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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 13, 2024 18:59:41 GMT
Agreed mate. Don't really need to work when you've got a comfy hotel to go to with all expenses paid though. And they’re not allowed to work of course……. Yes that’s the point!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 13, 2024 19:08:11 GMT
A big chunk of the jobless will be immigrants. That’s pretty clear from walking around town centres in the afternoon Agreed mate. Don't really need to work when you've got a comfy hotel to go to with all expenses paid though. They get £7-a-day and aren't allowed to work or access a lot of services, but it's definitely them who are to blame for the state of this country. Nice one.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 13, 2024 19:25:45 GMT
Agreed mate. Don't really need to work when you've got a comfy hotel to go to with all expenses paid though. And they’re not allowed to work of course……. Or not included in Official Population Statistics until a determination of their Status has been finanalised But why let Official Statistics get in the way of a popular myth.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 13, 2024 19:28:31 GMT
Agreed mate. Don't really need to work when you've got a comfy hotel to go to with all expenses paid though. They get £7-a-day and aren't allowed to work or access a lot of services, but it's definitely them who are to blame for the state of this country. Nice one. I was merely stating that most of the folk you see out and about who clearly don’t work are immigrants. Nothing else
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Post by wannabee on Mar 13, 2024 19:29:26 GMT
And they’re not allowed to work of course……. Yes that’s the point! Or are not included in Population, Employment or Unemployment Statistics so the point is invalid
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 13, 2024 19:30:31 GMT
Or are not included in Population, Employment or Unemployment Statistics so the point isnt invalid Do you want me to unleash Oggy? Because I will and you’ll never get that time back
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 13, 2024 19:39:01 GMT
Or are not included in Population, Employment or Unemployment Statistics so the point isnt invalid Do you want me to unleash Oggy? Because I will and you’ll never get that time back You called!? I agree with Wannabee. Immigrants tend to be net contributors to the treasury. It tends to be brits who are the biggest net drain to the tax payer. Do these stats of 1 in 5 adults not working include those in education? I assume so?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2024 19:51:06 GMT
Do you want me to unleash Oggy? Because I will and you’ll never get that time back You called!? I agree with Wannabee. Immigrants tend to be net contributors to the treasury. It tends to be brits who are the biggest net drain to the tax payer. Do these stats of 1 in 5 adults not working include those in education? I assume so?
Our findings show that immigrants to the UK who arrived since 2000, and for whom we observe their entire migration history, have made consistently positive fiscal contributions regardless of their area of origin. Between 2001 and 2011 recent immigrants from the A10 countries contributed to the fiscal system about 12% more than they took out, with a net fiscal contribution of about £5 billion. At the same time the net fiscal contributions of recent European immigrants from the rest of the EU totalled £15bn, with fiscal payments about 64% higher than transfers received. Immigrants from outside the EU countries made a net fiscal contribution of about £5.2 billion, thus paying into the system about 3% more than they took out. In contrast, over the same period, natives made an overall negative fiscal contribution of £616.5 billion. The net fiscal balance of overall immigration to the UK between 2001 and 2011 amounts therefore to a positive net contribution of about £25 billion, over a period over which the UK has run an overall budget deficit.
Our analysis thus suggests that – rather than being a drain on the UK’s fiscal system – immigrants arriving since the early 2000s have made a net contributions to its public finances, a reality that contrasts starkly with the view often maintained in public debate.
This conclusion is further supported by our evidence on the degree to which immigrants receive tax credits and benefits compared with natives. Recent immigrants are 43% (17 percentage points) less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits. These differences are partly attributable to immigrants’ more favourable age-gender composition. However, even when compared with natives of the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 39% less likely than natives to receive benefits.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 13, 2024 19:58:25 GMT
Do you want me to unleash Oggy? Because I will and you’ll never get that time back You called!? I agree with Wannabee. Immigrants tend to be net contributors to the treasury. It tends to be brits who are the biggest net drain to the tax payer. Do these stats of 1 in 5 adults not working include those in education? I assume so? No it doesn't, the definition is A person is economically inactive if they are: Out of work Not actively looking for work Not waiting to start a job Not in full-time education Caring for their family Retired For those interested in understanding the Demographic Breakdown www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/economic-inactivity/latest/
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 13, 2024 20:06:46 GMT
It is a lot of people not working!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 13, 2024 20:15:00 GMT
Here we go again
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 13, 2024 20:18:31 GMT
I think I set them off mate.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 13, 2024 20:20:10 GMT
Agreed mate. Don't really need to work when you've got a comfy hotel to go to with all expenses paid though. And they’re not allowed to work of course……. I agree mate and I did say that they don't really need to work didn't I.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 13, 2024 20:21:31 GMT
Agreed mate. Don't really need to work when you've got a comfy hotel to go to with all expenses paid though. They get £7-a-day and aren't allowed to work or access a lot of services, but it's definitely them who are to blame for the state of this country. Nice one. Where have I said they are to blame for the state of the country?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 13, 2024 20:34:43 GMT
They get £7-a-day and aren't allowed to work or access a lot of services, but it's definitely them who are to blame for the state of this country. Nice one. Where have I said they are to blame for the state of the country? Like rabid hyenas they come out in the evening to pounce
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 13, 2024 21:39:15 GMT
And they’re not allowed to work of course……. I agree mate and I did say that they don't really need to work didn't I. if I had to live on £7 a day mate I'd want to work. Many of them would love to fill some of the vacancies I keep hearing about I'm sure.......
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 13, 2024 21:46:47 GMT
They should expand the Rwanda scheme to include lazy arse Brits who can't be bothered to work. Might make em have a change of attitude 🤔 😆
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Post by wannabee on Mar 14, 2024 0:17:15 GMT
They should expand the Rwanda scheme to include lazy arse Brits who can't be bothered to work. Might make em have a change of attitude 🤔 😆 Are you in favour of forced labour then of Brits who are of no burden to the State?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 14, 2024 7:09:01 GMT
They should expand the Rwanda scheme to include lazy arse Brits who can't be bothered to work. Might make em have a change of attitude 🤔 😆 Are you in favour of forced labour then of Brits who are of no burden to the State? To be fair if they’re not able to work through genuine means (illness / being a carer / looking after young children) I don’t think anyone would have an issue. I think it’s the ones that abuse the benefits system that can work but choose not to that are the issue. Why shouldn’t they work like the rest of us (and there are plenty because I see them on an almost daily basis). I’m fully aware of the counter argument re the tax dodgers but 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 14, 2024 7:15:15 GMT
I'm far more concerned with the super rich avoiding paying tax to be honest.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 14, 2024 7:18:10 GMT
Are you in favour of forced labour then of Brits who are of no burden to the State? To be fair if they’re not able to work through genuine means (illness / being a carer / looking after young children) I don’t think anyone would have an issue. I think it’s the ones that abuse the benefits system that can work but choose not to that are the issue. Why shouldn’t they work like the rest of us (and there are plenty because I see them on an almost daily basis). I’m fully aware of the counter argument re the tax dodgers but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Where do you see them on a daily basis?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 14, 2024 8:03:38 GMT
They should expand the Rwanda scheme to include lazy arse Brits who can't be bothered to work. Might make em have a change of attitude 🤔 😆 Are you in favour of forced labour then of Brits who are of no burden to the State? Why so serious? Quite plainly its a joke.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 14, 2024 8:12:34 GMT
My experience is 50% of the people WITH jobs do no work either.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 14, 2024 9:35:23 GMT
My experience is 50% 100% of the people on the Oatcake WITH jobs do no work.
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Post by phileetin on Mar 14, 2024 10:00:22 GMT
I agree mate and I did say that they don't really need to work didn't I. if I had to live on £7 a day mate I'd want to work. Many of them would love to fill some of the vacancies I keep hearing about I'm sure....... i sometimes wonder if some of the chaps or chapesses at car wash / valeting places are supplementing their income (legally or illegally ) ?
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Post by wannabee on Mar 14, 2024 10:16:10 GMT
Are you in favour of forced labour then of Brits who are of no burden to the State? To be fair if they’re not able to work through genuine means (illness / being a carer / looking after young children) I don’t think anyone would have an issue. I think it’s the ones that abuse the benefits system that can work but choose not to that are the issue. Why shouldn’t they work like the rest of us (and there are plenty because I see them on an almost daily basis). I’m fully aware of the counter argument re the tax dodgers but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. But yours and the Maestro's points are entirely irrelevant those who are Economically Inactive do not receive Benefits they have simply decided not to work for various reasons
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 14, 2024 10:34:34 GMT
if I had to live on £7 a day mate I'd want to work. Many of them would love to fill some of the vacancies I keep hearing about I'm sure....... i sometimes wonder if some of the chaps or chapesses at car wash / valeting places are supplementing their income (legally or illegally ) ? You hear some horror stories around car washes, money laundering, human trafficking and slave labour etc. And yes I would imagine there are some cash in hand employees that are awaiting asylum as well, I know I would if I was in that situation.................
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 14, 2024 11:08:17 GMT
My experience is 50% of the people WITH jobs do no work either. Yeah. They're called "Management".
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 14, 2024 11:11:19 GMT
You called!? I agree with Wannabee. Immigrants tend to be net contributors to the treasury. It tends to be brits who are the biggest net drain to the tax payer. Do these stats of 1 in 5 adults not working include those in education? I assume so?
Our findings show that immigrants to the UK who arrived since 2000, and for whom we observe their entire migration history, have made consistently positive fiscal contributions regardless of their area of origin. Between 2001 and 2011 recent immigrants from the A10 countries contributed to the fiscal system about 12% more than they took out, with a net fiscal contribution of about £5 billion. At the same time the net fiscal contributions of recent European immigrants from the rest of the EU totalled £15bn, with fiscal payments about 64% higher than transfers received. Immigrants from outside the EU countries made a net fiscal contribution of about £5.2 billion, thus paying into the system about 3% more than they took out. In contrast, over the same period, natives made an overall negative fiscal contribution of £616.5 billion. The net fiscal balance of overall immigration to the UK between 2001 and 2011 amounts therefore to a positive net contribution of about £25 billion, over a period over which the UK has run an overall budget deficit.
Our analysis thus suggests that – rather than being a drain on the UK’s fiscal system – immigrants arriving since the early 2000s have made a net contributions to its public finances, a reality that contrasts starkly with the view often maintained in public debate.
This conclusion is further supported by our evidence on the degree to which immigrants receive tax credits and benefits compared with natives. Recent immigrants are 43% (17 percentage points) less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits. These differences are partly attributable to immigrants’ more favourable age-gender composition. However, even when compared with natives of the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 39% less likely than natives to receive benefits.
Not surprising. People who immigrate to a new country do so to work and either send money home to family or build a family in a new country. They are often young and are healthy enough to make a move to a new country (legally or illegally). A basic consideration of their demographics should be able to tell you that they are going to be net contributors.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 14, 2024 11:15:36 GMT
There must be a good percentage of folk in their late 50’s or early 60’s at the time of the pandemic who decided to take early retirement which put up the figures
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