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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 12, 2024 9:15:24 GMT
I posted this reply on the Ricky Martin thread but decided to create a thread (another) on this subject.
David Moyes has 5 months left on his contract, possibly not to be renewed.
Director of Football.
I wonder if;
1. JC would consider creating such a position and if he did would DM fit the bill? 2. If offered the opportunity would DM take up the challenge?
I’d be extremely surprised if JC isn’t already reviewing the footballing structure and the performance of RM. You couldn’t look much further for the necessary level of experience that DM could offer.
Just thinking out loud
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 12, 2024 9:19:16 GMT
Nurse!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 9:20:54 GMT
I posted this reply on the Ricky Martin thread but decided to create a thread (another) on this subject. David Moyes has 5 months left on his contract, possibly not to be renewed. Director of Football. I wonder if; 1. JC would consider creating such a position and if he did would DM fit the bill? 2. If offered the opportunity would DM take up the challenge? I’d be extremely surprised if JC isn’t already reviewing the footballing structure and the performance of RM. You couldn’t look much further for the necessary level of experience that DM could offer. Just thinking out loud Nowt else has worked so why not. Pulis could be good at this role and has a history with the club too? I'm at the try anything stage i think 😥
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2024 9:23:46 GMT
Of all the Stoke-linked suggestions, I like the MON one best.
But I'd be tempted to not go down that road. Emotion taken out of it so we don't end up with another disaster
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 12, 2024 9:31:42 GMT
I posted this reply on the Ricky Martin thread but decided to create a thread (another) on this subject. David Moyes has 5 months left on his contract, possibly not to be renewed. Director of Football. I wonder if; 1. JC would consider creating such a position and if he did would DM fit the bill? 2. If offered the opportunity would DM take up the challenge? I’d be extremely surprised if JC isn’t already reviewing the footballing structure and the performance of RM. You couldn’t look much further for the necessary level of experience that DM could offer. Just thinking out loud Nowt else has worked so why not. Pulis could be good at this role and has a history with the club too? I'm at the try anything stage i think 😥 Mickey. I’m in the camp that thinks TP was shafted by Scholes and young JC wasn’t wise enough (inexperienced) to see what was going on. But that’s in the past. It just so happens that I’d have tried to recruit Moyes into a DoF role after the sacking of MH. I do however think JC needs a strong, pragmatic and experienced football man to run things on his behalf. Ironically DM’s current position at WHU could provide an excellent opportunity for us. As I said just thinking out loud. This coming summer is going to massive for the club!!!
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 12, 2024 9:35:09 GMT
Of all the Stoke-linked suggestions, I like the MON one best. But I'd be tempted to not go down that road. Emotion taken out of it so we don't end up with another disaster Wasn't there something about MoN ultimately wanting to be a DoF? He'd be ideal. If we ever employ Moyes, I always hoped it'd be as manager.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2024 9:37:38 GMT
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Post by moon on Feb 12, 2024 9:40:57 GMT
Why would we want Moyes when Klopp is going to be available? and while we're at it, Zidane is still looking for work.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 12, 2024 9:41:43 GMT
If that's the case then what's not to like? Would he want to do it here though? I know what I'd say if a former employer who'd sacked me came begging. And before the standard response of £££ will get him here, not everybody works like that, and I'm not sure that MoN does.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 12, 2024 9:59:22 GMT
No way Moyes would come here. We're not fishing in that pond anymore.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Feb 12, 2024 9:59:39 GMT
I think Michael ONeil would be the ideal choice as Director of football ❤🤍
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 12, 2024 10:03:34 GMT
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Post by timbo1988 on Feb 12, 2024 10:09:03 GMT
Richard Hughes! Not Richard Smith!?
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 12, 2024 10:09:19 GMT
Rather than employing a failed former manager (MON) in a role he's never actually done before, why don't we do what a successful business would do and head hunt someone from another club who has experience and a good track record?
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Post by Roy Cropper on Feb 12, 2024 10:22:14 GMT
Rather than employing a failed former manager (MON) in a role he's never actually done before, why don't we do what a successful business would do and head hunt someone from another club who has experience and a good track record? This is what gets me about the Coates'. They're clearly brilliant business people, but seem to bring none of that into how they run the club? Almost as if they don't take the running of the club seriously enough - which I don't actually believe. Odd.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 12, 2024 10:24:00 GMT
Richard Hughes! Not Richard Smith!? Monday morning after the superbowl for you ![(slaphead)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/x7GhxArXJzjvmIlugu2X.gif)
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Post by jokker on Feb 12, 2024 10:45:05 GMT
If that's the case then what's not to like? Would he want to do it here though? I know what I'd say if a former employer who'd sacked me came begging. And before the standard response of £££ will get him here, not everybody works like that, and I'm not sure that MoN does. He returned, after some hesitation, to his old job for NI, which means that he has form for doing just that, but also would he be willing to leave NI in the lurch a second time? As for what he might say if an approach was made, well no one knows, but being sacked by a Coates isn't the worst thing that can happen, because they always do it in a gentlemanly manner, among which is a golden handshake much more handsomely than was contractually agreed. This means that MON, like all his colleagues in sacking, have good memories of their time here, never speak badly about the board or the club, and so could be in a frame of mind for whom a return wouldn't be, 'get lost'. Of course that means Rowett, among others, might also be approached, not to mention Mark Hughes...
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Post by stokeson on Feb 12, 2024 10:45:33 GMT
Rather than employing a failed former manager (MON) in a role he's never actually done before, why don't we do what a successful business would do and head hunt someone from another club who has experience and a good track record? This is what gets me about the Coates'. They're clearly brilliant business people, but seem to bring none of that into how they run the club? Almost as if they don't take the running of the club seriously enough - which I don't actually believe. Odd. The Coates Family have one brilliant business person Denise who has nothing to do with the club. Peter had a decent catering business with a few big clients. John collects dividends from his sisters acumen. We need his cash not his brains. If he can get past his ego and bring in a DOF we would be behind him 100%.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 12, 2024 10:46:46 GMT
This is what gets me about the Coates'. They're clearly brilliant business people, but seem to bring none of that into how they run the club? Almost as if they don't take the running of the club seriously enough - which I don't actually believe. Odd. The Coates Family have one brilliant business person Denise who has nothing to do with the club. Peter had a decent catering business with a few big clients. John collects dividends from his sisters acumen. We need his cash not his brains. If he can get past his ego and bring in a DOF we would be behind him 100%. He has done, he's brought in Ricky Martin.
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Post by stokeson on Feb 12, 2024 10:55:08 GMT
The Coates Family have one brilliant business person Denise who has nothing to do with the club. Peter had a decent catering business with a few big clients. John collects dividends from his sisters acumen. We need his cash not his brains. If he can get past his ego and bring in a DOF we would be behind him 100%. He has done, he's brought in Ricky Martin. Im not sure that John has the ability to get the right man in and so we are where we are.....................
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Post by independent on Feb 12, 2024 11:04:33 GMT
I get the logic of poaching a DOF with a proven record rather than taking a chance on an untried person but please don't fool yourself that if he is successful here, that he won't be poached by a bigger club. We need a system that is constantly identifying the best up and coming Managers and DOF. And undoubtedly we have the money available to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 11:16:04 GMT
Whoever came would be getting the blame for our demise within 3 months. Same as Martin, same as Scholes
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Post by pushon on Feb 12, 2024 11:27:51 GMT
Whoever came would be getting the blame for our demise within 3 months. Same as Martin, same as Scholes You're quite right. I think JC should just spend More Time at the job personally. He is, after all, the joint CEO of a Groundbreaking International Company. What could possibly go wrong🙃
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 12, 2024 11:32:53 GMT
Not a good time for DoFs in S-O-T
Looks like Flitcroft is the root of all evil at the sty
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 12, 2024 12:06:31 GMT
If we were to employ a DoF and restructure the club again, I would want someone in who has been successful as a DoF somewhere else. We have an inexperienced manager, a weak chairman and a poor Technical Director. Employing someone without experience in a DoF role and having them lead the restructuring of the club would be a very Stoke thing to do.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 12, 2024 12:58:42 GMT
We need more football people in the club, MON would definitely suit the role. There's not enough experience around the place not just for the manager but for the Coates family too.
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Post by karl on Feb 12, 2024 15:30:07 GMT
Sure MON could do both DOF and International Manger jobs.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 12, 2024 15:40:24 GMT
Sure MON could do both DOF and International Manger jobs. MON has never been a DoF. A qualification is not a guarantee of anything. How many shoddy electricians and mechanics are there out there? (for example). How many crap managers are there out there with good coaching qualifications? MON could be a great DoF, but he’d stand a better chance of becoming one by learning a new role in a company that doesn’t require him to put out fires. Who would be his mentor here (something every person new to a role would find useful)? John Coates?
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Post by baconburger on Feb 12, 2024 15:54:47 GMT
Christ and people complain RM’s got no pedigree.
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Post by jokker on Feb 12, 2024 15:56:03 GMT
Sure MON could do both DOF and International Manger jobs. MON has never been a DoF. A qualification is not a guarantee of anything. How many shoddy electricians and mechanics are there out there? (for example). How many crap managers are there out there with good coaching qualifications? MON could be a great DoF, but he’d stand a better chance of becoming one by learning a new role in a company that doesn’t require him to put out fires. Who would be his mentor here (something every person new to a role would find useful)? John Coates? If you can call NI 'a company' then he is doing - and has done in his previous stay . just that. He was/is a lot more than just team manager-coach, he was the general overseeing manager of every football level. He's never had to put out any fires in NI (he's very much a diplomatic person in a place where bombs still go off and certainly did in the past) because expectations were low and even if there were any, he outdid them to everyone's satisfaction. But then that could be held against him: his quasi DOF experience has been in a pressure-free zone. It wouldnt be in ST4, which of course he knows.
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