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Post by rambob on Feb 3, 2024 19:58:57 GMT
I just find myself laughing at how bad we are at most of the games. I was angry, skipped the depression stage and now think I'm on the edge of losing my mental stability
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Post by callas12 on Feb 3, 2024 22:29:35 GMT
The sad thing for me that today has highlighted is Leicester City are exactly what we should have been when the 2018/19 season began having just been relegated. & to see the top 3 this evening of Leicester, Southampton & Leeds shows all three relegated clubs are all there or there abouts in the mix to be in the promotion shake up at the first attempt. Guessing one of these clubs will be disappointed & have to contend with a Play Off Place. Yet we haven't managed a top half finish since we re-entered the Championship, nevermind the happiness even a play off place would have given us! Today for me is the serious wake up call that we are preparing for a relegation battle, no two ways about that. I can't see where our next points are coming from nevermind next win! A glance of the league table is also scary right now, position aside our goal difference is now shockingly bad. -14 is equal to QPR & Huddersfield. Now if it comes down to that 3rd bottom finish being scrapped ouver come May then goal difference could well come into play! 🙄😬 A good goal difference is as good as an extra point! I'd honestly rather be challenging Top 6 in League One, than fuck-arsing around struggling to make 15th every season in the Championship. I lost interest in being a nothing club, in a shit league, 3 seasons ago. Get that totally & I share your views on being a nothing club currently. But im also fully aware that League 1 wouldn't necessarily be a walk in the park either though. We could get relegated & not be top 6, there are no guarantees to that happening. A large number of Stoke fans thought we'd breeze the Champo & look where that got us. Clubs like Ipswich, Sheff Weds and even Sunderland found out how hard it is to get promoted from. It's no walk in the park. As we discovered ourselves the last time we frequented them depths!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 4, 2024 9:14:50 GMT
The sad thing for me that today has highlighted is Leicester City are exactly what we should have been when the 2018/19 season began having just been relegated. & to see the top 3 this evening of Leicester, Southampton & Leeds shows all three relegated clubs are all there or there abouts in the mix to be in the promotion shake up at the first attempt. Guessing one of these clubs will be disappointed & have to contend with a Play Off Place. Yet we haven't managed a top half finish since we re-entered the Championship, nevermind the happiness even a play off place would have given us! Today for me is the serious wake up call that we are preparing for a relegation battle, no two ways about that. I can't see where our next points are coming from nevermind next win! A glance of the league table is also scary right now, position aside our goal difference is now shockingly bad. -14 is equal to QPR & Huddersfield. Now if it comes down to that 3rd bottom finish being scrapped ouver come May then goal difference could well come into play! 🙄😬 A good goal difference is as good as an extra point! I'd honestly rather be challenging Top 6 in League One, than fuck-arsing around struggling to make 15th every season in the Championship. I lost interest in being a nothing club, in a shit league, 3 seasons ago. no no no - I know what you mean fellah but tier 3 would be most likely more of the same and there's nothing about us being a so-called bigger fish that would guarantee us being top 6 by any sort of default - it just doesn't happen like that. It's true we're in a mini league of 8 now from QPR up to Plymouth one of whom will be relegated with Weds and Rotherham - it's looking like it will be a close call but I think we *should* have enough to scrape survival providing there's no club-level implosion, player revolts or other off-the-field strife - we just have to hope.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 9:43:00 GMT
What happend was,Peter handed the reigns over to his idiot son.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Feb 4, 2024 9:52:02 GMT
Went for the first time since O’Neil left yesterday and absolutely nothing has changed despite being two further managers in and a near total overhaul of players.
I get that sinking feeling of 20 years ago where the only way back is via a sobering return to the dreaded third division of English football.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 9:52:43 GMT
Im sat here watching a club with players which look like they give no shit, cant score goals, with pissed off fans, a pissed off manager. Ive done this for 5 years now weekend in and out and i dont know how much longer i, and most fans can watch it. Ive just watched Faes run from the half way line, all the way through our midfield , and defence. Hes a defender too.
What happens next? Nothing will change until the Coates family are removed from this club. Amazes me how many people don’t want to see this.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 4, 2024 9:54:51 GMT
The sad thing for me that today has highlighted is Leicester City are exactly what we should have been when the 2018/19 season began having just been relegated. & to see the top 3 this evening of Leicester, Southampton & Leeds shows all three relegated clubs are all there or there abouts in the mix to be in the promotion shake up at the first attempt. Guessing one of these clubs will be disappointed & have to contend with a Play Off Place. Yet we haven't managed a top half finish since we re-entered the Championship, nevermind the happiness even a play off place would have given us! Today for me is the serious wake up call that we are preparing for a relegation battle, no two ways about that. I can't see where our next points are coming from nevermind next win! A glance of the league table is also scary right now, position aside our goal difference is now shockingly bad. -14 is equal to QPR & Huddersfield. Now if it comes down to that 3rd bottom finish being scrapped ouver come May then goal difference could well come into play! 🙄😬 A good goal difference is as good as an extra point! I'd honestly rather be challenging Top 6 in League One, than fuck-arsing around struggling to make 15th every season in the Championship. I lost interest in being a nothing club, in a shit league, 3 seasons ago. Why would we challenge top 6. I was one of those thought a relegation would be good. Would see us win more games. How wrong was I. It would be a disaster for us to go down. We’d have more chance of dropping further down the leagues than going back up. We’re not a top half league 1 team at the minute.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 4, 2024 9:56:12 GMT
Leicester is the only game where we didn't creat enough decent opportunities to win the game. If we had beat Birmingham as we should have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. If we beat Sunderland as we could have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. We didn't expect to beat Leicester, they are way ahead of anyone in this division. If the fans turn on the players we are all but relegated as it never ends well. The players have done enough in games to win matches. If we can start scoring a goal or two more and cut out a few more mistakes we are easily pulling away from the relegation zone. There's enough here to keep us comfortably safe but the players and the manager need the fans to stick by them.
Players never perform well with the fans on their back and the Stoke players need the fans more than ever. Cheering Campbell off yesterday was a really low point for a player still working his way back into some form after a bad injury and it will only have a negative effect on the other players around him. People will say it's up to the players to get the fans onside but that never happens when a team is in a relegation battle, struggling and getting booed a lot. Fans either stick with the players and save the booing until they are officially relegated or they just help take them down. We've all seen how a negative atmosphere plays out many many times, there are no positives that come from putting more pressure on the players. It would be nice if we could be that club that doesn't act like all other clubs in our position and try's to build the team back up instead and thinks let's get behind them until it's too late. We want our players getting their head up if they make mistakes not compounding them with more mistakes because they fear the backlash from the fans. Schumacher will turn us into a really good team with enough time, he needs the fans support through the good and the bad until then.
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Post by figo85 on Feb 4, 2024 9:56:14 GMT
The sad thing for me that today has highlighted is Leicester City are exactly what we should have been when the 2018/19 season began having just been relegated. & to see the top 3 this evening of Leicester, Southampton & Leeds shows all three relegated clubs are all there or there abouts in the mix to be in the promotion shake up at the first attempt. Guessing one of these clubs will be disappointed & have to contend with a Play Off Place. Yet we haven't managed a top half finish since we re-entered the Championship, nevermind the happiness even a play off place would have given us! Today for me is the serious wake up call that we are preparing for a relegation battle, no two ways about that. I can't see where our next points are coming from nevermind next win! A glance of the league table is also scary right now, position aside our goal difference is now shockingly bad. -14 is equal to QPR & Huddersfield. Now if it comes down to that 3rd bottom finish being scrapped ouver come May then goal difference could well come into play! 🙄😬 A good goal difference is as good as an extra point! I'd honestly rather be challenging Top 6 in League One, than fuck-arsing around struggling to make 15th every season in the Championship. I lost interest in being a nothing club, in a shit league, 3 seasons ago. Folk said exactly the same when we got relegated.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 4, 2024 9:57:56 GMT
If you look at out recent history it seems to go: Tier 1 Tier 2 Tier 3 Tier 2 Tier 1 In a 30 year cycle
So in about 20-25 years we'll be pushing for promotion to tier 1
It's pobably on the back of yesterday's capitulation but I'm resigned to relegation and looking for a new manager this time next year
Can see QPR catching us
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Post by onepara on Feb 4, 2024 9:59:07 GMT
Nothing will change until the Coates family are removed from this club. Amazes me how many people don’t want to see this. So what's your answer as to new owners. Who are they? Where are they from? Where's the money from?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 4, 2024 10:05:22 GMT
Amazes me how many people don’t want to see this. So what's your answer as to new owners. Who are they? Where are they from? Where's the money from? Not my job. Change at the top is needed. The Coates family might as well be broke and hate the club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 10:14:00 GMT
Leicester is the only game where we didn't creat enough decent opportunities to win the game. If we had beat Birmingham as we should have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. If we beat Sunderland as we could have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. We didn't expect to beat Leicester, they are way ahead of anyone in this division. If the fans turn on the players we are all but relegated as it never ends well. The players have done enough in games to win matches. If we can start scoring a goal or two more and cut out a few more mistakes we are easily pulling away from the relegation zone. There's enough here to keep us comfortably safe but the players and the manager need the fans to stick by them. Players never perform well with the fans on their back and the Stoke players need the fans more than ever. Cheering Campbell off yesterday was a really low point for a player still working his way back into some form after a bad injury and it will only have a negative effect on the other players around him. People will say it's up to the players to get the fans onside but that never happens when a team is in a relegation battle, struggling and getting booed a lot. Fans either stick with the players and save the booing until they are officially relegated or they just help take them down. We've all seen how a negative atmosphere plays out many many times, there are no positives that come from putting more pressure on the players. It would be nice if we could be that club that doesn't act like all other clubs in our position and try's to build the team back up instead and thinks let's get behind them until it's too late. We want our players getting their head up if they make mistakes not compounding them with more mistakes because they fear the backlash from the fans. Schumacher will turn us into a really good team with enough time, he needs the fans support through the good and the bad until then. There's an awful lot of "if's" in there mate. Trouble with "if's" they always follow the fact that those "if's" didn't happen.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 4, 2024 11:18:38 GMT
Leicester is the only game where we didn't creat enough decent opportunities to win the game. If we had beat Birmingham as we should have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. If we beat Sunderland as we could have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. We didn't expect to beat Leicester, they are way ahead of anyone in this division. If the fans turn on the players we are all but relegated as it never ends well. The players have done enough in games to win matches. If we can start scoring a goal or two more and cut out a few more mistakes we are easily pulling away from the relegation zone. There's enough here to keep us comfortably safe but the players and the manager need the fans to stick by them. Players never perform well with the fans on their back and the Stoke players need the fans more than ever. Cheering Campbell off yesterday was a really low point for a player still working his way back into some form after a bad injury and it will only have a negative effect on the other players around him. People will say it's up to the players to get the fans onside but that never happens when a team is in a relegation battle, struggling and getting booed a lot. Fans either stick with the players and save the booing until they are officially relegated or they just help take them down. We've all seen how a negative atmosphere plays out many many times, there are no positives that come from putting more pressure on the players. It would be nice if we could be that club that doesn't act like all other clubs in our position and try's to build the team back up instead and thinks let's get behind them until it's too late. We want our players getting their head up if they make mistakes not compounding them with more mistakes because they fear the backlash from the fans. Schumacher will turn us into a really good team with enough time, he needs the fans support through the good and the bad until then. There's an awful lot of "if's" in there mate. Trouble with "if's" they always follow the fact that those "if's" didn't happen. Here's another IF for you I would be more worried IF we weren't creating chances but we are, yesterday we were outclassed, we have more than give teams a game before then. We will have setbacks with a new way of playing that's just how it is. QPR win and we didn't and it's the end of the world for many of our fans on here.
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Post by UNKLE on Feb 4, 2024 11:26:35 GMT
The sad thing for me that today has highlighted is Leicester City are exactly what we should have been when the 2018/19 season began having just been relegated. & to see the top 3 this evening of Leicester, Southampton & Leeds shows all three relegated clubs are all there or there abouts in the mix to be in the promotion shake up at the first attempt. Guessing one of these clubs will be disappointed & have to contend with a Play Off Place. Yet we haven't managed a top half finish since we re-entered the Championship, nevermind the happiness even a play off place would have given us! Today for me is the serious wake up call that we are preparing for a relegation battle, no two ways about that. I can't see where our next points are coming from nevermind next win! A glance of the league table is also scary right now, position aside our goal difference is now shockingly bad. -14 is equal to QPR & Huddersfield. Now if it comes down to that 3rd bottom finish being scrapped ouver come May then goal difference could well come into play! 🙄😬 A good goal difference is as good as an extra point! I'd honestly rather be challenging Top 6 in League One, than fuck-arsing around struggling to make 15th every season in the Championship. I lost interest in being a nothing club, in a shit league, 3 seasons ago. After we’d accepted relegation from the PL there was the same feeling that it’d be nice to see us win and challenge for promotion and look how that has worked out. There’s possibly an arrogance that we would perform and excel. L1 is a graveyard and after what we’ve seen over the past 5-6 years how are we going to become promotion contenders overnight. We talk about reset, clear the decks of dead wood, I wouldn’t put it past the club signing another bunch of past it mercenaries who we thought were perfect for L1.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 4, 2024 11:27:02 GMT
There's an awful lot of "if's" in there mate. Trouble with "if's" they always follow the fact that those "if's" didn't happen. Here's another IF for you I would be more worried IF we weren't creating chances but we are, yesterday we were outclassed, we have more than give teams a game before then. We will have setbacks with a new way of playing that's just how it is. QPR win and we didn't and it's the end of the world for many of our fans on here. Remember this under Jones? We rarely look like scoring, especially from open play. No matter how many charges are created. We also look like conceding bucket loads. When you try to play attacking football with no defence or attack you get beat. I would put our lesser goals conceded (before yesterday) down to our negative approach for much of the season. Whilst Niel was shit, he figured out pretty quickly how rubbish our recruitment was. Yes he too didn't recruit well, and some will say he has the final say, but when you get 3 shit options you sometimes have to choose 1 over 0. I think that's the position our managers find themselves in. Our recruitment and squad is unbalanced and incredibly poor. As many of said where is our physicality? Identity? Style of play? Where is the due diligence?
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Post by alexanderinstone on Feb 4, 2024 11:31:58 GMT
Vale are struggling too and may well go down.
So season 25/26 no Potteries Derby in League 1
Season 26/27 Finally a Potteries Derby in League 2
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Post by Block 26 on Feb 4, 2024 11:38:39 GMT
Nothing will change until the Coates family are removed from this club. Amazes me how many people don’t want to see this. I don’t want them out, I want them to learn how to run a football club. Remember the quote when we got relegated from the PL? “Lessons have been learnt” clearly not.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 4, 2024 11:45:10 GMT
I'd much prefer league 1 if it meant getting rid of most of this squad, the technical director and Jared Dublin and starting again
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Post by stokiesteve on Feb 4, 2024 11:45:44 GMT
Im sat here watching a club with players which look like they give no shit, cant score goals, with pissed off fans, a pissed off manager. Ive done this for 5 years now weekend in and out and i dont know how much longer i, and most fans can watch it. Ive just watched Faes run from the half way line, all the way through our midfield , and defence. Hes a defender too.
What happens next? We get relegated. Just like we have many times before and start from scratch.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Feb 4, 2024 11:49:58 GMT
I just find myself laughing at how bad we are at most of the games. I was angry, skipped the depression stage and now think I'm on the edge of losing my mental stability Sole destroying watching stoke at the last 6/7 years. Aged me like a motherfucker.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 4, 2024 11:50:06 GMT
Here's another IF for you I would be more worried IF we weren't creating chances but we are, yesterday we were outclassed, we have more than give teams a game before then. We will have setbacks with a new way of playing that's just how it is. QPR win and we didn't and it's the end of the world for many of our fans on here. Remember this under Jones? We rarely look like scoring, especially from open play. No matter how many charges are created. We also look like conceding bucket loads. When you try to play attacking football with no defence or attack you get beat. I would put our lesser goals conceded (before yesterday) down to our negative approach for much of the season. Whilst Niel was shit, he figured out pretty quickly how rubbish our recruitment was. Yes he too didn't recruit well, and some will say he has the final say, but when you get 3 shit options you sometimes have to choose 1 over 0. I think that's the position our managers find themselves in. Our recruitment and squad is unbalanced and incredibly poor. As many of said where is our physicality? Identity? Style of play? Where is the due diligence? Jones had the luxury of a Summer transfer window to get the players he wanted. He also had a lot longer to get the players on page but he bottled it and changed his style of play. Schumacher had a tough January with limited funds and options but he needs to stick with his style of play and play the players he thinks are best suited to it. Schumacher has obviously had to deal with some problems between the players too because something has obviously happened behind the scenes which has disrupted the whole group. Hopefully whatever has happened is sorted soon.
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 4, 2024 11:50:37 GMT
Answer for OP - Well meaning owners, but unwitting dereliction of duty.
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Post by mcw on Feb 4, 2024 11:59:05 GMT
Leicester is the only game where we didn't creat enough decent opportunities to win the game. If we had beat Birmingham as we should have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. If we beat Sunderland as we could have with the chances we had we wouldn't be as critical as we are now. We didn't expect to beat Leicester, they are way ahead of anyone in this division. If the fans turn on the players we are all but relegated as it never ends well. The players have done enough in games to win matches. If we can start scoring a goal or two more and cut out a few more mistakes we are easily pulling away from the relegation zone. There's enough here to keep us comfortably safe but the players and the manager need the fans to stick by them. Players never perform well with the fans on their back and the Stoke players need the fans more than ever. Cheering Campbell off yesterday was a really low point for a player still working his way back into some form after a bad injury and it will only have a negative effect on the other players around him. People will say it's up to the players to get the fans onside but that never happens when a team is in a relegation battle, struggling and getting booed a lot. Fans either stick with the players and save the booing until they are officially relegated or they just help take them down. We've all seen how a negative atmosphere plays out many many times, there are no positives that come from putting more pressure on the players. It would be nice if we could be that club that doesn't act like all other clubs in our position and try's to build the team back up instead and thinks let's get behind them until it's too late. We want our players getting their head up if they make mistakes not compounding them with more mistakes because they fear the backlash from the fans. Schumacher will turn us into a really good team with enough time, he needs the fans support through the good and the bad until then. Campbell still working his way back to full fitness? For Christ’s sake that injury was 2 seasons back. He’s either a busted flush due to that injury or bone idle. Either way he needs moving on and his first half performance was abject. People can stand for players being shit but putting everything in to at least help the team/try and affect the game. What they can’t stand is someone who acts like a toddler, sulks and hides as soon as they realise they are going to have to battle rather than be allowed space and time. I don’t like players being booed off, but if anyone deserved it he did. Pearson too if he’d not been subbed at half time.
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Post by greenman on Feb 4, 2024 12:06:04 GMT
Revenue in league 1 drops off a cliff. With a lot of inept players on long contracts, life will be very difficult for us at that level.
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Post by mcw on Feb 4, 2024 12:12:05 GMT
Revenue in league 1 drops off a cliff. With a lot of inept players on long contracts, life will be very difficult for us at that level. Excellent FFP maintaining it’s goal of crushing any aspiration and slowly but surely pigeon hoping teams into divisions based solely on crowd size.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 4, 2024 12:40:31 GMT
The sad thing for me that today has highlighted is Leicester City are exactly what we should have been when the 2018/19 season began having just been relegated. & to see the top 3 this evening of Leicester, Southampton & Leeds shows all three relegated clubs are all there or there abouts in the mix to be in the promotion shake up at the first attempt. Guessing one of these clubs will be disappointed & have to contend with a Play Off Place. Yet we haven't managed a top half finish since we re-entered the Championship, nevermind the happiness even a play off place would have given us! Today for me is the serious wake up call that we are preparing for a relegation battle, no two ways about that. I can't see where our next points are coming from nevermind next win! A glance of the league table is also scary right now, position aside our goal difference is now shockingly bad. -14 is equal to QPR & Huddersfield. Now if it comes down to that 3rd bottom finish being scrapped ouver come May then goal difference could well come into play! 🙄😬 A good goal difference is as good as an extra point! I'd honestly rather be challenging Top 6 in League One, than fuck-arsing around struggling to make 15th every season in the Championship. I lost interest in being a nothing club, in a shit league, 3 seasons ago. Trouble is, we wouldn’t be challenging top 6 in league one would we! This argument was made when we were still in the Prem, and it didn’t work then either. The ultimate conclusion to that strategy would be that we end up playing in the Alsager and District Sunday League.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 4, 2024 12:44:46 GMT
Dark day yesterday, just about everything that could have gone wrong did.
Worrying interview from Schumacher last weekend. Followed by terrible PR around most of the squad being up for sale.
Then the news about Mmaee being out of the squad for the foreseeable, likely ever. Alongside an absolute dog's dinner of a squad sheet, square pegs in round holes.
Resulting in a predictable shitshow of a display both in quality and effort. The complete opposite of what we saw against Brighton just several weeks ago.
This runs far deeper than simply a 5-0 humbling to the league leaders in isolation.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 4, 2024 12:47:27 GMT
Dark day yesterday, just about everything that could have gone wrong did. Worrying interview from Schumacher last weekend. Followed by terrible PR around most of the squad being up for sale. Then the news about Mmaee being out of the squad for the foreseeable, likely ever. Alongside an absolute dog's dinner of a squad sheet, square pegs in round holes. Resulting in a predictable shitshow of a display both in quality and effort. The complete opposite of what we saw against Brighton just several weeks ago. This runs far deeper than simply a 5-0 humbling to the league leaders in isolation. The club is rotten to the core and the manager is out of his depth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 12:52:43 GMT
I'd honestly rather be challenging Top 6 in League One, than fuck-arsing around struggling to make 15th every season in the Championship. I lost interest in being a nothing club, in a shit league, 3 seasons ago. Trouble is, we wouldn’t be challenging top 6 in league one would we! This argument was made when we were still in the Prem, and it didn’t work then either. The ultimate conclusion to that strategy would be that we end up playing in the Alsager and District Sunday League. You know what, people would scoff at this comment, but I actually agree. I look at the clubs in the top half of League One and I think most of them would turn us over at the moment.
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