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Post by gaznandi on Jul 27, 2024 15:30:35 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Jul 27, 2024 15:42:37 GMT
our budget would only be good if the owners are prepared pump another 8 mil in and to make a loss Unless you're calling our owners liars they're fully willing to put in another £14M well over (considering we didn't nearly use up our FFP headroom from last season) and make the biggest loss they're allowed to make without facing penalties or hamstringing the club in future seasons. We're a loss making entity as are the vast majority of football clubs. i’ve not seen them say that ( believe you though ) , but isn’t the limit they can give 8 mil with a 13 mil loss ??
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 15:43:05 GMT
Chelsea have used players as financial assets for years though. They are a completely shit club. Any young player that signs for them is basically taking a pay check rather than aiming for a good career at the top of the game. Cole palmer being the one opposite case in mind. Haven't they just signed the new Brazilian wonder kid as well? Villa Everton Newcastle Anyone in near breach of FFP has flogged players who only want to play for their boyhood club, who've probably been there for 10 plus years for financial gain. It's fucking disgusting. Such players do not exist. Nor should anyone expect them to. They've agreed to be transferred because it's made sense in terms of them making a living. Only reason they've agreed to it no one can make them. I'm sure football is a really great job if you're any good at it but how many people would live with the restrictions any job brings if they could just do whatever they want without one??
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 27, 2024 15:53:29 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 15:55:32 GMT
Unless you're calling our owners liars they're fully willing to put in another £14M well over (considering we didn't nearly use up our FFP headroom from last season) and make the biggest loss they're allowed to make without facing penalties or hamstringing the club in future seasons. We're a loss making entity as are the vast majority of football clubs. i’ve not seen them say that ( believe you though ) , but isn’t the limit they can give 8 mil with a 13 mil loss ?? They can make £41.5M loss over the 3 year cycle I believe is the new figure. JC has said on many occasions they're committed to spending as much as they're allowed to try to make the club successful. I doubt the £8M is relevant because they put in much more than that that isn't counted toward FFP. FFP is a bit of a guessing game but not a complete guessing game. In broad strokes the only relevant seasons now are one in which we made more than £100M profit. That won't have been all FFP allowable but we know it wasn't disguising a massive FFP loss otherwise we'd have been sanctioned. Last season we made a loss of £10/£12M allowing for discrepancies between bet365 and club accounts, much of which won't be counted toward FFP ie all academy, women's team and fixed asset costs. This leaves us with a shit ton of FFP headroom this season. Don't let the fact we haven't spent hardly any of it yet fool you into believing it's not there if we choose to spend it. The numbers are grey but they can't possibly come together to create a picture vastly different to the one I'm painting.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 27, 2024 16:06:26 GMT
i’ve not seen them say that ( believe you though ) , but isn’t the limit they can give 8 mil with a 13 mil loss ?? They can make £41.5M loss over the 3 year cycle I believe is the new figure. JC has said on many occasions they're committed to spending as much as they're allowed to try to make the club successful. I doubt the £8M is relevant because they put in much more than that that isn't counted toward FFP. FFP is a bit of a guessing game but not a complete guessing game. In broad strokes the only relevant seasons now are one in which we made more than £100M profit. That won't have been all FFP allowable but we know it wasn't disguising a massive FFP loss otherwise we'd have been sanctioned. Last season we made a loss of £10/£12M allowing for discrepancies between bet365 and club accounts, much of which won't be counted toward FFP ie all academy, women's team and fixed asset costs. This leaves us with a shit ton of FFP headroom this season. Don't let the fact we haven't spent hardly any of it yet fool you into believing it's not there if we choose to spend it. The numbers are grey but they can't possibly come together to create a picture vastly different to the one I'm painting. tbh you lost me with “they” 😉😂
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 16:10:07 GMT
They can make £41.5M loss over the 3 year cycle I believe is the new figure. JC has said on many occasions they're committed to spending as much as they're allowed to try to make the club successful. I doubt the £8M is relevant because they put in much more than that that isn't counted toward FFP. FFP is a bit of a guessing game but not a complete guessing game. In broad strokes the only relevant seasons now are one in which we made more than £100M profit. That won't have been all FFP allowable but we know it wasn't disguising a massive FFP loss otherwise we'd have been sanctioned. Last season we made a loss of £10/£12M allowing for discrepancies between bet365 and club accounts, much of which won't be counted toward FFP ie all academy, women's team and fixed asset costs. This leaves us with a shit ton of FFP headroom this season. Don't let the fact we haven't spent hardly any of it yet fool you into believing it's not there if we choose to spend it. The numbers are grey but they can't possibly come together to create a picture vastly different to the one I'm painting. tbh you lost me with “they” 😉😂 FFS
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 27, 2024 16:13:21 GMT
Sounds like we need to shift some, Laurant strolling around today got my goat to be honest.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 27, 2024 16:21:36 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 27, 2024 16:26:15 GMT
It'd be an underwhelming one, but wouldn't be amazed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 16:27:55 GMT
It'd be an underwhelming one, but wouldn't be amazed Better than anything on show today by a long way, but still would be underwhelming.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 16:29:10 GMT
It'd be an underwhelming one, but wouldn't be amazed I don’t watch Blackburn unless they play us. However, he’s been a regular in a front 3 alongside Armstrong, BBD and now their other prolific attacker. He must be pretty decent in a supporting role. Three players don’t hit 20+ goals in successive seasons all on their own. He’s still need someone centrally but I understand that Blackburn have often put him on the left of a three.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 27, 2024 16:29:23 GMT
Where would Gallagher play though, doesn't he play off the left?..
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Post by andystokey on Jul 27, 2024 16:30:35 GMT
Or is he going to become our loan manager More like the Loan Arranger He could trigger a move for Souttar.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 27, 2024 16:31:46 GMT
Where would Gallagher play though, doesn't he play off the left?.. Out and out number 9 I think
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 27, 2024 16:34:38 GMT
It'd be an underwhelming one, but wouldn't be amazed confirmed by Nixon that we are in for him
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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 27, 2024 16:36:19 GMT
Stoke City want Blackburn Rovers striker Sam Gallagher - but are ‘well apart’ on valuations.
Gallagher was left out of the pre season game at Wigan as the Potters try to broker a deal but the clubs are currently not close to agreement.
The target man is in the last year of his contract but Rovers will want a decent fee for him, probably over £1 million.
Stoke know that the wages would be high to attract Gallagher and so they are pitching the offer low.
Blackburn are also close to losing Sammie Szmodics so the Gallagher interest has come at a bad time.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 16:40:43 GMT
It'd be an underwhelming one, but wouldn't be amazed I don’t watch Blackburn unless they play us. However, he’s been a regular in a front 3 alongside Armstrong, BBD and now their other prolific attacker. He must be pretty decent in a supporting role. Three players don’t hit 20+ goals in successive seasons all on their own. He’s still need someone centrally but I understand that Blackburn have often put him on the left of a three. Funnily enough Mowbray's strikers were regularly prolific from one club to another and that covers the majority of the period in question for Blackburn.
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Post by scfcadams on Jul 27, 2024 16:42:23 GMT
Stoke City want Blackburn Rovers striker Sam Gallagher - but are ‘well apart’ on valuations. Gallagher was left out of the pre season game at Wigan as the Potters try to broker a deal but the clubs are currently not close to agreement. The target man is in the last year of his contract but Rovers will want a decent fee for him, probably over £1 million. Stoke know that the wages would be high to attract Gallagher and so they are pitching the offer low. Blackburn are also close to losing Sammie Szmodics so the Gallagher interest has come at a bad time. We’re living in the darkest timeline
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 16:44:50 GMT
Stoke City want Blackburn Rovers striker Sam Gallagher - but are ‘well apart’ on valuations. Gallagher was left out of the pre season game at Wigan as the Potters try to broker a deal but the clubs are currently not close to agreement. The target man is in the last year of his contract but Rovers will want a decent fee for him, probably over £1 million. Stoke know that the wages would be high to attract Gallagher and so they are pitching the offer low. Blackburn are also close to losing Sammie Szmodics so the Gallagher interest has come at a bad time. We’re living in the darkest timeline Certainly not one to get excited about but better than any CF on our books.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 27, 2024 16:46:00 GMT
Gallagher at Clayton Wood on Monday morning, you just know it.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 27, 2024 16:46:12 GMT
What is the point, from his perspective, of coming here for a 3rd loan? If someone like Sheff U are in for him who are almost definitely going be around the top 4 spaces, then it makes far more sense for him to join them. Take it this is Hoever. 1 who says it has to be a loan? Why would he not come here? He knows the HC will play him and that's what he needs. How would going to Sheff Utd finishing in the top 4 having played a handful of games benefit his career?? You'd think given his experience at Liverpool and Wolves he'd know that only playing games will get him his next big chance, No idea how Sheff Utd are fixed at RB by the way. I fully expect given his ability, if he makes the right decisions he'll get another big move/chance. He'll know he'll get the opportunities to make his own case for that here. Or he can take his chances on something else. Certainly nowhere near as cut and dried as you're trying to make out. I don’t think any club will be willing to pay the 7/8/9million they’d want for him given they paid 10million for him. Players want to challenge themselves at the highest level so it’s only natural to want play for the better team. 2 seasons with a stoke side who finished 16th and 17th, I wouldn’t blame him for wanting break in to a team challenging for the top end of the table.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2024 16:49:35 GMT
Gallaghers decent could do a lot worse
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Post by scfcadams on Jul 27, 2024 16:50:32 GMT
We’re living in the darkest timeline Certainly not one to get excited about but better than any CF on our books. In your opinion
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 27, 2024 16:50:46 GMT
Gallaghers decent could do a lot worse He offers us something very different to what we have. He is the sort of striker Bae and Million could feed off
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Post by themistocles on Jul 27, 2024 16:53:43 GMT
Sam Gallagher...
Has anyone seen Jared ?
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Post by loustokiefc on Jul 27, 2024 16:54:20 GMT
It'd be an underwhelming one, but wouldn't be amazed Kieran Mckenna was desperate to get him for Ipswich last season and he knows a thing or two that bloke. Serious manager. Ill take him
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Post by baconburger on Jul 27, 2024 16:56:26 GMT
It'd be an underwhelming one, but wouldn't be amazed Kieran Mckenna was desperate to get him for Ipswich last season and he knows a thing or two that bloke. Serious manager. Ill take him Believe it or not SAF signed plenty that bombed too.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 27, 2024 16:57:33 GMT
For the love of Christ, please not Sam Gallagher.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 16:59:01 GMT
Kieran Mckenna was desperate to get him for Ipswich last season and he knows a thing or two that bloke. Serious manager. Ill take him Believe it or not SAF signed plenty that bombed too. Eric Djemba Djemba always sticks in my memory
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