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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 25, 2024 7:53:01 GMT
I went into yesterday's game thinking we needed a striker, right back and possibly another midfielder Cone away thinking we need 1 left back, 1 right back andva midfielder I think Koumas can do the business up front It's not good though to bein this position, both Albion and Watford seem to have balanced sides, we look a mess It’s about being well drilled working to a system and shape. We had none of that yesterday and was a mess. Inexperienced coach who overthinking patterns of play. Most of his tenure at Stoke has been like this to be fair so can’t moan if we’re struggling at end of September if hes given boot. very true george and a good point. The formation was puzzling and I think because of the way the full backs were exposed at Watford he shat his pants and decided to shoehorn a 3 at the back and hope Junior and Gooch could help
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 25, 2024 8:08:45 GMT
On yesterday's evidence we need a complete new midfield. Which may explain all the links we're seeing.
Hate to slate young players, but a new RB also.
And a new centre forward.
***********Johansson**********
NEW RB Phillips Gibson Bocat
************NEW DM************
***ANYONEBUTJOSH**Burger****
**Manhoef ********** Junho**
*************NEW CF (Koumas)***********
And in an ideal world we shift all of the below: -
Laurent Baker Johnson Ennis Vidigal
The reality is, we're not going to see all that movement in less than a week.
The hope is that Bosun is a beast when fit, Gallagher brings something to the table when fit also and any others we can get in before the window closes plug the other gaps.
It's amazing that for a club with so many midfielders, we can put out a side that offers absolutely nothing in the middle of the park.
Even the day after, when I'm normally much calmer and level headed, I'm still perplexed at how utterly poor our midfield was yesterday. We were the home team. And we didn't lay a glove on them.
Utterly dejected.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2024 8:11:13 GMT
Oh dear. Did you decide Joe Allen was a No10 because he scored a few goals too? We do have some very decent players but and inexperienced coach who has yet to find a system to get best out of everyone. Never said we didn’t have some good players. I just think the idea we don’t need a goal scoring CF is bat shit mental.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2024 8:14:15 GMT
On yesterday's evidence we need a complete new midfield. Which may explain all the links we're seeing. Hate to slate young players, but a new RB also. And a new centre forward. ***********Johansson********** NEW RB Phillips Gibson Bocat ************NEW DM************ ***ANYONEBUTJOSH**Burger**** **Manhoef Koumas/Moran Junho** *************NEW CF*********** And in an ideal world we shift all of the below: - Laurent Baker Johnson Ennis Vidigal The reality is, we're not going to see all that movement in less than a week. The hope is that Bosun is a beast when fit, Gallagher brings something to the table when fit also and any others we can get in before the window closes plug the other gaps. It's amazing that for a club with so many midfielders, we can put out a side that offers absolutely nothing in the middle of the park. Even the day after, when I'm normally much calmer and level headed, I'm still perplexed at how utterly poor our midfield was yesterday. We were the home team. And we didn't lay a glove on them. Utterly dejected. 434 that will work really well if we can get away with it somehow I suspect we won’t.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 25, 2024 9:29:42 GMT
So who can we realistically see departing the club before the deadline comes around?
I can see Johnson, Baker, Vidigal, Ennis & Jojic moving on.
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Post by tommystoke123 on Aug 25, 2024 9:32:13 GMT
So who can we realistically see departing the club before the deadline comes around? I can see Johnson, Baker, Vidigal, Ennis & Jojic moving on. Would be ecstatic with that, add Laurent to that imo too, but we’ll probably keep him, hopefully all perms, so we can raise a bit of cash for a striker
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Post by onepara on Aug 25, 2024 9:33:59 GMT
I said right at the beginning that he was the wrong one, & would be gone by October. We are in the position again where we have a lower league thinking Manager who doesn't know what to do with more talented players, & how to get the best from them. He's another Nathan Jones. Talks a good fight. The job is beyond him, & in these two games it has shown that he has been out-thought by better thinkers. Cleverly has only been in the job for a short while, & is already proving better than Schumacher.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 25, 2024 9:34:33 GMT
On yesterday's evidence we need a complete new midfield. Which may explain all the links we're seeing. Hate to slate young players, but a new RB also. And a new centre forward. ***********Johansson********** NEW RB Phillips Gibson Bocat ************NEW DM************ ***ANYONEBUTJOSH**Burger**** **Manhoef ********** Junho** *************NEW CF (Koumas)*********** And in an ideal world we shift all of the below: - Laurent Baker Johnson Ennis Vidigal The reality is, we're not going to see all that movement in less than a week. The hope is that Bosun is a beast when fit, Gallagher brings something to the table when fit also and any others we can get in before the window closes plug the other gaps. It's amazing that for a club with so many midfielders, we can put out a side that offers absolutely nothing in the middle of the park. Even the day after, when I'm normally much calmer and level headed, I'm still perplexed at how utterly poor our midfield was yesterday. We were the home team. And we didn't lay a glove on them. Utterly dejected. On the plus side we do have Lawal Pearson (I’m hoping he’ll still come good) Moran So it’s not all bad. Im hoping we can get Cundle in still a RB (which is crucial) and another striker. Can’t see it but let’s hope so.
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Post by werrington on Aug 25, 2024 9:39:30 GMT
I see Lyndon Dykes was left out of the QPR squad all together today🤔Haven’t we been linked with him in the past? Didn’t he get a serious injury whilst training with Scotland just before the BBC euros That’ll be why mate
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 25, 2024 9:40:15 GMT
I see Lyndon Dykes was left out of the QPR squad all together today🤔Haven’t we been linked with him in the past? Didn’t he get a serious injury whilst training with Scotland just before the BBC euros That’ll be why mate He scored for them last week!
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Post by werrington on Aug 25, 2024 9:40:52 GMT
Didn’t he get a serious injury whilst training with Scotland just before the BBC euros That’ll be why mate He scored for them last week! 👍 fair dos I thought he was out long term
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Post by callas12 on Aug 25, 2024 9:50:20 GMT
I said right at the beginning that he was the wrong one, & would be gone by October. We are in the position again where we have a lower league thinking Manager who doesn't know what to do with more talented players, & how to get the best from them. He's another Nathan Jones. Talks a good fight. The job is beyond him, & in these two games it has shown that he has been out-thought by better thinkers. Cleverly has only been in the job for a short while, & is already proving better than Schumacher. It was always a worry and despite trying to be positive about it, I'm starting to see and agree with your POV & the reasoning behind it. Hearing the aftermatch interview with him yesterday was making me think he's putting the obvious spin on it like Nath used to do, regarding the post being hit twice and small margins etc. But aside from that there weren't many positives & whilst we can bemoan hitting the post, if WBA's effort had gone a few more inches over the line we could have been 1-3 down so that kind of analysis can work both ways. You can spin a review of a game anyway you like but ultimately we were poor and you can start to see other managers outwitting us & coming away with positive results in the process. Worryingly a couple of times these last few weeks since the season started, even at the time to be fair, I've had this nagging feeling we should have gone for Eustace Think he'd have been a better fit at that time as he was actually available & wanted the job as applied whilst we no doubt had to prise a settled Shuey away from a job be was comfortable in. Blackburn currently lie 3rd in the Champo with 7pts, remain unbeaten in the league and cup & Eustace seems to know what he wants, has a game plan and which he successfully implements. This isn't a demand for us to change managers, I'm hoping things can settle down & we can put a run together again like we did at the end of last season. But worryingly have seen what happened last week, and yesterday I'd just started to wonder if our squad and performances are actually any better than they were 12mths ago & worryingly I don't think they are, perhaps even slightly worse.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 25, 2024 9:55:21 GMT
What do we reckon is the best case scenario re outgoings then?
Baker £1m Johnson £500k Vidigal £750k Ennis £750k/loan
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 25, 2024 9:57:19 GMT
So who can we realistically see departing the club before the deadline comes around? I can see Johnson, Baker, Vidigal, Ennis & Jojic moving on. I'd be happy with that too. No idea where this Jojic is though We do need to try and get away mass turnover every year though, was it 18 last year, 9 so far this year. The best teams evolve with 4 or 5 going ad 4 or 5 better players coming in At the moment it feels like we are replacing 8 average players with 8 average players. That said I do agree that we need to ship out some
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 25, 2024 9:59:13 GMT
What do we reckon is the best case scenario re outgoings then? Baker £1m Johnson £500k Vidigal £750k Ennis £750k/loan I can see Laurent going myself. Think Baker will go too. Not sure about Vidigal?
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Post by callas12 on Aug 25, 2024 10:03:47 GMT
What do we reckon is the best case scenario re outgoings then? Baker £1m Johnson £500k Vidigal £750k Ennis £750k/loan I can see Laurent going myself. Think Baker will go too. Not sure about Vidigal? Was Vidigal injured yesterday or just not picked? 🤔 Didn't hear or see the reason mentioned anywhere?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 25, 2024 10:05:43 GMT
I can see Laurent going myself. Think Baker will go too. Not sure about Vidigal? Was Vidigal injured yesterday or just not picked? 🤔 Didn't hear or see the reason mentioned anywhere? Schumacher said he picked up a knock in the week
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 25, 2024 10:06:09 GMT
I can see Laurent going myself. Think Baker will go too. Not sure about Vidigal? Was Vidigal injured yesterday or just not picked? 🤔 Didn't hear or see the reason mentioned anywhere? A “niggle” I believe.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 25, 2024 10:24:14 GMT
No two ways about it this week will either make Schumacher at Stoke or break him
Get the transfers right & we have a chance, get em wrong...you know the rest :-(
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Post by thornestein on Aug 25, 2024 10:26:30 GMT
No two ways about it this week will either make Schumacher at Stoke or break him Get the transfers right & we have a chance, get em wrong...you know the rest :-( i doubt SS gets much say in the transfers
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 25, 2024 10:29:18 GMT
No two ways about it this week will either make Schumacher at Stoke or break him Get the transfers right & we have a chance, get em wrong...you know the rest :-( i doubt SS gets much say in the transfers ..and here lies a problem that is much more deeper than the gaffer & the players then. Who runs the Club & how we run the club Im not going down that route as it's a thread in its own right, and it gets people very worked up.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 25, 2024 10:31:46 GMT
What do we reckon is the best case scenario re outgoings then? Baker £1m Johnson £500k Vidigal £750k Ennis £750k/loan I'm not sure we're too worried about the fees, just getting the wages off the books. The trouble is Baker and Johnson will be on relatively high wages which they won't want to give up and clubs know they are surplus to requirements here.. I would think Vidigal will be our best bet for a fee but only if he'll go back to Europe.
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Post by lordb on Aug 25, 2024 10:32:24 GMT
What do we reckon is the best case scenario re outgoings then? Baker £1m Johnson £500k Vidigal £750k Ennis £750k/loan I'm not sure we're too worried about the fees, just getting the wages off the books. The trouble is Baker and Johnson will be on relatively high wages which they won't want to give up and clubs know they are surplus to requirements here.. I would think Vidigal will be our best bet for a fee but only if he'll go back to Europe. Baker must be on the most
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Post by Ron on Aug 25, 2024 10:33:17 GMT
We cannot just keep on signing midfielders…. Poor coaching and team selection isn’t getting the best out of some of them.
Plus Lawal hasn’t played nor really Moran.
I do agree though we need to shift some of them- we have too many players who have let us down routinely.
A right back, centre back and striker are absolute musts.
He then has a squad he should be doing better with.
Ps… am I the only one who is totally unconvinced by the keeper??
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 25, 2024 10:33:46 GMT
No two ways about it this week will either make Schumacher at Stoke or break him Get the transfers right & we have a chance, get em wrong...you know the rest :-( i doubt SS gets much say in the transfers Walters does say in that interview that once you think you have sorted a transfer you still have to persuade the coaching staff that the player is what they want so I think SS probably has the final say.
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Post by thornestein on Aug 25, 2024 10:35:47 GMT
i doubt SS gets much say in the transfers Walters does say in that interview that once you think you have sorted a transfer you still have to persuade the coaching staff that the player is what they want so I think SS probably has the final say. do you , i don’t , i think he tells Walter’s the position he wants then Walter’s goes out and sign some irish lad
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 25, 2024 10:43:26 GMT
On yesterday's evidence we need a complete new midfield. Which may explain all the links we're seeing. Hate to slate young players, but a new RB also. And a new centre forward. ***********Johansson********** NEW RB Phillips Gibson Bocat ************NEW DM************ ***ANYONEBUTJOSH**Burger**** **Manhoef ********** Junho** *************NEW CF (Koumas)*********** And in an ideal world we shift all of the below: - Laurent Baker Johnson Ennis Vidigal The reality is, we're not going to see all that movement in less than a week. The hope is that Bosun is a beast when fit, Gallagher brings something to the table when fit also and any others we can get in before the window closes plug the other gaps. It's amazing that for a club with so many midfielders, we can put out a side that offers absolutely nothing in the middle of the park. Even the day after, when I'm normally much calmer and level headed, I'm still perplexed at how utterly poor our midfield was yesterday. We were the home team. And we didn't lay a glove on them. Utterly dejected. Becomes at home two of his midfileders were gooch and JT essentially handing them the initiative. JT is fine holding and that’s all it needed to play Gooch simply to stop furlong was nonsense
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Post by thornestein on Aug 25, 2024 10:44:52 GMT
On yesterday's evidence we need a complete new midfield. Which may explain all the links we're seeing. Hate to slate young players, but a new RB also. And a new centre forward. ***********Johansson********** NEW RB Phillips Gibson Bocat ************NEW DM************ ***ANYONEBUTJOSH**Burger**** **Manhoef ********** Junho** *************NEW CF (Koumas)*********** And in an ideal world we shift all of the below: - Laurent Baker Johnson Ennis Vidigal The reality is, we're not going to see all that movement in less than a week. The hope is that Bosun is a beast when fit, Gallagher brings something to the table when fit also and any others we can get in before the window closes plug the other gaps. It's amazing that for a club with so many midfielders, we can put out a side that offers absolutely nothing in the middle of the park. Even the day after, when I'm normally much calmer and level headed, I'm still perplexed at how utterly poor our midfield was yesterday. We were the home team. And we didn't lay a glove on them. Utterly dejected. Becomes at home two of his modefeodlers were gooch and JT essemtialpy ham some them the initiative. JT is fine holding and that’s all it needed to play good to stop furlong was nonsense what the actual f**k does any of that mean 🤣😂
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 25, 2024 10:47:18 GMT
Becomes at home two of his modefeodlers were gooch and JT essemtialpy ham some them the initiative. JT is fine holding and that’s all it needed to play good to stop furlong was nonsense what the actual f**k does any of that mean 🤣😂 Sent before I could amend done now
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 25, 2024 10:52:47 GMT
I can see Laurent going myself. Think Baker will go too. Not sure about Vidigal? Was Vidigal injured yesterday or just not picked? 🤔 Didn't hear or see the reason mentioned anywhere? Last I heard he’d played in a u21’s game recently and had to cone off with a sore foot.
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