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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 7:12:51 GMT
Random, infrequent tweeter Boro fan (so may know him?) suggests Gibson is joining the Norwich-Stoke Bosman train too? Of course, could well be bollocks. Fits the MO of signing anyone English over 30 though! Do we have to guess who he is or are we meant to recognise him. It's in the tweet. Ben Gibson
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 7:14:40 GMT
Do we have to guess who he is or are we meant to recognise him. It's in the tweet. Ben Gibson Ah ok, I don’t really get twitter/x.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 7:15:59 GMT
Random, infrequent tweeter Boro fan (so may know him?) suggests Gibson is joining the Norwich-Stoke Bosman train too? Of course, could well be bollocks. Fits the MO of signing anyone English over 30 though! Him or Coady is fine. Both is 🤮 These Norwich fans like both McCallum "could well end up biting us on the arse" and Gibson "on high wages. He has the ability to play under a manager who can play out. Very good passer. Sad to see him go, Maybe wants to move up north again. Goes with my best wishes.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 21, 2024 7:17:44 GMT
TD/SD is a long term appointment - the only way you can make a judgement on one within six months of their appointment (unless things immediately go tits up - which they haven't) is to reel off your preconceptions and prejudices. Not saying it will either work or it won’t but there just wasn’t any basis for the appointment whatsoever. Even when we’ve taken a punt on manager/hc they’ve got some sort of track record. This appointment was made because it would be popular with a section of the fan base dumbed down populism. Clearly the atmosphere in the background was deteriorating under Martin and Walters was brought in as a short term appointment to rally the troops (including the supporters) - which he succeeded in doing. It may have been a populatist appointment but it was hardly dumb given it actually worked. You can judge what Waters achieved in a short term job by what he acheived in the short term. And he succeeded. Whether he can succeed in a job that is inherently to do with the long term is a completely different matter and can only be judged in the medium/long term. It would be wrong for me to say Walters will succeed as permanent SD based on what he did as interim but its equally nonsense to claim he isn't up to the job when there is zero evidence of his acheivements in the job.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 7:19:19 GMT
Last pre-season it felt like the transfer policy was to build for the medium/long term. This time round with the speculation around Coady and Rodriguez it feels the thinking is much more short term - bringing in players who might not be round for long to have a tilt at promotion this coming season. Maybe bridging a gap until the likes of Dixon, Tezgel and Sidibe can step up ? That’s one way of spinning it I suppose. I truly hoped we’d moved away from it espescially with stuff fish said when Schu was appointed. I can’t see this being what he wants at all. No doubt he’ll be the one who ends up carrying the can if it doesn’t work.
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Post by RF10 on May 21, 2024 7:20:09 GMT
Yeah having read their thread about McCallum leaving most of them and a seen bit disappointed about decision. He seems to have improved a lot last year and Wagner wanted him to stay from an interview in April.
They talk about him being an attacking left back more so than defending which is one point they say he could be better at but with the right coaching is capable and some out blame to managers system causing the issue. A few mention he's not the quickest though.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 21, 2024 7:21:48 GMT
Gibson is a left sided centre back isn't he ?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 21, 2024 7:24:30 GMT
Ben Gibson there we go that’s more like it Jon.
Now we’ve got Jared out who knows where our scouting could take us, we could go as far north as Sunderland and god forbid we could also look at players from the Southampton area, it’s far fetched I know but you have to be ambitious sometimes don’t you.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 21, 2024 7:25:51 GMT
PS Our first signing is a Swedish bloke. From Rotherham. Not exactly unearthing a hidden gem in a foreign market, is it? Ah ok. Foreign players only count if they’re signed from some obscure far flung league and don’t have any experience of this country or league? I’m getting the hang of this.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 7:26:20 GMT
Not saying it will either work or it won’t but there just wasn’t any basis for the appointment whatsoever. Even when we’ve taken a punt on manager/hc they’ve got some sort of track record. This appointment was made because it would be popular with a section of the fan base dumbed down populism. Clearly the atmosphere in the background was deteriorating under Martin and Walters was brought in as a short term appointment to rally the troops (including the supporters) - which he succeeded in doing. It may have been a populatist appointment but it was hardly dumb given it actually worked. You can judge what Waters achieved in a short term job by what he acheived in the short term. And he succeeded. Whether he can succeed in a job that is inherently to do with the long term is a completely different matter and can only be judged in the medium/long term. It would be wrong for me to say Walters will succeed as permanent SD based on what he did as interim but its equally nonsense to claim he isn't up to the job when there is zero evidence of his acheivements in the job. Sorry not willing to give him much credit for how the season ended it was nothing to do with his role again that’s just populist nonsense. There’s no evidence that anything he did or said made any difference to anything and he certainly had no impact on the squad. It comes down to people liking him so seeing something that isn’t there. I’m not able to do that because I don’t like what I associate him with and didn’t think much of him as a player so for me he’s just a SD who got the job because of his name.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2024 7:26:45 GMT
Ben Gibson there we go that’s more like it Jon. Now we’ve got Jared out who knows where our scouting could take us, we could go as far north as Sunderland and god forbid we could also look at players from the Southampton area, it’s far fetched I know but you have to be ambitious sometimes don’t you. And we’re even going more old school with swapping players with Burnley. It’s tragic isn’t it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 21, 2024 7:27:17 GMT
I think people need to calm down and wait to see what transpires.
We signed some good players last summer but with an awful lot of tripe thrown in the mix too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2024 7:28:51 GMT
From Rotherham. Not exactly unearthing a hidden gem in a foreign market, is it? Ah ok. Foreign players only count if they’re signed from some obscure far flung league and don’t have any experience of this country or league? I’m getting the hang of this. I mean surely you can see a difference? He joined Villa at 16. He’s as much a product of English football as he is Swedish.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 7:29:05 GMT
From Rotherham. Not exactly unearthing a hidden gem in a foreign market, is it? Ah ok. Foreign players only count if they’re signed from some obscure far flung league and don’t have any experience of this country or league? I’m getting the hang of this. No you’re getting the hang of trying to put people down because you like something and they don’t.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2024 7:29:37 GMT
I think people need to calm down and wait to see what transpires. We signed some good players last summer but with an awful lot of tripe thrown in the mix too. We did. Mainly the English based manager signings. No actually - all of them 🤣
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Post by foxysgloves on May 21, 2024 7:33:55 GMT
Ben Gibson there we go that’s more like it Jon. Now we’ve got Jared out who knows where our scouting could take us, we could go as far north as Sunderland and god forbid we could also look at players from the Southampton area, it’s far fetched I know but you have to be ambitious sometimes don’t you. Does McCallum not count as young ?
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on May 21, 2024 7:34:44 GMT
I think people need to calm down and wait to see what transpires. We signed some good players last summer but with an awful lot of tripe thrown in the mix too. just need to get the balance correct. Experienced free transfers in first and work on the more difficult deals throughout the summer.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 7:36:47 GMT
If come September 1st we've see 6-7 signings of the type we saw under Rowett and Jones with a rolling succession of 28+ Champ-proven British journeymen, I think we're entitled to criticise and see the burying of Jared under the Bet365 car park was a sign of things to come.
But some of that type on Bosman/loan, rather than the premium fees we were paying back then seems fine if paired up with one or two from more exotic markets and a couple more u25s.
It's obvious that J-Rod would be a bench option (if there's anything in it) and not THE answer we're going to target as the main man. The striker we target as the man we hope to get us 14-15 goals will tell us a lot.
Teams that do well often have some veteran British players in the squad, as well as some sexy exotic types.
I remember (and was part of!) the meltdown that greeted the Enda Stevens signing, which was followed up by Junho and Burger!
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Post by scfcadams on May 21, 2024 7:37:52 GMT
From Rotherham. Not exactly unearthing a hidden gem in a foreign market, is it? Ah ok. Foreign players only count if they’re signed from some obscure far flung league and don’t have any experience of this country or league? I’m getting the hang of this. That’s literally what “foreign” means in this context. “Domestic” doesn’t mean English necessarily, it means a product of the British leagues. “Foreign” would be a product of non-British leagues.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 7:38:27 GMT
Ben Gibson there we go that’s more like it Jon. Now we’ve got Jared out who knows where our scouting could take us, we could go as far north as Sunderland and god forbid we could also look at players from the Southampton area, it’s far fetched I know but you have to be ambitious sometimes don’t you. Its wank but I suppose it’s the nearest thing to the return of Pulis that many have been aching for since he was fired that was ever going to happen.
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Post by lordb on May 21, 2024 7:39:41 GMT
If come September 1st we've see 6-7 signings of the type we saw under Rowett and Jones with a rolling succession of 28+ Champ-proven British journeymen, I think we're entitled to criticise and see the burying of Jared under the Bet365 car park was a sign of things to come. But some of that type on Bosman/loan, rather than the premium fees we were paying back then seems fine if paired up with one or two more from more exotic markets and a couple more u25s. It's obvious that J-Rod would be a bench option (if there's anything in it) and not THE answer we're going to target as the main man. The striker we target as the man we hope to get us 14-15 goals will tell us a lot. Teams that do well often have some veteran British players in the squad, as well as some sexy exotic types. I remember (and was part of!) the meltdown that greeted the Enda Stevens signing, which was followed up by Junho and Burger! At its the out of contract players who are being linked Hence mostly older players from similar clubs vast majority of links won't come to fruition, some will have no basis in fact Be mid June before we start seeing exciting transfers
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Post by foxysgloves on May 21, 2024 7:40:04 GMT
Ah ok. Foreign players only count if they’re signed from some obscure far flung league and don’t have any experience of this country or league? I’m getting the hang of this. I mean surely you can see a difference? He joined Villa at 16. He’s as much a product of English football as he is Swedish. Ok. So even though he’s young and foreign. He doesn’t count as young and foreign. McCallum won’t count as young either? Have to be under 20? So they should be young and playing in an obscure foreign league? Like Jojic?
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Post by idle on May 21, 2024 7:40:52 GMT
From Rotherham. Not exactly unearthing a hidden gem in a foreign market, is it? Ah ok. Foreign players only count if they’re signed from some obscure far flung league and don’t have any experience of this country or league? I’m getting the hang of this. It does, when that was what JD was doing. It's not really that hard signing foreign players that have spent a decade in England and who every fan and his dog know about, is it? In addition we've been linked with every 31+ year old in the league. Not looking good IMO. Even Pulis signed younger players at times. We'll see in september how it went
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Post by foxysgloves on May 21, 2024 7:41:02 GMT
Ah ok. Foreign players only count if they’re signed from some obscure far flung league and don’t have any experience of this country or league? I’m getting the hang of this. No you’re getting the hang of trying to put people down because you like something and they don’t. Putting people down 😂😂😂 It’s banter and coming from both sides. Don’t be so precious.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 21, 2024 7:41:27 GMT
Starting XI for the first game of the season:
Johansson
Wilkinson Coady Huth Pieters
Cresswell Whelan Delap Etherington
Sidibe Rodriguez
Fucking get it up them lads and if they’ve got a funny sounding name make sure you leave one on them early.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 7:43:31 GMT
If come September 1st we've see 6-7 signings of the type we saw under Rowett and Jones with a rolling succession of 28+ Champ-proven British journeymen, I think we're entitled to criticise and see the burying of Jared under the Bet365 car park was a sign of things to come. But some of that type on Bosman/loan, rather than the premium fees we were paying back then seems fine if paired up with one or two from more exotic markets and a couple more u25s. It's obvious that J-Rod would be a bench option (if there's anything in it) and not THE answer we're going to target as the main man. The striker we target as the man we hope to get us 14-15 goals will tell us a lot. Teams that do well often have some veteran British players in the squad, as well as some sexy exotic types. I remember (and was part of!) the meltdown that greeted the Enda Stevens signing, which was followed up by Junho and Burger! Not quite Stevens was followed by the likes of Johnson and Pearson and the other domestic dross we bought in Junho and Burger were later.
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Post by baconburger on May 21, 2024 7:46:15 GMT
No you’re getting the hang of trying to put people down because you like something and they don’t. Putting people down 😂😂😂 It’s banter and coming from both sides. Don’t be so precious. And that’s exactly what it’s doing dividing the fan base along old wounds.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2024 7:46:30 GMT
If come September 1st we've see 6-7 signings of the type we saw under Rowett and Jones with a rolling succession of 28+ Champ-proven British journeymen, I think we're entitled to criticise and see the burying of Jared under the Bet365 car park was a sign of things to come. But some of that type on Bosman/loan, rather than the premium fees we were paying back then seems fine if paired up with one or two from more exotic markets and a couple more u25s. It's obvious that J-Rod would be a bench option (if there's anything in it) and not THE answer we're going to target as the main man. The striker we target as the man we hope to get us 14-15 goals will tell us a lot. Teams that do well often have some veteran British players in the squad, as well as some sexy exotic types. I remember (and was part of!) the meltdown that greeted the Enda Stevens signing, which was followed up by Junho and Burger! Not quite Stevens was followed by the likes of Johnson and Pearson and the other domestic dross we bought in Junho and Burger were later. But as lordb says, the stodgy sprouts and broccoli Bosmans get snapped up first. Then the tastier desserts start moving in June.
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Post by Biblical on May 21, 2024 7:48:37 GMT
Regarding potentially signing the likes of Gibson, Coady, Rodriguez etc I think it’s important to remember that we’ve only got so much funds to use.
If we bring in the likes of the above mentioned on frees and loans and use the war chest for different profile, younger signings then I think that’s fine.
Also I know people are questioning the decision to get rid of Dublin but all the work will have already been done in terms of identifying potential targets so I expect him to still have had an influence over targets for this window.
Just need to see what pans out but I don’t think it’s anything like as negative as to what I’m reading on here.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 21, 2024 7:53:43 GMT
Putting people down 😂😂😂 It’s banter and coming from both sides. Don’t be so precious. And that’s exactly what it’s doing dividing the fan base along old wounds. And that’s on me!!!?? There’s a few posters on here who are taking any possible opportunity to snipe at the management. Making groundless assumptions based on pure conjecture. Then there’s the majority who are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see.
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