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Cundle
May 6, 2024 8:37:58 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on May 6, 2024 8:37:58 GMT
I think a fair few supporters, perhaps not unfairly, panicked when he had that dip under Schumacher and decided very early that he was no good and therefore his signing was no good For me it wasn’t really Cundle. It was our failure to get a big, dirty centre back in to give our defence some backbone. We didn’t need a Cundle. We needed a Taggart or Jagielka. When was Jagielka ever a “big, dirty center back”? For a start, he was 5 foot 11 😉
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Post by outspaced on May 6, 2024 8:46:11 GMT
I think a fair few supporters, perhaps not unfairly, panicked when he had that dip under Schumacher and decided very early that he was no good and therefore his signing was no good For me it wasn’t really Cundle. It was our failure to get a big, dirty centre back in to give our defence some backbone. We didn’t need a Cundle. We needed a Taggart or Jagielka. Gerry Taggart. The memories. We were in for a long battle against relegation when we signed him and then we started off a great run of form and surged up the table, with John Eustace outstanding as well.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 6, 2024 8:53:39 GMT
Both Cundle and Hoever are rated at 3/4 million No shot is Hoever that cheap My guess is we could get both him and Cundle for that combined figure.
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Post by scfcadams on May 6, 2024 9:08:25 GMT
No shot is Hoever that cheap My guess is we could get both him and Cundle for that combined figure. And I have some magic beans to sell you
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Post by foxysgloves on May 6, 2024 9:14:28 GMT
For me it wasn’t really Cundle. It was our failure to get a big, dirty centre back in to give our defence some backbone. We didn’t need a Cundle. We needed a Taggart or Jagielka. When was Jagielka ever a “big, dirty center back”? For a start, he was 5 foot 11 😉 Was he!!?? Ok he was no Gerry Taggart. But he’d still have been an upgrade on the players who were in central defence this season.
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Post by monkeycat on May 6, 2024 9:40:28 GMT
Deal already agreed for Cundle To buy? Yes. Up to the player
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 9:42:32 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on May 6, 2024 9:42:32 GMT
My guess is we could get both him and Cundle for that combined figure. And I have some magic beans to sell you Why? What has Hoever done to demonstrate he's worth more than a couple of million? Liverpool clearly weren't bothered about keeping him and he has played for Wolves sparingly and not for 3 years since when he's been on loan at PSV and with us. I like him and I'd have him back at the right price ie a couple of mil or even on loan. But as good as he's been for us at times he's also been diabolically poor particularly in the defensive third. I've not seen anything in him that marks him out as a Premier League player worth even half what Wolves paid for him 4 years ago. If we've got that sort of money to splash on one player then it needs to be spent at the top end of the pitch to address our chronic lack of goals. PS if Wolves are asking that sort of money we should politely decline.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 9:46:09 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 9:46:09 GMT
And I have some magic beans to sell you Why? What has Hoever done to demonstrate he's worth more than a couple of million? Liverpool clearly weren't bothered about keeping him and he has played for Wolves sparingly and not for 3 years since when he's been on loan at PSV and with us. I like him and I'd have him back at the right price ie a couple of mil or even on loan. But as good as he's been for us at times he's also been diabolically poor particularly in the defensive third. I've not seen anything in him that marks him out as a Premier League player worth even half what Wolves paid for him 4 years ago. If we've got that sort of money to splash on one player then it needs to be spent at the top end of the pitch to address our chronic lack of goals. wolves would need 3.5 mil to cover ffp so won’t let him go for less as they’re walking a ffp as it is
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 9:50:22 GMT
Why? What has Hoever done to demonstrate he's worth more than a couple of million? Liverpool clearly weren't bothered about keeping him and he has played for Wolves sparingly and not for 3 years since when he's been on loan at PSV and with us. I like him and I'd have him back at the right price ie a couple of mil or even on loan. But as good as he's been for us at times he's also been diabolically poor particularly in the defensive third. I've not seen anything in him that marks him out as a Premier League player worth even half what Wolves paid for him 4 years ago. If we've got that sort of money to splash on one player then it needs to be spent at the top end of the pitch to address our chronic lack of goals. wolves would need 3.5 mil to cover ffp so won’t let him go for less as they’re walking a ffp as it is Which can be offset at the same time with the profit on Cundle as already explained but you’d rather bury your head in the sand.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 9:52:27 GMT
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 9:52:27 GMT
When was Jagielka ever a “big, dirty center back”? For a start, he was 5 foot 11 😉 Was he!!?? Ok he was no Gerry Taggart. But he’d still have been an upgrade on the players who were in central defence this season. He was a liability. Slow as a cart horse and regularly bullied. If it wasn’t for his previous career he’d have been slated on a weekly basis.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 9:55:03 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on May 6, 2024 9:55:03 GMT
Why? What has Hoever done to demonstrate he's worth more than a couple of million? Liverpool clearly weren't bothered about keeping him and he has played for Wolves sparingly and not for 3 years since when he's been on loan at PSV and with us. I like him and I'd have him back at the right price ie a couple of mil or even on loan. But as good as he's been for us at times he's also been diabolically poor particularly in the defensive third. I've not seen anything in him that marks him out as a Premier League player worth even half what Wolves paid for him 4 years ago. If we've got that sort of money to splash on one player then it needs to be spent at the top end of the pitch to address our chronic lack of goals. wolves would need 3.5 mil to cover ffp so won’t let him go for less as they’re walking a ffp as it is Yes I can see ffp might come into it. And if so I think £3m is a bit rich for him especially considering the wages he'd be on as well. So a loan it must be then.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 9:55:36 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 9:55:36 GMT
wolves would need 3.5 mil to cover ffp so won’t let him go for less as they’re walking a ffp as it is Which can be offset at the same time with the profit on Cundle as already explained but you’d rather bury your head in the sand. who says we’re signing Cundle , the discussion is about Hoever , and how do you know wolves would except ur proposal, ur just presuming you know everything like normal when you actually know fuck all
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 10:03:04 GMT
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 10:03:04 GMT
Which can be offset at the same time with the profit on Cundle as already explained but you’d rather bury your head in the sand. who says we’re signing Cundle , the discussion is about Hoever , and how do you know wolves would except ur proposal, ur just presuming you know everything like normal when you actually know fuck all I can add up which is more than you seem able to do. You seem to always think we’re skint and right up against it in terms of FFP. Suppose it’s a tactic for avoiding any expectations and being disappointed. No one knows whether Wolves or the players would accept any proposal but your reasons why the proposal is a non starter are bogus.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 10:04:12 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 10:04:12 GMT
who says we’re signing Cundle , the discussion is about Hoever , and how do you know wolves would except ur proposal, ur just presuming you know everything like normal when you actually know fuck all I can add up which is more than you seem able to do. You seem to always think we’re skint and right up against it in terms of FFP. Suppose it’s a tactic for avoiding any expectations and being disappointed. No one knows whether Wolves or the players would accept any proposal but your reasons why the proposal is a non starter are bogus. far from it , i’ve already previously posted we will have a good budget this season
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 10:08:00 GMT
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 10:08:00 GMT
I can add up which is more than you seem able to do. You seem to always think we’re skint and right up against it in terms of FFP. Suppose it’s a tactic for avoiding any expectations and being disappointed. No one knows whether Wolves or the players would accept any proposal but your reasons why the proposal is a non starter are bogus. far from it , i’ve already previously posted we will have a good budget this season Where did you hear that JC. He said the same last closed season. Then followed it with a negative net spend when Souttar considered and our wage bill dropping as low as 17th in the league according to some published reports. Who is it we’re competing with?
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 10:08:27 GMT
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Post by scfcadams on May 6, 2024 10:08:27 GMT
I can add up which is more than you seem able to do. You seem to always think we’re skint and right up against it in terms of FFP. Suppose it’s a tactic for avoiding any expectations and being disappointed. No one knows whether Wolves or the players would accept any proposal but your reasons why the proposal is a non starter are bogus. far from it , i’ve already previously posted we will have a good budget this season What’s “good” to you?
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 10:09:24 GMT
far from it , i’ve already previously posted we will have a good budget this season What’s “good” to you? 8-10 mil
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Post by cvillestokie on May 6, 2024 10:16:36 GMT
Why? What has Hoever done to demonstrate he's worth more than a couple of million? Liverpool clearly weren't bothered about keeping him and he has played for Wolves sparingly and not for 3 years since when he's been on loan at PSV and with us. I like him and I'd have him back at the right price ie a couple of mil or even on loan. But as good as he's been for us at times he's also been diabolically poor particularly in the defensive third. I've not seen anything in him that marks him out as a Premier League player worth even half what Wolves paid for him 4 years ago. If we've got that sort of money to splash on one player then it needs to be spent at the top end of the pitch to address our chronic lack of goals. wolves would need 3.5 mil to cover ffp so won’t let him go for less as they’re walking a ffp as it is He also signed a brand new contract (presumably on better terms) just before this loan. Hoever is way out of our price range. They’ll make more money loaning him out for the next few years like Chelsea did with Baker et al.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 6, 2024 10:24:03 GMT
Was he!!?? Ok he was no Gerry Taggart. But he’d still have been an upgrade on the players who were in central defence this season. He was a liability. Slow as a cart horse and regularly bullied. If it wasn’t for his previous career he’d have been slated on a weekly basis. I thought he was generally good and at times excellent.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 11:12:38 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on May 6, 2024 11:12:38 GMT
wolves would need 3.5 mil to cover ffp so won’t let him go for less as they’re walking a ffp as it is He also signed a brand new contract (presumably on better terms) just before this loan. Hoever is way out of our price range. They’ll make more money loaning him out for the next few years like Chelsea did with Baker et al. If that’s the case I’d get him on a season long loan again. He’s getting better week by week.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 11:23:45 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 6, 2024 11:23:45 GMT
wolves would need 3.5 mil to cover ffp so won’t let him go for less as they’re walking a ffp as it is He also signed a brand new contract (presumably on better terms) just before this loan. Hoever is way out of our price range. They’ll make more money loaning him out for the next few years like Chelsea did with Baker et al. We also don't really need him, we're well enough stocked at RB/RWB. Better to spend the money elsewhere.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 11:27:40 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 6, 2024 11:27:40 GMT
Good news catters Hope it happens
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 11:56:45 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 6, 2024 11:56:45 GMT
who says we’re signing Cundle , the discussion is about Hoever , and how do you know wolves would except ur proposal, ur just presuming you know everything like normal when you actually know fuck all I can add up which is more than you seem able to do. You seem to always think we’re skint and right up against it in terms of FFP. Suppose it’s a tactic for avoiding any expectations and being disappointed. No one knows whether Wolves or the players would accept any proposal but your reasons why the proposal is a non starter are bogus. you two are the same person aren't you?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 6, 2024 11:59:30 GMT
Were we not on the verge of buying him in January? I wonder if we had an option to buy and now we are free to exercise that option I'm sure I remember we were and a figure of £1.5m rings a bell. So unless we decided that was a bit rich then and loaned him til the summer when he might be a bit cheaper or we could better afford the £1.5m? I'm not sure mate but i wouldn't be surprised if we had an option to buy in there, since it seemed we were about to sign him perm, then it was delayed a bit, then it was a loan. It would fit in with what monkeycat is saying ie a deal being done already and it's up to the player. We may have exercised the option and agreed the fee that was set in the January agreement, and now it's just up to the player to decide
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 12:12:21 GMT
He’s had 3 good games.
Anything over 350-500k based on that would be mad.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 6, 2024 12:19:55 GMT
He’s had 3 good games. Anything over 350-500k based on that would be mad. He's worth 1 to 1.5m million but I wouldn't spend more than that on him.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 12:20:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 12:20:47 GMT
He’s had 3 good games. Anything over 350-500k based on that would be mad. He's worth 1 to 1.5m million but I wouldn't spend more than that on him. Is he? Why? He’s done nothing.
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 12:20:56 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 12:20:56 GMT
He’s had 3 good games. Anything over 350-500k based on that would be mad. you’re not buying a player from a premier league club for that
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Cundle
May 6, 2024 12:21:09 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 12:21:09 GMT
He’s had 3 good games. Anything over 350-500k based on that would be mad. you’re not buying a player from a premier league club for that Indeed.
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 12:37:34 GMT
He’s had 3 good games. Anything over 350-500k based on that would be mad. Why the fuck do you keep embarrassing yourself with the tripe you spout.
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