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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:04:27 GMT
I’m not. We don’t play with anything that resembles a 10. Quite obviously. 🙄 When the highlights come out, I'll show you some stills of Baker being level Million and Bae with Tezgel just infront. I'll of course accept your apology and we will all move on. Hahaha players who get forward being forward. I would expect there to be plenty of times Baker is that far forward it’s kind of in the title “box to box”. As Schumacher has said he plays with two 8s.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:04:29 GMT
“How long’s a piece of string? In the areas that we’re trying to strengthen it’s really difficult, everyone is after the same players. There are a lot of things going on in the Premier League with some players not fully back for pre-season or clubs being away on tours so it’s just a patience game at the moment" Sounds like loads are after the same group of strikers Longingly looks at Jared. Yeah but this new bloke keeps secrets better🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:05:01 GMT
I don’t think it matters tbh. We were crap and that’s what I care about. I don’t watch football to watch us win at any cost. I want to enjoy it. Like the last 3 games. I don’t think we were good enough in the 9 games to show midtable form nevermind play off and that’s then skewed by those 3 results that make it look like it was the case. When it was far from it. you can't just say yes can you Because I don’t think it shows that. Like all stats it’s skewed, manipulated.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:05:38 GMT
I’m not arguing with myself or saying anyone is using the last three games but that they should be. You’re saying I’m choosing 12 it suits my point of view and trying to lock everyone else into that. It’s like the difference in making a fudge cake and a Victoria sponge. The fudge cake was fucking horrible but I ate it anyway. The Victoria sponge was delicious. Now I’ve got the ingredients for a fudge cake and I’m going to try to turn it into a Victoria sponge using the same method I used to make the fudge cake. You know what you should expect to end up with don’t you. A fucking fudge cake! Is this why he's keeping Baker? Hopefully he isn’t.
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Post by stantheman on Jul 24, 2024 10:06:19 GMT
I’m not always correct. But those stats show that the 3 games skew it massively. We were poor before that and 3 games isn’t enough to hang your hat on. I want those 3 games to be the norm but he’s got to show that from the off. He can only show it with players who are capable of it and buy into it. As yet we don’t have them. You are one of the same person, Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde, shouting into a mirror and then posting a tirade of hot air on here
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 24, 2024 10:06:24 GMT
What are the thoughts on Bocat so far?. Looks good from what I saw last night. Was a 7 in a sea of 5s last night.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:06:37 GMT
i wouldn’t sign Cundle , he had more bad games than good , we can’t waste money on a player who’s only going turn up 40% the time no matter how well he plays in the 40% It's a good point that you can apply to a lot of the squad, did they improve at the end of the season or just choose to turn up? Because he didn't play the same amount of games as a lot of the rest, I'm more inclined to lean on improving/understanding his role and teammates (rather than just not turning up) with Cundle. And I can accept that and it’s why I think if we want him we should loan him again. That seems sensible.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:07:10 GMT
He can only show it with players who are capable of it and buy into it. As yet we don’t have them. You are one of the same person, Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde, shouting into a mirror and then posting a tirade of hot air on here Do you ever actually post about football?
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:07:12 GMT
When the highlights come out, I'll show you some stills of Baker being level Million and Bae with Tezgel just infront. I'll of course accept your apology and we will all move on. Hahaha players who get forward being forward. I would expect there to be plenty of times Baker is that far forward it’s kind of in the title “box to box”. As Schumacher has said he plays with two 8s. Who create and score. Neither Baker or Laurent do both. At an acceptable rate.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:08:28 GMT
He can only show it with players who are capable of it and buy into it. As yet we don’t have them. You are one of the same person, Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde, shouting into a mirror and then posting a tirade of hot air on here Yet you seem to be the one who tries to insult but has little other content to offer in your posting.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 24, 2024 10:09:45 GMT
you can't just say yes can you Because I don’t think it shows that. Like all stats it’s skewed, manipulated. For me it's a good barometer to go from that Middlesbrough win, we'd just lost to Cardiff and dropped in to the bottom 3 and beating Boro was our first win to end a run of 1 win and 7 defeats in the previous 8. So from losing to Cardiff and dropping in to the bottom 3, by hook or by crook we produced play off form for those last 12 games, yes we won 3 games in a row at the end but who knows, if the season hadn't have ended we could've won another 5 in a row. The funny thing is, I actually replied to you originally a bit tongue in cheek and I thought you'd have got it but instead you decided to go on a crusade against the last 12 games points tally
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Post by thornestein on Jul 24, 2024 10:10:11 GMT
It's a good point that you can apply to a lot of the squad, did they improve at the end of the season or just choose to turn up? Because he didn't play the same amount of games as a lot of the rest, I'm more inclined to lean on improving/understanding his role and teammates (rather than just not turning up) with Cundle. And I can accept that and it’s why I think if we want him we should loan him again. That seems sensible. i could understand a loan , probably a good solution
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:11:06 GMT
What are the thoughts on Bocat so far?. Looks good from what I saw last night. Was a 7 in a sea of 5s last night. Exactly not excellent but more than acceptable. Really should have scored.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 24, 2024 10:11:44 GMT
When the highlights come out, I'll show you some stills of Baker being level Million and Bae with Tezgel just infront. I'll of course accept your apology and we will all move on. Hahaha players who get forward being forward. I would expect there to be plenty of times Baker is that far forward it’s kind of in the title “box to box”. As Schumacher has said he plays with two 8s. As I said we play one holding midfielder, one complete box to box and the other CM has to join the press and be mobile enough to do that. As Bacon (actually made a good point) said about Laurent he hasn't got the technical ability to be cute if we win it back high up. No team in world football plays to 8s. Chelsea had Makelele, Ballack box to box then Lampard in midfield but hitting the box late and helping press. You wouldnt say hes a 10 but he does that role and more I don't care what you call it, one of the center mids has to be continually higher than the other to help in press and provide legs in their defensive 3rd. It's literally the most basic formation in football.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:13:37 GMT
And I can accept that and it’s why I think if we want him we should loan him again. That seems sensible. i could understand a loan , probably a good solution He’s exactly the profile of player we’ve spent money on in the last few years MON onwards. A good investment you’re very unlikely to lose too much money on.
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Post by birch on Jul 24, 2024 10:13:40 GMT
Used to love reading the transfer threads on here and see whats happening i've done it for years, now all i see if people arguing and jumping down byerns throat looking for further arguments ( we all know he doesnt help himself) but its like a pack of vultures waiting to have a pop at him. must all be a load of middle aged blokes with fuck all else to do than argue with your own fan base. Bring back davesviews and all the ITK i say
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 24, 2024 10:14:22 GMT
Why does it matter? My point was from march until the end of the season we showed play off form. Whether those points were all gained in the first 6, last 6 or spread amongst the 12, the fact is we gained enough points over those 12 games for play off form. which is a fact. Why the over analysing of it has had to happen god only knows. the curiosity bit to much for you , and it does matter if you want see what bayern means Because my point was from March onwards, not about any specific games or run of games within those months. Heck, if we look at the previous 8 games it was 1 win and 7 defeats, relegation form if you've ever seen it but I wasn't talking about anything other than March onwards, in which was originally a tongue in cheek reply to Bayern which I thought he'd get as we tend to agree on a lot of things but Schumacher it seems is not one of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:14:32 GMT
Because I don’t think it shows that. Like all stats it’s skewed, manipulated. For me it's a good barometer to go from that Middlesbrough win, we'd just lost to Cardiff and dropped in to the bottom 3 and beating Boro was our first win to end a run of 1 win and 7 defeats in the previous 8. So from losing to Cardiff and dropping in to the bottom 3, by hook or by crook we produced play off form for those last 12 games, yes we won 3 games in a row at the end but who knows, if the season hadn't have ended we could've won another 5 in a row. The funny thing is, I actually replied to you originally a bit tongue in cheek and I thought you'd have got it but instead you decided to go on a crusade against the last 12 games points tally I just don’t think it matches what we actually saw bar the last three games. I’d love for it to be the real way this team plays but I just can’t believe that until it happens. Pre season so far has felt good. And I went on a crusade because I don’t think it means shit 🤣
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 24, 2024 10:14:37 GMT
It's a good point that you can apply to a lot of the squad, did they improve at the end of the season or just choose to turn up? Because he didn't play the same amount of games as a lot of the rest, I'm more inclined to lean on improving/understanding his role and teammates (rather than just not turning up) with Cundle. And I can accept that and it’s why I think if we want him we should loan him again. That seems sensible. I agree, I think he's a level above Smallbone but not sure if he's got the consistency to keep up that level, so he's not 1 to be allocating a lot of our budget on, but I would like to see him back on loan next season.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 24, 2024 10:15:19 GMT
And I can accept that and it’s why I think if we want him we should loan him again. That seems sensible. i could understand a loan , probably a good solution With an option to buy. You won't find a better player we could realistically sign.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:15:35 GMT
Hahaha players who get forward being forward. I would expect there to be plenty of times Baker is that far forward it’s kind of in the title “box to box”. As Schumacher has said he plays with two 8s. As I said we play one holding midfielder, one complete box to box and the other CM has to join the press and be mobile enough to do that. As Bacon (actually made a good point) said about Laurent he hasn't got the technical ability to be cute if we win it back high up. No team in world football plays to 8s. Chelsea had Makelele, Ballack box to box then Lampard in midfield but hitting the box late and helping press. You wouldnt say hes a 10 but he does that role and more I don't care what you call it, one of the center mids has to be continually higher than the other to help in press and provide legs in their defensive 3rd. It's literally the most basic formation in football. But it’s not Schu’s favoured formation. So he says he plays two 8’s but doesn’t know what he’s talking about and you know better??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:16:40 GMT
Hahaha players who get forward being forward. I would expect there to be plenty of times Baker is that far forward it’s kind of in the title “box to box”. As Schumacher has said he plays with two 8s. As I said we play one holding midfielder, one complete box to box and the other CM has to join the press and be mobile enough to do that. As Bacon (actually made a good point) said about Laurent he hasn't got the technical ability to be cute if we win it back high up. No team in world football plays to 8s. Chelsea had Makelele, Ballack box to box then Lampard in midfield but hitting the box late and helping press. You wouldnt say hes a 10 but he does that role and more I don't care what you call it, one of the center mids has to be continually higher than the other to help in press and provide legs in their defensive 3rd. It's literally the most basic formation in football. So why has our head coach says that what he plays? 🤣🤦♂️ We don’t play with anything resembling a number 10.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2024 10:17:15 GMT
The ones that keep getting name-checked with Champ clubs seem to be:
Ugbo Stansfield Cannon Archer Al-Hamadi Jebbison Scarlett
....especially 2-3 could probably have their pick. Quite a few could probably only be loan possibilities though?
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 24, 2024 10:17:33 GMT
Watched both games in full. I don't go into away games expecting to roll teams over like 2009 Barcelona though - and no Championship team is capable of that I wouldn't bother FM. You'd be better off having a football chat with a Carlsberg Special Brew hero in Longton Bus Shelter. Current midfield three for me: Sidibe Burger New Signing I'd sign competition for Sidibe and x2 new signings for the competition with Burger and the 10. I'm honestly pretty sure I've seen more of Cundle than anyone in Youth Football, he's absolutely quality. He will only get better and better. I fell into this trap yesterday. Totally not worth it.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 24, 2024 10:17:56 GMT
For me it's a good barometer to go from that Middlesbrough win, we'd just lost to Cardiff and dropped in to the bottom 3 and beating Boro was our first win to end a run of 1 win and 7 defeats in the previous 8. So from losing to Cardiff and dropping in to the bottom 3, by hook or by crook we produced play off form for those last 12 games, yes we won 3 games in a row at the end but who knows, if the season hadn't have ended we could've won another 5 in a row. The funny thing is, I actually replied to you originally a bit tongue in cheek and I thought you'd have got it but instead you decided to go on a crusade against the last 12 games points tally I just don’t think it matches what we actually saw bar the last three games. I’d love for it to be the real way this team plays but I just can’t believe that until it happens. Pre season so far has felt good. And I went on a crusade because I don’t think it means shit 🤣 If we're talking about performances then yeah I do agree, there's no hiding even from the man himself he had to go pragmatic to get results and then when the shackles came off we looked like an actual side all of a sudden. I won't disagree with you on that point but my original point was merely based on points gained over those 12 games, nothing more, nothing less and I never expected it to end up spanning 4 pages
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 24, 2024 10:18:52 GMT
I’m not sure where the 12 game yardstick has come from, but in SS’s 24 league games he’s got 33 points at 1.38 points per game. Over a 46 game season that’s 63 points, which is pretty much exactly where I see us being this season.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 24, 2024 10:20:58 GMT
I’m not sure where the 12 game yardstick has come from, but in SS’s 24 league games he’s got 33 points at 1.38 points per game. Over a 46 game season that’s 63 points, which is pretty much exactly where I see us being this season. Like I've said above, I used it as a yardstick because it was the Boro win that snapped that awful run, it was the start of a new month in March and from there until the end of the season we gained enough points to show play off form.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 24, 2024 10:21:09 GMT
Because I don’t think it shows that. Like all stats it’s skewed, manipulated. For me it's a good barometer to go from that Middlesbrough win, we'd just lost to Cardiff and dropped in to the bottom 3 and beating Boro was our first win to end a run of 1 win and 7 defeats in the previous 8. So from losing to Cardiff and dropping in to the bottom 3, by hook or by crook we produced play off form for those last 12 games, yes we won 3 games in a row at the end but who knows, if the season hadn't have ended we could've won another 5 in a row. The funny thing is, I actually replied to you originally a bit tongue in cheek and I thought you'd have got it but instead you decided to go on a crusade against the last 12 games points tally I don't think you can do that, you can't say we might have gone on and won another 5 in a row, while also deciding to start from a win following a run of 1 win in 8, would that theoretically mean that from the last 20 games of the season we went: 7 wins, 3 draws, 10 defeats? 24 points from 20 games? This is why stats can be misleading because you can absolutely distort them by leaving out bits that don't suit. We could just as easily have been on the beach on those 3 games if we'd been safe and not won any of them. Football isn't black and white and there are mittigating circumstances. As it happens I would gladly have seen Schumacher sacked for the absolute eye-bleedingly shit football we had to watch. Just so happens he got enough to get us through and now I'm optimistic for a decent season this time around because I'm a sucker. Schumacher has a shit load left to prove though.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:21:40 GMT
I’m not sure where the 12 game yardstick has come from, but in SS’s 24 league games he’s got 33 points at 1.38 points per game. Over a 46 game season that’s 63 points, which is pretty much exactly where I see us being this season. Those who insist upon it’s use try to dictate it because it suits their point of view.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 24, 2024 10:22:01 GMT
for curiosity reasons , what would it look like if you take away the last 3 games ? Why does it matter? My point was from march until the end of the season we showed play off form. Whether those points were all gained in the first 6, last 6 or spread amongst the 12, the fact is we gained enough points over those 12 games for play off form. which is a fact. Why the over analysing of it has had to happen god only knows. I once got told by a sales manager you can’t sell to stupid. I think you understand where I’m going with this…
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