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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 10, 2024 20:16:20 GMT
Nothing to do with xenophobia. If we are recruiting players from leagues with lower standards than the championship then it's an issue Or is saying that some countries have lower standards of professional football, xenophobic? This. There’s too many that have either come from weaker leagues or have been let go or loaned because they’re just not good enough. When you look at the squad it’s totally lacking grit, spirit and experience with Burger being the main exception. The recruitments been shocking and it’s as clear as day that Schumacher hasn’t been backed. It was interesting that after the third goal Ange observed that he looked up at Tricky Ricky. Obvious errors - Iverson is not much better than Bonham and his kicking skills are dreadful. - Clearly missing a decent CB who’s an organiser, is good in the air and hard as nails - No fit LB with Stevens being a real shocker of a signing. - CM has looked decent at times though there’s been to much chopping and changing - Widemen none of them have pace - No strikers who score or hold the ball up None of this was addressed pre season or in the Jan window.
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Post by datguy on Feb 10, 2024 20:20:58 GMT
Nothing to do with xenophobia. If we are recruiting players from leagues with lower standards than the championship then it's an issue Or is saying that some countries have lower standards of professional football, xenophobic? We've recruited from the Championship though, and it has been just as bad. In fact, no. It's been worse. It does seem a bit odd, and perhaps agenda driven, to focus on the foreign side of recruitment when domestic additions have been awful. Recruitment has been awful. Full stop.
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Post by BlurtonRed on Feb 10, 2024 20:25:00 GMT
With the exception of Burger and Juhno it’s got to be said that the Dublin/Martin foreign route hasn’t worked.Yes it might be a lot cheaper but in my opinion it’s been a disaster Ffp is killing the quality in the championship. Could you imagine us being able loan the likes of Berger and Hendrie these days. Shit European free transfers don't work.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 20:26:10 GMT
Ive made my feelings clear on the subject mate Yes, you've said that the foreign recruitment hasn't worked and you've also said that the domestic recruitment hasn't worked but you believe that the issue is not with the recruitment per se but is specifically with the foreign players we've signed. Is that fair? The recruitment team made a conscious effort under Dublin to scour the continent for talent last summer rather than the domestic market and in my opinion it hasn’t worked and to more of an extent than the British market,that’s it end of.If you don’t agree fair enough but that’s my opinion.They’d have been far better (as was mentioned earlier) going into League One and Two for talent and I’m pretty sure if Schumacher remains that’s what will be happening next summer
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 10, 2024 20:33:38 GMT
How the hell do you expect to cook a meal with a load of exotic ingredients and then hire a chef who’s only used to cooking some scrambled eggs and bacon ????????!!!!!!
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 10, 2024 20:34:57 GMT
Nothing to do with xenophobia. If we are recruiting players from leagues with lower standards than the championship then it's an issue Or is saying that some countries have lower standards of professional football, xenophobic? It’s not the ingredients that don’t work it s the duckin chef who’s been entrusted to cook them !!!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 20:35:27 GMT
Yes, you've said that the foreign recruitment hasn't worked and you've also said that the domestic recruitment hasn't worked but you believe that the issue is not with the recruitment per se but is specifically with the foreign players we've signed. Is that fair? The recruitment team made a conscious effort under Dublin to scour the continent for talent last summer rather than the domestic market and in my opinion it hasn’t worked and to more of an extent than the British market,that’s it end of.If you don’t agree fair enough but that’s my opinion.They’d have been far better (as was mentioned earlier) going into League One and Two for talent and I’m pretty sure if Schumacher remains that’s what will be happening next summer I'm just not following your logic mate. You say that the foreign recruitment hasn't worked as well as the British recruitment, whilst at the same time, saying that you think the only two decent players they've brought in, are Bae and Burger?
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 10, 2024 20:39:24 GMT
Nothing to do with xenophobia. If we are recruiting players from leagues with lower standards than the championship then it's an issue Or is saying that some countries have lower standards of professional football, xenophobic? It’s not the ingredients that don’t work it s the duckin chef who’s been entrusted to cook them !!!!
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 20:47:39 GMT
Respectfully mate, I couldn't disagree more. Ange said much the same. On BBC radio coming out with that 'much of continental signings in recent years' play well when the weathers nice or put in poor performances when it's cold. Thought those comments were quite distasteful if I'm being honest. Recruit shit players expect shit results. Nothing to do with domestic or foreign. Burger and Junho are the only thing we've got going for us. And I'll tell you what, Schumacher can only blame himself really. You can't go round axeing players like Mmaee (fed up of talking about it) yet place your faith in players like Daniel Johnson, Lyndon Gooch, Luke Cundle, Ben Wilmot ... the list goes on. For as poor as you think Jared Dublin's recruitment has been, when Ricky Martin (an absolute chancer, by the way) has given the managers the freedom to bring their own players in it has been equally awful. Lyndon Gooch should be nowhere near a starter. Daniel Johnson deary me. Luke Cundle the very definition of a nothing player. Ben Pearson been nothing short of a disgrace. Niall Ennis looks like nothing more than a rotation player. Hoever showed today that he has to play but Christ almighty that shows the situation we're in. For me Burger, Junho and Vidigal were the only players that showed any quality today. Agreed. Stoke have mostly recruited British players since relegation. We’ve had one relegation scare already in that time. They’ve not exactly served us any better despite costing far more.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 20:49:49 GMT
The recruitment team made a conscious effort under Dublin to scour the continent for talent last summer rather than the domestic market and in my opinion it hasn’t worked and to more of an extent than the British market,that’s it end of.If you don’t agree fair enough but that’s my opinion.They’d have been far better (as was mentioned earlier) going into League One and Two for talent and I’m pretty sure if Schumacher remains that’s what will be happening next summer I'm just not following your logic mate. You say that the foreign recruitment hasn't worked as well as the British recruitment, whilst at the same time, saying that you think the only two decent players they've brought in, are Bae and Burger? Thats 2 of how many?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 20:53:12 GMT
I'm just not following your logic mate. You say that the foreign recruitment hasn't worked as well as the British recruitment, whilst at the same time, saying that you think the only two decent players they've brought in, are Bae and Burger? Thats 2 of how many? Exactly - there isn't a single domestic signing that's been any good, at least we've managed to pick up a couple of decent ones by shopping abroad. Essentially, the ENTIRE recruitment policy has been a failure though.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 20:54:43 GMT
Exactly - there isn't a single domestic signing that's been any good, at least we've managed to pick up a couple of decent ones by shopping abroad. Essentially, the ENTIRE recruitment policy has been a failure though. So Junior and Gooch have been no good then?
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 20:54:54 GMT
Exactly - there isn't a single domestic signing that's been any good, at least we've managed to pick up a couple of decent ones by shopping abroad. Essentially, the ENTIRE recruitment policy has been a failure though. I would say that Junior is a good domestic signing to be honest but I don’t disagree with your main point.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 10, 2024 20:55:11 GMT
I think the jury is still very much out on Junho. He was dreadful today. Still not scored or assisted all season and he’s the one we are pinning our hopes on for creativity.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2024 20:59:51 GMT
Exactly - there isn't a single domestic signing that's been any good, at least we've managed to pick up a couple of decent ones by shopping abroad. Essentially, the ENTIRE recruitment policy has been a failure though. So Junior and Gooch have been no good then? Nope and to be fair, I was simply using the two examples you had given. But fair enough, you're now saying, you think that Junior, Gooch, Bae and Burger have been good signings, I still don't follow your logic in suggesting that it's specifically the foreign recruitment that is the issue.
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Post by satoshi on Feb 10, 2024 21:01:09 GMT
Ted Lasso solves this
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 21:01:57 GMT
So Junior and Gooch have been no good then? Nope and to be fair, I was simply using the two examples you had given. But fair enough, you're now saying, you think that Junior, Gooch, Bae and Burger have been good signings, I still don't follow your logic in suggesting that it's specifically the foreign recruitment that is the issue. Its been a massive issue but we’ll leave it there as I’m going to watch the football league highlights show 👍
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Post by karl on Feb 10, 2024 21:05:21 GMT
It should have only been a small number of players signed and you would loan them out to league 1 to get used to the EFL and then introduce them slowly throughout the second half of the season back in the first team. Not sign a load of foreign players whose stats are good, don't seem to fit with the ethos of the club hard working players who earn the shirt. I think they only play well when the weather is warmer as they are not used to the cold and wet.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2024 21:08:35 GMT
I think the jury is still very much out on Junho. He was dreadful today. Still not scored or assisted all season and he’s the one we are pinning our hopes on for creativity. He assisted the goal today.
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Post by Ron on Feb 10, 2024 21:10:25 GMT
Exactly - there isn't a single domestic signing that's been any good, at least we've managed to pick up a couple of decent ones by shopping abroad. Essentially, the ENTIRE recruitment policy has been a failure though. So Junior and Gooch have been no good then? they were both absolute wank today
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 10, 2024 21:18:04 GMT
I think the jury is still very much out on Junho. He was dreadful today. Still not scored or assisted all season and he’s the one we are pinning our hopes on for creativity. He assisted the goal today. I think to claim that as an assist is pushing it a bit. He was trying to flick the ball to himself and it seemed to fall to Ennis by mistake.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 10, 2024 21:33:09 GMT
Exactly - there isn't a single domestic signing that's been any good, at least we've managed to pick up a couple of decent ones by shopping abroad. Essentially, the ENTIRE recruitment policy has been a failure though. You're treading on thin ice here he normally blocks posters who disagree with his shallow opinions.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 10, 2024 21:37:19 GMT
Exactly - there isn't a single domestic signing that's been any good, at least we've managed to pick up a couple of decent ones by shopping abroad. Essentially, the ENTIRE recruitment policy has been a failure though. You're treading on thin ice here he normally blocks posters who disagree with his shallow opinions. I block posters that bore me senseless and talk utter shit so I’m surprised I can still see your posts
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 11, 2024 9:27:52 GMT
I see it was talked about as well in the extended hour last night on P&G also
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 9:32:05 GMT
If the fountain of knowledge that’s P&G has said it then it must be right.
Half of those that ring in can barely string a sentence together.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 11, 2024 9:33:24 GMT
If the fountain of knowledge that’s P&G has said it then it must be right. Half of those that ring in can barely string a sentence together. Not the folk last night mate,they were passionate fans who care about the club
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 11, 2024 9:34:48 GMT
With the exception of Burger and Juhno it’s got to be said that the Dublin/Martin foreign route hasn’t worked.Yes it might be a lot cheaper but in my opinion it’s been a disaster Are you a meat and two veg sort of bloke? None of that foreign muck.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Feb 11, 2024 9:35:23 GMT
I think the jury is still very much out on Junho. He was dreadful today. Still not scored or assisted all season and he’s the one we are pinning our hopes on for creativity. Bloody love junho think next season if he is still here, he will be our best player or one of them.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 11, 2024 9:37:03 GMT
With the exception of Burger and Juhno it’s got to be said that the Dublin/Martin foreign route hasn’t worked.Yes it might be a lot cheaper but in my opinion it’s been a disaster Are you a meat and two veg sort of bloke? None of that foreign muck. No mate far from it🤣
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 11, 2024 9:40:18 GMT
The issue was that we needed an entire squad of players.
Foreign signings are always more of a risk as the style and standard of football is different in different countries. Ryan Mmaee probably looked great in a league that was less physical, where he had time to do all his fancy little backheels. Bring him over here with a hairy-arsed centreback kicking him for 90 minutes and he hasn't fancied a minute of it.
If you've already got a solid base to work from, you can afford to take a gamble or two on players like him and see if they're better than what you've already got.
However, when you've not even got a starting XI, it's a bad idea to recruit virtually an entire squad from the obscurest corners of Europe and hope they somehow meld together into something cohesive.
Next season, especially if we go down, I'd concentrate on building a side from the best players in League One and even League Two, signed specifically to play roles in a particular system.
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