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Post by stuammo on Jul 11, 2024 17:18:19 GMT
What’s the big pull of Hull all of a sudden. Maybe the £20 million they're getting for Bidace? And another £15m for Jacob Greaves. Was a rumoured £35m double deal to Ipswich initially
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 17:31:53 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 11, 2024 18:07:25 GMT
For years we've bemoaned Stoke managers for being too stubborn and now we have one that listened to his players and in turn got some very good results, kept us up and in the end was playing much better football and scoring goals. Yet it's still not good enough for some on here. Simply can't win with some people lol. It's taken you 16 years to figure that one out? 😀
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 11, 2024 18:09:00 GMT
What’s the big pull of Hull all of a sudden. Cash. Same pull as any football club.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 11, 2024 22:27:07 GMT
Let me rephrase that. In my opinion if he had continued with the attacking fullback formation I believe we would have gone down. So did most of the fans watching those games. So did the players. And so, eventually, did Schumacher. Schimacher went more defensive. And we survived. Job done. We might have survived if Schumacher had carried on doing what he was doing through that awful run but the onus of proof is on you to explain why that would have happened. Ì can say with absolute certainty that going more defensive saved us from relegation because the fact is we avoided relegation. It is you, not me who is indulging in what ifs. Incidentally that isn't conformstion bias, its confirmation. You're right that's your opinion all the rest is fluff. There's no onus on me for anything I'm not trying to turn opinions into facts. Your last line is bollox you can't confirm your opinion of a hypothetical. The bold was all that was necessary We went negative. Results improved. We survived. That isn't hypothetical it is what happened. It's fact, not opinion. You are saying if Schumacher carried on playing positive football we might have survived. That might have happened. However it isn't what happened. That is opinion, not fact. Can't you see the difference?
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Post by callas12 on Jul 11, 2024 22:38:16 GMT
Suprised this thread hasnt been updated for four hours now with any rumours, theres usually some friendly match terrace/stand transfer chitter chatter amongst the Stokies.
Seems that the locks are well and truely shut tight on our current transfer business speculation right now.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 23:09:25 GMT
You're going on like it was Pulis binary season type stuff but it wasn't plus it was always going to be a temporary fix to a glaring problem, we were sinking without a trace. Schumacher was open and honest enough post season to open up about what went on behind closed doors, not many managers would have been that honest and he should be applauded for that. We saw in the last few games more of how he wants to play and with us hopefully recruiting with that in mind this summer, we will be more than happy with how we set up going in to the new season. It wasn’t far off and it didn’t work. It solved nothing. I hope so too but he showed that at the first sign of trouble and it wasn’t actually trouble that he will shit himself. Well according to you he shouldn’t even be picking the team so it’s hard to blame him.
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Post by whatsashig on Jul 11, 2024 23:11:07 GMT
Suprised this thread hasnt been updated for four hours now with any rumours, theres usually some friendly match terrace/stand transfer chitter chatter amongst the Stokies. Seems that the locks are well and truely shut tight on our current transfer business speculation right now. Wait for half time on sundee😉
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 12, 2024 0:03:31 GMT
You're right that's your opinion all the rest is fluff. There's no onus on me for anything I'm not trying to turn opinions into facts. Your last line is bollox you can't confirm your opinion of a hypothetical. The bold was all that was necessary We went negative. Results improved. We survived. That isn't hypothetical it is what happened. It's fact, not opinion. You are saying if Schumacher carried on playing positive football we might have survived. That might have happened. However it isn't what happened. That is opinion, not fact. Can't you see the difference? Well said. However, I believe the more accurate term you are looking for is ‘conjecture’
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Post by george2again on Jul 12, 2024 4:02:28 GMT
Two strikers a bare minimum. Imagine been left with Ennis and Mmaee as your front line = bottom 6. These two should be 3 and 4. One perm one loan. Younger lads on loan. That's assuming they have a shit season....well capable far better. Mmaee is quality, Ennis is a fighter. So with the right attitude to the start of the season ...who knows Mmaee is quality? Based on what? He’s has no attributes that lend him to the English game. The odd flick here or there doesn’t seduce me at all. As yet he’s another to be added to graveyard of strikers. Manager would not doubt sell immediately for the right offer. Awful player for me.
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Post by george2again on Jul 12, 2024 4:07:14 GMT
Still can’t see either of them getting 10+ goals. We need strikers that score regularly. Oh right. How do you guarantee that then? Ssurely when you buy a player you don't give up after one season Showed barely nothing in his performance, little goal return, disruption in camp, tried to offload in Jan, Gives a little hint to where it’s going.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 12, 2024 4:20:29 GMT
What we reckoning? 1 in before cork?
It’s eerily quiet
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2024 6:00:56 GMT
It wasn’t far off and it didn’t work. It solved nothing. I hope so too but he showed that at the first sign of trouble and it wasn’t actually trouble that he will shit himself. I will refer you to my previous comment to you; Christ you talk some shite! So in your opinion after 6 weeks you saw him change his philosophy and become negative yes? So after 6 weeks of him in the job we had just played Leicester. In the 16 games from that point we scored 21 goals and gained 24 points. In the 16 games prior we had scored 12 and gained 13 points? Its laughable mate! The Leicester game was one of the first where he was a negative twat. We sat back and hoped we could Nick a point. It was fucking awful.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2024 6:02:05 GMT
You're right that's your opinion all the rest is fluff. There's no onus on me for anything I'm not trying to turn opinions into facts. Your last line is bollox you can't confirm your opinion of a hypothetical. The bold was all that was necessary We went negative. Results improved. We survived. That isn't hypothetical it is what happened. It's fact, not opinion. You are saying if Schumacher carried on playing positive football we might have survived. That might have happened. However it isn't what happened. That is opinion, not fact. Can't you see the difference? Results improved? He started well, the middle was shit and the end was good.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 12, 2024 6:06:39 GMT
Come on Stoke its Friday get the transfer done 😄
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Post by baconburger on Jul 12, 2024 6:29:34 GMT
You're right that's your opinion all the rest is fluff. There's no onus on me for anything I'm not trying to turn opinions into facts. Your last line is bollox you can't confirm your opinion of a hypothetical. The bold was all that was necessary We went negative. Results improved. We survived. That isn't hypothetical it is what happened. It's fact, not opinion. You are saying if Schumacher carried on playing positive football we might have survived. That might have happened. However it isn't what happened. That is opinion, not fact. Can't you see the difference? Not really we went negative and picked up some points but then changed again from Plymouth (H) onwards and won the last three games. Without those 9 pts we could still have gone down. So because you believe it was right you’re crediting going negative with saving us from relegation it didn’t 56 -9 = 47 Birmingham were relegated with 50 pts. Even 3 draws could have seen us relegated had we continued with our goal a game average.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 12, 2024 6:36:11 GMT
So with them leaving for Ireland, today or tomorrow, we basically have another week without any further signings. Would have been nice for a couple more to integrate 🤔.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2024 6:41:56 GMT
So with them leaving for Ireland, today or tomorrow, we basically have another week without any further signings. Would have been nice for a couple more to integrate 🤔. Preston have signed someone whilst they are out in Spain and have managed to get him out there, so I don't think we'll have any issues getting someone across the Irish sea should something drop. 😉
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 12, 2024 6:45:40 GMT
We went negative. Results improved. We survived. That isn't hypothetical it is what happened. It's fact, not opinion. You are saying if Schumacher carried on playing positive football we might have survived. That might have happened. However it isn't what happened. That is opinion, not fact. Can't you see the difference? Results improved? He started well, the middle was shit and the end was good. There weren't 3 phases, there were 4. 1 Continuation of pragmatic approach started by Gallagher. Footballnot great, went well. 2 Introduction of attacking football based on fullback moving inside. Miserable failure that saw us in danger of relegation. Team weren't ready for the change in style. 3 Player led reversion to pragmatic football. Football not great but results improved and gave us a chance of survival. 4 Went back to a more attacking style but without the fullback experiment which sealed survival. Worked because results gave the players more confidence andSchunacher had had more time to work with the players on a more attacking style. You are conflating 2 and 3. 2 was an attempt to play attacking football that failed and caused a bad run of results and 3 was boring football that improved results. The Leicester game was a bit of an anomaly. Leicester like to play deep, suck teams in exploit the space in midfield and score from quick counter attacking football. We adopted the one off tactic of sitting back to avoid getting sucked in and leaving space- which wasn't a bad idea. Problem was they scored two early goals in quick succession, we were forced to take the game to Leicester, played into their hands and got battered.
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Post by gregstokie on Jul 12, 2024 6:45:49 GMT
Suprised this thread hasnt been updated for four hours now with any rumours, theres usually some friendly match terrace/stand transfer chitter chatter amongst the Stokies. Seems that the locks are well and truely shut tight on our current transfer business speculation right now. True dat
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 12, 2024 6:47:44 GMT
Big week for the rumours, I can feel the excitement building. My guess is no signings this week. Looks like I was right.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 12, 2024 6:48:52 GMT
My guess is no signings this week. Looks like I was right. Looks like I was betting on red when you were betting on black for shits and giggles 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 12, 2024 7:13:10 GMT
Looks like I was right. Looks like I was betting on red when you were betting on black for shits and giggles 🤷🏻♂️ Aye. It does feel like, other than maybe a couple of key positions, the squad has sufficient numbers.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 12, 2024 7:58:55 GMT
Looks like I was betting on red when you were betting on black for shits and giggles 🤷🏻♂️ Aye. It does feel like, other than maybe a couple of key positions, the squad has sufficient numbers. Christ I hope not, the squad still needs quite a bit of work both in and out to balance it up. We have a striker shortage, a lack of AM’s with any history of producing much in the way of output and a glut of deep lying central midfielders for a HC who only wants to field 1 of them.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 12, 2024 8:26:41 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jul 12, 2024 8:29:42 GMT
Proof the striker market hasn’t cooled at all since last Summer. I hope we’ve got a very big kitty.
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Post by lordb on Jul 12, 2024 8:36:59 GMT
Proof the striker market hasn’t cooled at all since last Summer. I hope we’ve got a very big kitty. Think we probably haven't if we aren't in for Parrott at that price
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jul 12, 2024 8:37:53 GMT
So with them leaving for Ireland, today or tomorrow, we basically have another week without any further signings. Would have been nice for a couple more to integrate 🤔. They're going to Ireland which is less than an hours flight, not some remote place in the middle of the Pacific or The Island from Lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2024 8:41:54 GMT
That's a lot of money for Parrott.
He certainly isn't cheep...
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 12, 2024 8:42:53 GMT
So with them leaving for Ireland, today or tomorrow, we basically have another week without any further signings. Would have been nice for a couple more to integrate 🤔. They're going to Ireland which is less than an hours flight, not some remote place in the middle of the Pacific or The Island from Lost. Well it is a land made by giants, containing leprachauns at the end of the rainbow.
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