burnley-middlesbrough-ben-gibson-news-17740954' Ben Gibson is an unbelievable professional, Burnley have made a mess of this situation' - Jon Walters"I'll start with the fact that Ben is an unbelievable professional by the way. He joined Burnley for about £15million from Middlesbrough and he was in and around the England squad at the time," he told BBC 5Live. "He just hasn't played. He trained unbelievably well every single day. He is so professional outside of the club and he is constantly doing things to keep himself on top.
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