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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 7, 2024 20:04:07 GMT
Malcolm .. I don’t know if you know the answer to this .. will members of the fan chosen interview panel be allowed to apply for a place on the connect panel .. as potentially some candidates for one panel will be precisely the people wanted / need on the other The only other observation I’d make at this stage as an outsider , is the apparent extended time frame to get things in place ..or is the proposed timescale considered reasonable and within ‘ the football industry’ norm for such things The answer is 'no', Scouse. Fans are being given the opportunity to suggest people for the appointing panel. The Club will appoint that panel, but having done so, the panel will act independently of the Club. I think the Club will be conscious that it will need to get people with the right skills and credibility on that panel. The panel will appoint the members of Stoke City Connect, and won't be able to appoint themselves. I think the basic objective is to get things underway by the start of next season which I think is a reasonable timescale. "Outsider" ????
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Post by Scouse on Feb 7, 2024 20:10:29 GMT
Malcolm .. I don’t know if you know the answer to this .. will members of the fan chosen interview panel be allowed to apply for a place on the connect panel .. as potentially some candidates for one panel will be precisely the people wanted / need on the other The only other observation I’d make at this stage as an outsider , is the apparent extended time frame to get things in place ..or is the proposed timescale considered reasonable and within ‘ the football industry’ norm for such things The answer is 'no', Scouse. Fans are being given the opportunity to suggest people for the appointing panel. The Club will appoint that panel, but having done so, the panel will act independently of the Club. I think the Club will be conscious that it will need to get people with the right skills and credibility on that panel. The panel will appoint the members of Stoke City Connect, and won't be able to appoint themselves. I think the basic objective is to get things underway by the start of next season which I think is a reasonable timescale. "Outsider" ???? Thanks ..perhaps I should have said lacking in knowledge of such things ( and a lot of other things besides ) rather than outsider 🤓👍
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 7, 2024 20:15:27 GMT
Interesting. Ironic timing about my recent post about the Supporters Club. IMHO I think it’s great for the club to show a massive improvement in supporter engagement as we’ve witnessed over the last 18 months or so. However I still think it’s important that us as supporters have a really robust, transparent and active supporters club as explained by Malcom Clarke in the Supporter Club post. I think he threw out a a challenge to us supporters along the lines of being shy and getting involved. Thoughts………. Thanks for making that link. I strongly agree with you. The Crouch report said that if there is an active, fit for purpose, democratic, central supporters organisation it should have a place on a Club's Fan Advisory Board (Stoke City Connect in our language). We don't have that at Stoke at the moment - I think the only Championship Club in that position ( "that's just embarrassing, that's just......" ), although there are some good local groups. As I said on the thread on that topic you started, if anyone wants to join, or even better get involved in reviving, the Supporters Club, please PM me with your email address. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/311840/stoke-city-supporters-club
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Post by swampmongrel on Feb 7, 2024 20:18:46 GMT
Before anyone suggests I’m being sexist/racist or otherwise, I think a representation of our society in Stoke should be represented in our club too it should be a positive move showing that we’re more than old white blokes 😂 👌 Yeah we're straight as well Surely we’re not all rotund middle aged slapheads? I’ve still got hair on my head.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 8, 2024 17:16:25 GMT
Check out this post from Stoke City FC www.stokecityfc.com/news/2024/february/08/fans-invited-to-help-design-25-26-home-kit/Interesting.. A few have said it would be nice if the fans had some input into the new kit designs. I know we've had chance to vote on options before but this sounds like it's to be part of the discussion on how the kits designed going forwards which should be good. Been some great kit ideas mooted by designers on here in the past, time to let them loose with their designs.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 8, 2024 17:35:42 GMT
Check out this post from Stoke City FC www.stokecityfc.com/news/2024/february/08/fans-invited-to-help-design-25-26-home-kit/Interesting.. A few have said it would be nice if the fans had some input into the new kit designs. I know we've had chance to vote on options before but this sounds like it's to be part of the discussion on how the kits designed going forwards which should be good. Been some great kit ideas mooted by designers on here in the past, time to let them loose with their designs. Apologies. I’ve just created a thread on this subject. I hadn’t seen your post 👍
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 8, 2024 17:44:10 GMT
Utter bullshit. All the fans want to see is a club run with a plan. All that matters is what takes place on the pitch. Simple as. As much as it is good to see engagement - the club need to have some self awareness. All we want from them this week is we’re sorry and we’re getting it wrong. Fanzones, free away travel, bigger Concourses, better parking….. I didn’t hear too much whining about them when we’re were beating the big boys regularly for 9 years. I don’t agree that all that matters is what is on the pitch. If it was about that we wouldn’t still be getting the crowds we do. But it would be nice to know that we didn’t have shysters like RM and SK with their five pillars of bullshit running the Club. If they were genuine about fan engagement they would understand the total disconnect there is with the fans and acknowledge that a lot needs doing to repair that relationship. A 23 page corporate pamphlet that won’t be read by 99% of the fans shows the lack of understanding at the very top of the Club. Most people will just be cynical, shrug their shoulders and not be arsed. No offence intended to anyone such as Malcolm who has clearly had input into this process but I’m struggling to see this as anything more than token gestures dressed up as corporate waffle. For the record I didn't have a role in the process the Club adopted, although I have praised the club for its approach and the opportunities given to fans to be involved. To their credit, the Club did involve the FSA in that process, as those of you who were there at the first consultation meeting will know, because Ashley Brown, a senior FSA staff member helped to facilitate it. Ashley is experienced in this area and is knowledgable about what's happening at other Clubs from which we might learn. I was there as a stokie, not wearing my FSA hat. In fact the plan isn't 100% as I would have written it - but the important thing is that there is a plan and that the Club have said it can be tweaked and amended as we go along in the light of experience. I am curious as to why you do describe Simon King as a "shyster". I think that there has been a marked improvement in the area of fan communication since he has arrived. You comment that [If they were genuine about fan engagement they would understand the total disconnect there is with the fans and acknowledge that a lot needs doing to repair that relationship./i]
As I said above, the process started with a survey of fans and Simon said at the first meeting that the results showed that fan engagement wasn't good enough and they needed to do things better - which is exactly what you have asked for. This plan is how they are going to go about that.
You have used the word "corporate" a couple of times in a very negative way. I'm not sure what that means in this context. I don't think it's "waffle". It sets out clearly what the Club is going to do. You may of course disagree with some of it, or think that what is proposed won't achieve its objective, or have different ideas on how they can improve things, all of which is of course absolutely fine. It would be great if those different ideas and suggestions can be forward, either now or in the light of experience when things start to happen.
You are of course right both that these off-field things are important and that many fans won't read this plan or want to engage in the process. You can see that immediately from a comparison of the number of views of this thread and the related one on the Supporters Club with those on players, team performance etc etc. I wish I had the answer to that. All we can do is encourage as many stokies as possible to take an interest and to that end I would encourage fans to join the supporters Club as per the other thread.
Meanwhile all our moods will be improved when the manager and the team can turn things round on the pitch - I'm sure we can all agree on that at least !
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Post by flea79 on Feb 8, 2024 19:31:05 GMT
Let’s see how much the club want to listen and we should demand that we have no red and white stripes on the new home shirt!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 8, 2024 23:37:10 GMT
Utter bullshit. All the fans want to see is a club run with a plan. All that matters is what takes place on the pitch. Simple as. As much as it is good to see engagement - the club need to have some self awareness. All we want from them this week is we’re sorry and we’re getting it wrong. Fanzones, free away travel, bigger Concourses, better parking….. I didn’t hear too much whining about them when we’re were beating the big boys regularly for 9 years. I don’t agree that all that matters is what is on the pitch. If it was about that we wouldn’t still be getting the crowds we do. But it would be nice to know that we didn’t have shysters like RM and SK with their five pillars of bullshit running the Club. If they were genuine about fan engagement they would understand the total disconnect there is with the fans and acknowledge that a lot needs doing to repair that relationship. A 23 page corporate pamphlet that won’t be read by 99% of the fans shows the lack of understanding at the very top of the Club. Most people will just be cynical, shrug their shoulders and not be arsed. No offence intended to anyone such as Malcolm who has clearly had input into this process but I’m struggling to see this as anything more than token gestures dressed up as corporate waffle. I or sure what you mean But it would be nice to know that we didn’t have shysters like RM and SK with their five pillars of bullshit running the Club. If they were genuine about fan engagement they would understand the total disconnect there is with the fans and acknowledge that a lot needs doing to repair that relationship. My understanding is that RM has nothing to do with “off the field” supporter engagement strategy. I do acknowledge that our current failures on the pitch do adversely affect the efforts of SK his team.
For decades SCFC have had an abysmal record for supporter engagement. The last 18 months has seen a massive move to establish and implement supporter engagement initiatives. Surely some credit should be given.A 23 page corporate pamphlet that won’t be read by 99% of the fans shows the lack of understanding at the very top of the Club. Most people will just be cynical, shrug their shoulders and not be arsed. As I said above there’s been massive improvement in the last 18 months. Can you explain your comment “the lack of understanding at the very top of the club”. Who do you think has stimulated and financially supported all the work that been undertaken and there’s a commitment to the future?
Surely it takes two to tango? Club and Supporters
No offence intended to anyone such as Malcolm who has clearly had input into this process but I’m struggling to see this as anything more than token gestures dressed up as corporate waffle. What would it take you and 99% of supporters to get involved?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 10:11:47 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 29, 2024 10:24:36 GMT
“The make-up of Stoke City Connect will be more diverse“ What does this entail? Before anyone suggests I’m being sexist/racist or otherwise, I think a representation of our society in Stoke should be represented in our club too it should be a positive move showing that we’re more than old white blokes 😂 👌 Ive questioned about our lack of ethnic supporters but get shouted down every single time.We dont tap into our diverse community one bit. Stuck in the old ways and Im not 100% certain that they would be welcome with open arms either.Over 18% of the citys population are from an ethnic background,how many come to watch Stoke city? 100 maybe.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 29, 2024 10:41:35 GMT
Before anyone suggests I’m being sexist/racist or otherwise, I think a representation of our society in Stoke should be represented in our club too it should be a positive move showing that we’re more than old white blokes 😂 👌 Ive questioned about our lack of ethnic supporters but get shouted down every single time.We dont tap into our diverse community one bit. Stuck in the old ways and Im not 100% certain that they would be welcome with open arms either.Over 18% of the citys population are from an ethnic background,how many come to watch Stoke city? 100 maybe. Very true, but sadly not unique to Stoke City. I always think of this when we go to Luton for example and you look at the demographic of the home support compared with that in the streets adjacent to the ground. The FSA's "My City; my shirt" initiative last season, in which Stoke City enthusiastically participated, was an attempt to address this.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 29, 2024 11:20:24 GMT
Ive questioned about our lack of ethnic supporters but get shouted down every single time.We dont tap into our diverse community one bit. Stuck in the old ways and Im not 100% certain that they would be welcome with open arms either.Over 18% of the citys population are from an ethnic background,how many come to watch Stoke city? 100 maybe. Very true, but sadly not unique to Stoke City. I always think of this when we go to Luton for example and you look at the demographic of the home support compared with that in the streets adjacent to the ground. The FSA's "My City; my shirt" initiative last season, in which Stoke City enthusiastically participated, was an attempt to address this. I agree Malcolm alongside Luton it does seem to be that the southern clubs seemed to have found a winning formula.
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Post by a on Feb 29, 2024 12:18:29 GMT
Before anyone suggests I’m being sexist/racist or otherwise, I think a representation of our society in Stoke should be represented in our club too it should be a positive move showing that we’re more than old white blokes 😂 👌 Ive questioned about our lack of ethnic supporters but get shouted down every single time.We dont tap into our diverse community one bit. Stuck in the old ways and Im not 100% certain that they would be welcome with open arms either.Over 18% of the citys population are from an ethnic background,how many come to watch Stoke city? 100 maybe. Is it cultural? I know South Asian people are more interested in cricket (a bit of a generalisation but it’s what I’ve experienced)but as you say, it’s not like there is a sign outside saying not to come in if you’re not white. Maybe seeing the historical links to hooliganism puts them off? Who knows!
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 29, 2024 13:28:23 GMT
Ive questioned about our lack of ethnic supporters but get shouted down every single time.We dont tap into our diverse community one bit. Stuck in the old ways and Im not 100% certain that they would be welcome with open arms either.Over 18% of the citys population are from an ethnic background,how many come to watch Stoke city? 100 maybe. Is it cultural? I know South Asian people are more interested in cricket (a bit of a generalisation but it’s what I’ve experienced)but as you say, it’s not like there is a sign outside saying not to come in if you’re not white. Maybe seeing the historical links to hooliganism puts them off? Who knows! Could be delving into sensitive area and this is the problem ,racism,hooliganism,do we cater for any minorities etc etc.The city has a reputation of being very segmented and not untited.People seem to stay in their comfort zones and dont seem to mix as well as in other cities but again this is not unique to Stoke. The football club has a fantastic opportuninty to bring this citys people closer together which can only be a good thing .
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 29, 2024 15:49:31 GMT
Is it cultural? I know South Asian people are more interested in cricket (a bit of a generalisation but it’s what I’ve experienced)but as you say, it’s not like there is a sign outside saying not to come in if you’re not white. Maybe seeing the historical links to hooliganism puts them off? Who knows! Could be delving into sensitive area and this is the problem ,racism,hooliganism,do we cater for any minorities etc etc.The city has a reputation of being very segmented and not untited.People seem to stay in their comfort zones and dont seem to mix as well as in other cities but again this is not unique to Stoke. The football club has a fantastic opportuninty to bring this citys people closer together which can only be a good thing . “The football club has a fantastic opportunity”. Have you written to the club providing potential and realistic solutions for inclusion? if not why not? If you have please share with fellow supporters to consider and support or at least debate.
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Post by Scouse on Feb 29, 2024 19:03:27 GMT
A concern with the process , people with the qualities desirable for the selection panel , May also make excellent candidates for a place on Stoke City Connect , sitting on the selection panel though would presumably mean they couldn’t be interviewed for a Connect place .. Where to focus your nomination , panel or Connect ..( presumably people will only nominate for either role after first checking with their nominee )
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 29, 2024 19:29:17 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 29, 2024 19:32:00 GMT
A concern with the process , people with the qualities desirable for the selection panel , May also make excellent candidates for a place on Stoke City Connect , sitting on the selection panel though would presumably mean they couldn’t be interviewed for a Connect place .. Where to focus your nomination , panel or Connect ..( presumably people will only nominate for either role after first checking with their nominee ) That's correct, Scouse. Although the skills required are not identical for the two roles, there may well be people who would be strong candidates for both, and as you say, you definitely can't do both. I feel this myself. I am contemplating whether to put myself forward for the interview panel; Stoke City Connect itself, or neither.
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Post by TheElusiveTramp on Jul 16, 2024 10:07:35 GMT
Congratulations Malcolm, I'm sure you'll do wonders
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2024 10:31:55 GMT
A lot of great work behind the scenes by the club at the moment, it's good to see.....
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 16, 2024 11:00:52 GMT
I'm still fuming I wasn't successful.
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Post by Wizbit on Jul 16, 2024 11:09:01 GMT
I'm still fuming I wasn't successful. Me too lol
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 16, 2024 23:15:14 GMT
Congratulations Malcolm, I'm sure you'll do wonders Not sure about that ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) but I'll do my best, as I'm sure will all the other SCC members. I was gobsmacked, but very pleased, that the Club had 174 applications, far more than used to stand for the Supporters Council, and I'm curious as to the reason for that. You might expect that the much longer application form than the paragraph candidates wrote for the SC, and the prospect of a grilling by the interview panel would, if anything, produce less not more candidates - but quite the reverse is true. Is that due to a greater confidence in the new fan engagement strategy, or is it that (surprisingly to me) potential candidates are less put off by an interview than they are by putting themselves up for a 'public' vote ? I really don't know, although I do know that some other clubs have also had a large number of applicants for their equivalent. I think shortlisting and then deciding on the final choice must have been a very difficult task for the panel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 5:53:58 GMT
Disappointed that Angela Smith isn't involved as for me she was by far the best Council member/chair that we had in the history of it.
Always approachable and always engaged.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Jul 17, 2024 17:17:53 GMT
How many of the 15 post on here ?
I assume RAF isn't one of them ?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 17, 2024 21:47:54 GMT
How many of the 15 post on here ? I assume RAF isn't one of them ? I do, with varying frequency. Always under my own name
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Post by thornestein on Jul 17, 2024 21:50:34 GMT
do these kind of things actually achieve anything , give me examples
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2024 21:53:41 GMT
How many of the 15 post on here ? I assume RAF isn't one of them ? I do, with varying frequency. Always under my own name Lets hope they’re not asking you to use Skype😊
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Post by thornestein on Jul 17, 2024 21:56:10 GMT
Having applied I am disappointed to find out that I wasn’t successful without having been sent any email or anything on the subject. No notification that I wasn’t successful or anything. Bit poor since, as Malcolm says, it is a very lengthy process to go through to apply. really ? , that’s not good at all
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