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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 11, 2024 9:36:43 GMT
We've never been quite the same since the storm which took down the corner of the Butler Street stand roof. Once they stopped selling Klix and those Fish and Chips crisps , we've been jinxed
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Post by baconburger on Apr 11, 2024 9:37:12 GMT
The buck stops with the owners, end of story. But if you had to pick one other person it would still be Gary Rowett, his pathetic attempts at spending £50m set us back 4/5 years........ The board even before that. If they’d invested that money on top of the Arnie fee we’d have been nowhere near relegation. Their complacency relegated us. No Summer net spend. No money on goals, shit loads on CB’s. In the shit in January £20M+ on a RB and a DM. Lessons not learned we still don’t spend enough on goals, we still can’t score. Can’t think for the life of me why.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 11, 2024 9:51:17 GMT
Responsible- several parties as stated, accountable John Coates alone.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 11, 2024 10:16:11 GMT
You have to start at the very top & work your way down to the car park attendents.
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Post by matelot1996 on Apr 11, 2024 10:21:48 GMT
It’s not all on Schumacher but he has to take some responsibility. The rot set in at the start of the relegation season and there’s plenty that played there part and yes there is one consistent but who’s responsible this season. As a percentage I’d say Neil - 30 Schumacher - 15 Martin - 20 Dublin - 10 The board - 5 The players - 20 I’ve said this in another thread today but I believe it was Bob Paisley who said something like. The Players or Manager are never the problem. It’s the ethos and principles of the club. Paraphrasing - If the ethos and principles of the club are sound and built on good foundations that will breed excellence. So in answer to your question - 100% the club owners fault.
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 11, 2024 10:27:25 GMT
I thik its the man at the top, out of his depth with too much money to spend
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 11, 2024 10:28:39 GMT
We've never been quite the same since the storm which took down the corner of the Butler Street stand roof. Jesus hates City! 😁
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 11, 2024 10:34:33 GMT
Kitson 51%
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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 11, 2024 16:37:50 GMT
Well it has got to be the recruitment. They had a glorious chance to put together a team with potential and did not do that.
They failed to recruit a first team -
Gk (should of signed a perm) Lb (stevens has played well when fit but not enough cover) Cbx2 Lwx2 vidigal is awful Rwx2 leris.... Camx1 to give junho competition Stx3 all of ours are dogshit, Mmaee the exception but i expect him gone come the end of the season.
You can go on and on about this squad. Shambles.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 11, 2024 16:51:46 GMT
Rowett 50/50 Kitson
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Post by onionman on Apr 11, 2024 16:53:25 GMT
This needs a Venn diagram.
Lots of little overlapping circles containing words like "recruitment", "the players", "Rowett", "Schumacher", "Neil", "Martin", "Boothen End roof", "Second World War", "Port Vale" and "the fans".
Then one massive circle in the middle of it all with a picture of John Coates.
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Post by questionable on Apr 11, 2024 17:07:44 GMT
John Coates entirely
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Post by milky on Apr 11, 2024 17:20:14 GMT
John Coates without question.
He had such a hard on for Alex Neil he went after him twice ( shades of Rowett) and allowed him to do what the fuck he wanted.
Then he went for a very inexperienced manager ,who may still turn out decent but who has made mistakes and so we are where we are.
He has been an unmitigated disaster since taking the reigns from Daddy,he is not capable of running a football club without it turning to shit.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 11, 2024 17:27:54 GMT
The signings of Nail Ennis and Luke Cundle - 20%
Martin - 30%
Neil - 30%
John Coates - 20%
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Post by matelot1996 on Apr 13, 2024 10:59:29 GMT
Well it has got to be the recruitment. They had a glorious chance to put together a team with potential and did not do that. They failed to recruit a first team - Gk (should of signed a perm) Lb (stevens has played well when fit but not enough cover) Cbx2 Lwx2 vidigal is awful Rwx2 leris.... Camx1 to give junho competition Stx3 all of ours are dogshit, Mmaee the exception but i expect him gone come the end of the season. You can go on and on about this squad. Shambles. Everything good or bad comes from the demands and principles of the owners. Stoke has been a haven for chancers and frauds for too long because that is what the owners accept. Nobody is expected to excel or improve when employed by Stoke. It is a Clown show run by clowns. So still 100% on the owners.
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Post by tuum on Apr 13, 2024 11:11:53 GMT
I understand your frustration but I strongly disagree. Hold him accountable if you want because he sanctioned the apoointment of managers etc but there are so many variables involved in success that it's nonsense to suggest it is all on his shoulders.
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Post by tony10 on Apr 13, 2024 11:15:06 GMT
The axe has been falling since John coates took over. Wrong choices in manager and multi millions of pounds spent and lost. If he hadn’t got a cash cow of bet365, he would of been bankrupt a long time ago.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 13, 2024 11:19:45 GMT
The one constant, still being let off by a number of Stokies.
"But what about 2008-17"?
Er, Wigan achieved more.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 13, 2024 11:22:39 GMT
I understand your frustration but I strongly disagree. Hold him accountable if you want because he sanctioned the apoointment of managers etc but there are so many variables involved in success that it's nonsense to suggest it is all on his shoulders. Since he took over from his dad we’ve experienced near constant failure, the only arguable success or at least not a failure being MON. It’s not even using hindsight, the vast majority of decisions have been obviously the wrong ones from the start. He hasn’t a clue what he’s doing and has been given control of our football club simply because of who he’s lucky enough to have as his father.
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Post by tuum on Apr 13, 2024 11:29:41 GMT
I understand your frustration but I strongly disagree. Hold him accountable if you want because he sanctioned the apoointment of managers etc but there are so many variables involved in success that it's nonsense to suggest it is all on his shoulders. Since he took over from his dad we’ve experienced near constant failure, the only arguable success or at least not a failure being MON. It’s not even using hindsight, the vast majority of decisions have been obviously the wrong ones from the start. He hasn’t a clue what he’s doing and has been given control of our football club simply because of who he’s lucky enough to have as his father. We were failing under his Dad before JC took over. JC was appointed joint chairman alongside his Dad in 2020. Do you think JC takes decisions in a vacuum? I don't know but I suspect Dad Coates had a big say in the appointment of Alex Neil.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 13, 2024 11:32:09 GMT
It’s not all on Schumacher but he has to take some responsibility. The rot set in at the start of the relegation season and there’s plenty that played there part and yes there is one consistent but who’s responsible this season. As a percentage I’d say Neil - 30 Schumacher - 15 Martin - 20 Dublin - 10 The board - 5 The players - 20 I’d say the rot started with those ridiculous over the top signings of Berahino, Imbula & Wimmer with their eye watering salaries. This would have disturbed dressing room moral seeing these wasters drawing a kings ransom for doing fuck all. Following relegation Rowetts £50m jizzfest meant FFP was going to be a massive issue when we then struggled. Also over the last few seasons what we haven’t had is a decent leader on the pitch and dressing room stepping up to the plate to motivate by example and sort out any indiscipline.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 13, 2024 11:41:32 GMT
We made a complete mess of moving the club from the god manager structure to the Sporting Director/Head Coach structure.
How it should be done:
1 Sack god manager at the end of the season 2 Appoint permanent Sporting Director 3 Appoint Head Coach who fits the profile decided by the Sporting Director in time to prepare team for new season
What we did:
1 Sack god manager (MoN) at the start of the season 2 Appoint another god manager (Neil) who can't work with the existing squad 3 Let god manager appoint Technical Director (?) 4 Sack god manager mid season 5 Allow Technical Director to appoint Head Coach 6 Sack Technical Director 7 Appoint temporary Technical Director 8 Retain existing Head Coach and hope they see eye to eye with temporary Technical Director 8 Change the role from Technical Director to Sporting Director and appoint temporary Technical Director to the post
If you were going to script a "how not to" management training video that would be it.
I'm also not convinced that Schumacher was the right choice for the situation we are in. He may well go on to become a decent head coach but we were in a worse state than the club realised and his inexperience has been exposed. We may well survive and with a preseason his qualities might come through but for me it was a very risky decision to appoint him.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 13, 2024 11:44:07 GMT
It’s not all on Schumacher but he has to take some responsibility. The rot set in at the start of the relegation season and there’s plenty that played there part and yes there is one consistent but who’s responsible this season. As a percentage I’d say Neil - 30 Schumacher - 15 Martin - 20 Dublin - 10 The board - 5 The players - 20 Players 20% seriously?!?? Surely they are at least 50% responsible.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 13, 2024 11:46:16 GMT
John Coates 100 It can't be anything else. It's his club, run his way. None of the employees at the club employ themselves. They are literally hand picked by Coates. That shot on TV last night of him hanging on Walter's every word was downright embarrassing. A new Technical Director with 6 months experience. Joke. So you totally absolve players and managers who are paid eye watering amounts to perform once or sometimes twice a week. And have largely failed. Can’t agree with that.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 13, 2024 11:46:31 GMT
The strikers.
They make lethal Keith look good
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Post by baconburger on Apr 13, 2024 11:47:08 GMT
We made a complete mess of moving the club from the god manager structure to the Sporting Director/Head Coach structure. How it should be done: 1 Sack god manager at the end of the season 2 Appoint permanent Sporting Director 3 Appoint Head Coach who fits the profile decided by the Sporting Director in time to prepare team for new season What we did: 1 Sack god manager (MoN) at the start of the season 2 Appoint another god manager (Neil) who can't work with the existing squad 3 Let god manager appoint Technical Director (?) 4 Sack god manager mid season 5 Allow Technical Director to appoint Head Coach 6 Sack Technical Director 7 Appoint temporary Technical Director 8 Retain existing Head Coach and hope they see eye to eye with temporary Technical Director 8 Change the role from Technical Director to Sporting Director and appoint temporary Technical Director to the post If you were going to script a "how not to" management training video that would be it. I'm also not convinced that Schumacher was the right choice for the situation we are in. He may well go on to become a decent head coach but we were in a worse state than the club realised and his inexperience has been exposed. We may well survive and with a preseason his qualities might come through but for me it was a very risky decision to appoint him. You've missed a bit we should not have allowed Schu to bring in all his backroom team, 1 x assistant no more. You're trying to prevent cliques not import them. Especially ones with very little pedigree.
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Post by bangorstokie on Apr 13, 2024 11:48:36 GMT
Without a shadow of a doubt JOHN “ I HAVENT GOT A FUCKING CLUE “ COATES.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 13, 2024 11:49:36 GMT
The strikers. They make lethal Keith look good Striker recruitment has been negligent since the back end of Hughes tenure.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 13, 2024 11:50:10 GMT
John Coates 100 It can't be anything else. It's his club, run his way. None of the employees at the club employ themselves. They are literally hand picked by Coates. That shot on TV last night of him hanging on Walter's every word was downright embarrassing. A new Technical Director with 6 months experience. Joke. So you totally absolve players and managers who are paid eye watering amounts to perform once or sometimes twice a week. And have largely failed. Can’t agree with that. Players are picked by sub standard managers. Sub standard managers are employed by the man at the top. If one or two were outliers in amongst a sea of achievement I'd agree. We've seen a succession of underachievement which can only point to one thing. The man at the top is no good at his job.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 13, 2024 11:52:39 GMT
So you totally absolve players and managers who are paid eye watering amounts to perform once or sometimes twice a week. And have largely failed. Can’t agree with that. Players are picked by sub standard managers. Sub standard managers are employed by the man at the top. If one or two were outliers in amongst a sea of achievement I'd agree. We've seen a succession of underachievement which can only point to one thing. The man at the top is no good at his job. No consistency of thought.
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