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Post by foxysgloves on May 20, 2024 11:49:02 GMT
Hardly on an equal footing though. It was essentially an Alex Neil squad which had more holes than a sieve. Schumacher didn’t exactly do it the easy way but maybe there was no easy way. We looked broken and on the verge of oblivion. Neil is far more culpable for the shit show of last season. I think it had enough to be easy midtable. Just needed to be simple. Ie McNally and Rose at the back weirdly worked. Use Burger and Junho. Use Mmaee. He got there in the end but it took him a while and in the middle of it he forgot his principles and made it worse. Like how long it took Manhoef to come into the side. What was that about? From his first sub appearance he looked totally different gravy to any of the others. I get it’s not easy but fuck me they make it look so hard. This is a club we support and watch every minute of. We then debate it on here endlessly. His life up to the point of joining us was spent literally living and breathing every minute focusing on Plymouth. So don’t you think we can afford him a little bit of lenience? A month or two to get to know the club and players? By the end of the season we looked like we at least had a plan and the players seemed far more connected and happy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2024 11:53:15 GMT
I think it had enough to be easy midtable. Just needed to be simple. Ie McNally and Rose at the back weirdly worked. Use Burger and Junho. Use Mmaee. He got there in the end but it took him a while and in the middle of it he forgot his principles and made it worse. Like how long it took Manhoef to come into the side. What was that about? From his first sub appearance he looked totally different gravy to any of the others. I get it’s not easy but fuck me they make it look so hard. This is a club we support and watch every minute of. We then debate it on here endlessly. His life up to the point of joining us was spent literally living and breathing every minute focusing on Plymouth. So don’t you think we can afford him a little bit of lenience? A month or two to get to know the club and players? By the end of the season we looked like we at least had a plan and the players seemed far more connected and happy. So we do know more than the pros when it suits? I think it was obvious. I’d like to think if an idiot like me can see then so would they. The last three games we did. But that was about it. They were great too. But people are going way ott. There’s a lot of work to be done. The goalie is a good start.
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Post by bertiestan on May 20, 2024 11:59:45 GMT
This is a club we support and watch every minute of. We then debate it on here endlessly. His life up to the point of joining us was spent literally living and breathing every minute focusing on Plymouth. So don’t you think we can afford him a little bit of lenience? A month or two to get to know the club and players? By the end of the season we looked like we at least had a plan and the players seemed far more connected and happy. So we do know more than the pros when it suits? I think it was obvious. I’d like to think if an idiot like me can see then so would they. The last three games we did. But that was about it. They were great too. But people are going way ott. There’s a lot of work to be done. The goalie is a good start. I think it’s more to do with the positions he’s starting to recruit for as the main reason for the optimism along with the good end to the season…we all know that we’re only a few decent players in key positions off a really good championship team🔴⚪️
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Post by LGH87 on May 20, 2024 12:00:06 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 20, 2024 12:03:06 GMT
Not sure he’s that good is he?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2024 12:04:53 GMT
So we do know more than the pros when it suits? I think it was obvious. I’d like to think if an idiot like me can see then so would they. The last three games we did. But that was about it. They were great too. But people are going way ott. There’s a lot of work to be done. The goalie is a good start. I think it’s more to do with the positions he’s starting to recruit for as the main reason for the optimism along with the good end to the season…we all know that we’re only a few decent players in key positions off a really good championship team🔴⚪️ I honestly think we need 7/8 starters ideally. We don’t have a CB who is good enough to be playing regularly. We have one central midfielder who is but he isn’t fit enough and looking above he’s just been linked with Spurs. And we need another striker. I like the bench Lots of work to be done.
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Post by acstokie on May 20, 2024 12:17:51 GMT
I think it’s more to do with the positions he’s starting to recruit for as the main reason for the optimism along with the good end to the season…we all know that we’re only a few decent players in key positions off a really good championship team🔴⚪️ I honestly think we need 7/8 starters ideally. We don’t have a CB who is good enough to be playing regularly. We have one central midfielder who is but he isn’t fit enough and looking above he’s just been linked with Spurs. And we need another striker. I like the bench Lots of work to be done. So we have 3-4 worthy of starting but you think Schumacher should have taken us from the bring of the relegation zone to mid table based on what he had to work with?
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 20, 2024 12:20:22 GMT
Would be nice for us to pull Spurs' pants down if that's true.
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Post by cja103 on May 20, 2024 12:21:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 12:24:44 GMT
I've said it before and will say it again, he won't be here next season and the reason he was out of the side at the end of last season was purely to prevent injuries for a deal that has already pretty much been done in principle.
I know of nothing per se but it was just plainly obvious to me, why else leave your best player out of the side in a relegation battle?
I don't think he'll end up at Spurs but can certainly see him at a club in the same bracket as Palace or maybe a Leicester.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2024 12:26:49 GMT
I honestly think we need 7/8 starters ideally. We don’t have a CB who is good enough to be playing regularly. We have one central midfielder who is but he isn’t fit enough and looking above he’s just been linked with Spurs. And we need another striker. I like the bench Lots of work to be done. So we have 3-4 worthy of starting but you think Schumacher should have taken us from the bring of the relegation zone to mid table based on what he had to work with? I think Neil should have had us midtable too. I don’t think midtable is acceptable….
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 20, 2024 12:27:21 GMT
I've said it before and will say it again, he won't be here next season and the reason he was out of the side at the end of last season was purely to prevent injuries for a deal that has already pretty much been done in principle. I know of nothing per se but it was just plainly obvious to me, why else leave your best player out of the side in a relegation battle? I don't think he'll end up at Spurs but can certainly see him at a club in the same bracket as Palace or maybe a Leicester. This could be a good test for our newer recruitment approach. We need a good fee and an identified replacement.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on May 20, 2024 12:37:01 GMT
I think as an attacking fullback hes aiways been good, I just think he was defensive liability for is first 18 mionths with us. I think that changed singificantly in the run in, he eihter was properley coached, worked it out or got more engaged. Young players get better and I think he has. He was develoepd in his developement loa,n who would have though that? So what standard of players should we accpet as good enough for a stoke fullback? Who is good enough for you? I'd disagree significantly.... 6 months ago, we would use different langauge but have similar views, about Hoever. I think he got the attacking-defensive balance right, and improved his positining considerably on the run in. You seem to hide from the fact over the last 12 games we gained 21 points and were playing in play off form, hardly the 'unmitetgated bag of shite' you like to shout about. I just think he’s not very good and we’ve had two very similar spells from him. It’s a pattern. He’s not good enough.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2024 12:41:13 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2024 12:43:29 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2024 12:45:55 GMT
I didn’t realise McCallum had played so many games at Coventry also and is good friends with Michael Rose
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Post by hd51 on May 20, 2024 12:46:50 GMT
Surely got to look in the range of £15-20 mil. Would snap anyones hand off for 20 plus a sell on clause.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 20, 2024 12:51:09 GMT
Hardly on an equal footing though. It was essentially an Alex Neil squad which had more holes than a sieve. Schumacher didn’t exactly do it the easy way but maybe there was no easy way. We looked broken and on the verge of oblivion. Neil is far more culpable for the shit show of last season. I think it had enough to be easy midtable. Just needed to be simple. Ie McNally and Rose at the back weirdly worked. Use Burger and Junho. Use Mmaee. He got there in the end but it took him a while and in the middle of it he forgot his principles and made it worse. Like how long it took Manhoef to come into the side. What was that about? From his first sub appearance he looked totally different gravy to any of the others. I get it’s not easy but fuck me they make it look so hard. Remind me where we were when Neil was sacked? What had you seen to make you think we would be mid table, after 4 consecutive defeats? Do you believe Manhoef would even have come to Stoke with Neil in charge? Million himself said he needed to do some fitness work before he started games. Cundle certainly wouldn't have come if Schumacher hadn't been here and his link play with Bae helped to save us in those last three games. And Bae's improvement came under Schumacher - coincidence, getting used to the league or better individual coaching? Plus we finished with a CH partnership of Mcnally and Wilmot who concede no goals the three matches they played together. Did Mcnally and Rose playthreeconsecutive games without conceding?
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Post by peterpan1 on May 20, 2024 12:53:50 GMT
Would be nice for us to pull Spurs' pants down if that's true. Tell em it's £20 Mill. Plus big add ons. Plus compensation for the fraud Kevin Wimper !
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Post by nottsover60 on May 20, 2024 12:53:52 GMT
Not sure he’s that good is he? Not yet he isn't
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Post by tommystoke123 on May 20, 2024 12:54:56 GMT
Love Burger, but would be good if we make significant profit on him and replace him with someone in the same mould and be able to strengthen in key areas too, we’ve cried out to be a club who sells their best players for a profit and to improve for years, hopefully this starts that strategy
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 20, 2024 12:59:05 GMT
I've said it before and will say it again, he won't be here next season and the reason he was out of the side at the end of last season was purely to prevent injuries for a deal that has already pretty much been done in principle. I know of nothing per se but it was just plainly obvious to me, why else leave your best player out of the side in a relegation battle? I don't think he'll end up at Spurs but can certainly see him at a club in the same bracket as Palace or maybe a Leicester. I wouldn't be surprised if he did leave. However, we were in good form when he was out of the team and finally found a balance that had us winning games with a high performance level to match, so there was a legitimate reason why he wasn't starting.
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Post by acstokie on May 20, 2024 13:01:03 GMT
So we have 3-4 worthy of starting but you think Schumacher should have taken us from the bring of the relegation zone to mid table based on what he had to work with? I think Neil should have had us midtable too. I don’t think midtable is acceptable…. I don't think it is either, so the 3 or 4 starters are they good enough for achieving a top 6 place how many of the rest would you say are good enough for mid table? Also based on points per game over a full season and Schumacher's league ppg (63) would have seen us 10th where as under Neil his ppg (48) would have seen us 22nd and relegated? Not sure how any blame can really be put at Schumachers door
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Post by cja103 on May 20, 2024 13:08:49 GMT
Surely got to look in the range of £15-20 mil. Would snap anyones hand off for 20 plus a sell on clause. I said, when he first joined, after seeing him play over here for Basel he's a prem player In waiting. Just hope we play as much hardball as possible
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 13:09:13 GMT
I don’t think that Burger has been anywhere near good enough for Spurs to be interested at the level of cost that we should hope to be looking at.
Hopefully, he plays as an 8 next season and can grab 5-8 goals. If he adds that to his game, he’ll be worth a lot more.
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Post by Pugsley on May 20, 2024 13:10:58 GMT
I think it’s more to do with the positions he’s starting to recruit for as the main reason for the optimism along with the good end to the season…we all know that we’re only a few decent players in key positions off a really good championship team🔴⚪️ I honestly think we need 7/8 starters ideally. We don’t have a CB who is good enough to be playing regularly. We have one central midfielder who is but he isn’t fit enough and looking above he’s just been linked with Spurs. And we need another striker. I like the bench Lots of work to be done. Need a brand new side and lots of work to be done.... yet StS should have comfortably walked mid-table with the current side.
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Post by i1da on May 20, 2024 13:11:39 GMT
Why would they let him go? See above So your reason for Forest letting him go is "if the Forest Manager doesn't want him"? A player who scored 2 goals in the final day, still has a lot to offer, and would make an excellent back-up plan at the very least - who wouldn't want such a player?
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Post by st3mark on May 20, 2024 13:13:39 GMT
Don't want Burger to go because he's one of the players I'm happy with.
But selling them for a profit is the idea I suppose.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2024 13:19:03 GMT
I honestly think we need 7/8 starters ideally. We don’t have a CB who is good enough to be playing regularly. We have one central midfielder who is but he isn’t fit enough and looking above he’s just been linked with Spurs. And we need another striker. I like the bench Lots of work to be done. Need a brand new side and lots of work to be done.... yet StS should have comfortably walked mid-table with the current side. Yes it’s a midtable squad.
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Post by clarkeda on May 20, 2024 13:30:06 GMT
He liked the McCallum tweet also. If true the window has started perfectly addressed the keeper and LB situation for little to no money. Surely means we could spend large on a striker It’s a much better start than the January one. This is 2 very good players in who will be on decent to good championship wages. Very very large step in the right direction. Some poor striker from the middle of nowhere is going to be nearly drowned by the dong gunge and score 50+ for us next season. (I might have got carried away in the last sentence).
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