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Post by figo85 on Dec 16, 2023 12:17:37 GMT
This is massively going to put Eustace or Carsley on the back foot, as the club hasn’t managed expectations at all.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 16, 2023 12:31:19 GMT
i’m undecided on him tbh , his win percentage massively worries me but it was a shit show at brum before he was appointed It was a shit show at brum but he had 2 good months this season which I don’t think they played anyone of note. If he hadn’t of played for us his name would be no where near us. Very little experience. If it happens I see definite relegation What about all the good coaching credentials he got prior to Brum? Very highly regarded by all accounts I get hes not everyones first choice but I honestly dont think hes as bad as some are making out
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 16, 2023 12:33:09 GMT
Of cause I would love it if NES became our manager,but been realistic,does Coates have the bottle to go for it,will be risk spending a lot of money in the hope we will have the riches to come if he gets us promoted?
Or will be revert to type,hoping to get promoted with someone who cost a lot less to get.
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Post by nsd on Dec 16, 2023 12:33:59 GMT
This is massively going to put Eustace or Carsley on the back foot, as the club hasn’t managed expectations at all. curious to know what else the club could have done. eustace was at the swansea game, the club press mouthpiece john percy has stated that nuno has not applied or been interviewed, short of JC coming on here and telling all the 'itks' that it's bollocks, how do they 'manage expectations' when it comes to pure speculation?
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Post by figo85 on Dec 16, 2023 12:38:45 GMT
This is massively going to put Eustace or Carsley on the back foot, as the club hasn’t managed expectations at all. curious to know what else the club could have done. eustace was at the swansea game, the club press mouthpiece john percy has stated that nuno has not applied or been interviewed, short of JC coming on here and telling all the 'itks' that it's bollocks, how do they 'manage expectations' when it comes to pure speculation? Good point, maybe a press release? I suppose every club is made up of a set of supporters that talk out of their arse and spread useless gossip with zero evidence to support it and it spreads like wildfire. I’m sure the friend of the guy on Twitter, who is supposedly high up in the board room, isn’t best pleased with bullshit being spread on Twitter.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 16, 2023 13:08:58 GMT
It was a shit show at brum but he had 2 good months this season which I don’t think they played anyone of note. If he hadn’t of played for us his name would be no where near us. Very little experience. If it happens I see definite relegation What about all the good coaching credentials he got prior to Brum? Very highly regarded by all accounts I get hes not everyones first choice but I honestly dont think hes as bad as some are making out He maybe a half decent coach and may have done ok with Kidderminster and 2 months at brum. With our club in the state it’s in now in my opinion eustace appointment would seal relegation and if I’m honest I cant believe he is up there in the betting. Out of all the names out there we would be scraping the barrel again
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 16, 2023 13:20:54 GMT
Whoever started this rumour is a very naughty boy, there's no substance to it at all. The was definitely a leak, a number of people got an update about this from previously very reliable sources. Something happened Yeah I can imagine where it came from hence why it's utter bollocks.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 16, 2023 13:33:41 GMT
What about all the good coaching credentials he got prior to Brum? Very highly regarded by all accounts I get hes not everyones first choice but I honestly dont think hes as bad as some are making out He maybe a half decent coach and may have done ok with Kidderminster and 2 months at brum. With our club in the state it’s in now in my opinion eustace appointment would seal relegation and if I’m honest I cant believe he is up there in the betting. Out of all the names out there we would be scraping the barrel again 2 months at Brum? I would say keeping them up last season with the shitshow that was going on behind the scenes was quite an achievement. Theres a reason Rangers were allegedly interested in him. He may not be what we need right now and there are possibly better options. However theres plentyl worse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 13:45:00 GMT
Can’t help but feel the longer this rolls on that there might actually be at least some truth in it. There is plenty of ‘typical Coates’ managers available and unattached and local-ish so it could have been wrapped up by now so save having a caretaker for a minimum of 2 games. What gives me confidence is (and although people on here won’t like it) we are/were a very similar sized club to Wolves and the fact the athletic reported he wanted a challenge, he certainly doesn’t NEED the money but it will always be a key consideration. He has the opportunity to replicate exactly what he did with Wolves here (providing we meet his demands) where he was idolised. If he did that with us, considering the position were in and what we’ve been through these last 6-8 years he could pretty much become a legend overnight. He also has a chance to save the Coates reputation and legacy at the club. He would be afforded every opportunity by the fan base as he’s the only one that seems to come even close to uniting us. but it clearly shows a change in direction from the board aswell as himself having real pedigree. He’s taken wolves team up and got them finish higher then we ever did under Hughes, twice. So could be a real long standing appointment. And removed the failed economy of keeping sacking managers and their staff, albeit no guarantee. He would be backed to do pretty much whatever he wanted (Like Neil has/had been) which must be a real rarity these days. I’m not sure if he’s had experience of the DOF/TD set up but could be instrumental in us actually setting that up properly as I’m sure Porto would have had that structure in place. And finally whilst some might not like his links to Jorge Mendes and I for one couldn’t care less, having access to a pool of players like that would be incredible and bring some real genuine excitement back. Maybe I’m trying to talk my self into it, maybe I’m trying to manifest it. But in a lot of ways, it actually makes a lot of sense and could be a match made in heaven. Once you have achieved those things, why would you want to do it again? People surely want their careers to progress, not go backwards.
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Post by nsd on Dec 16, 2023 14:04:12 GMT
Can’t help but feel the longer this rolls on that there might actually be at least some truth in it. There is plenty of ‘typical Coates’ managers available and unattached and local-ish so it could have been wrapped up by now so save having a caretaker for a minimum of 2 games. What gives me confidence is (and although people on here won’t like it) we are/were a very similar sized club to Wolves and the fact the athletic reported he wanted a challenge, he certainly doesn’t NEED the money but it will always be a key consideration. He has the opportunity to replicate exactly what he did with Wolves here (providing we meet his demands) where he was idolised. If he did that with us, considering the position were in and what we’ve been through these last 6-8 years he could pretty much become a legend overnight. He also has a chance to save the Coates reputation and legacy at the club. He would be afforded every opportunity by the fan base as he’s the only one that seems to come even close to uniting us. but it clearly shows a change in direction from the board aswell as himself having real pedigree. He’s taken wolves team up and got them finish higher then we ever did under Hughes, twice. So could be a real long standing appointment. And removed the failed economy of keeping sacking managers and their staff, albeit no guarantee. He would be backed to do pretty much whatever he wanted (Like Neil has/had been) which must be a real rarity these days. I’m not sure if he’s had experience of the DOF/TD set up but could be instrumental in us actually setting that up properly as I’m sure Porto would have had that structure in place. And finally whilst some might not like his links to Jorge Mendes and I for one couldn’t care less, having access to a pool of players like that would be incredible and bring some real genuine excitement back. Maybe I’m trying to talk my self into it, maybe I’m trying to manifest it. But in a lot of ways, it actually makes a lot of sense and could be a match made in heaven. Once you have achieved those things, why would you want to do it again? People surely want their careers to progress, not go backwards. maybe he enjoys the long term project
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 14:07:48 GMT
Once you have achieved those things, why would you want to do it again? People surely want their careers to progress, not go backwards. maybe he enjoys the long term project Then he’s in the wrong era of football 😂
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 16, 2023 14:15:58 GMT
He maybe a half decent coach and may have done ok with Kidderminster and 2 months at brum. With our club in the state it’s in now in my opinion eustace appointment would seal relegation and if I’m honest I cant believe he is up there in the betting. Out of all the names out there we would be scraping the barrel again 2 months at Brum? I would say keeping them up last season with the shitshow that was going on behind the scenes was quite an achievement. Theres a reason Rangers were allegedly interested in him. He may not be what we need right now and there are possibly better options. However theres plentyl worse. How is a manager who saved a team from relegation in this league last season and got them into a playoff slot this season not a manager we need right now? I'm not saying he's necessarily the best manager but in terms of where we are now he really couldn't be better qualified.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 16, 2023 14:33:36 GMT
2 months at Brum? I would say keeping them up last season with the shitshow that was going on behind the scenes was quite an achievement. Theres a reason Rangers were allegedly interested in him. He may not be what we need right now and there are possibly better options. However theres plentyl worse. How is a manager who saved a team from relegation in this league last season and got them into a playoff slot this season not a manager we need right now? I'm not saying he's necessarily the best manager but in terms of where we are now he really couldn't be better qualified. Im probably on your page mate
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Post by mattface on Dec 16, 2023 14:49:43 GMT
How is a manager who saved a team from relegation in this league last season and got them into a playoff slot this season not a manager we need right now? I'm not saying he's necessarily the best manager but in terms of where we are now he really couldn't be better qualified. Im probably on your page mate It's interesting to see where they now are under Rooney. Not saying it's the best appointment just don't see it's the worst
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 16, 2023 14:57:48 GMT
Not sure why this thread is still running, clearly isn't coming, so let's focus on potential people who are or might.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 16, 2023 15:01:18 GMT
Im probably on your page mate It's interesting to see where they now are under Rooney. Not saying it's the best appointment just don't see it's the worst Precisely. And some on here are arguing we need to get a big name because it will up our media profile. I'm sure Birmingham's media profile has improved but I'm pretty sure most Birmingham fans preferred being in the playoff spots than where they are now. Give me boring and competent every time.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 16, 2023 15:26:36 GMT
Can’t help but feel the longer this rolls on that there might actually be at least some truth in it. There is plenty of ‘typical Coates’ managers available and unattached and local-ish so it could have been wrapped up by now so save having a caretaker for a minimum of 2 games. What gives me confidence is (and although people on here won’t like it) we are/were a very similar sized club to Wolves and the fact the athletic reported he wanted a challenge, he certainly doesn’t NEED the money but it will always be a key consideration. He has the opportunity to replicate exactly what he did with Wolves here (providing we meet his demands) where he was idolised. If he did that with us, considering the position were in and what we’ve been through these last 6-8 years he could pretty much become a legend overnight. He also has a chance to save the Coates reputation and legacy at the club. He would be afforded every opportunity by the fan base as he’s the only one that seems to come even close to uniting us. but it clearly shows a change in direction from the board aswell as himself having real pedigree. He’s taken wolves team up and got them finish higher then we ever did under Hughes, twice. So could be a real long standing appointment. And removed the failed economy of keeping sacking managers and their staff, albeit no guarantee. He would be backed to do pretty much whatever he wanted (Like Neil has/had been) which must be a real rarity these days. I’m not sure if he’s had experience of the DOF/TD set up but could be instrumental in us actually setting that up properly as I’m sure Porto would have had that structure in place. And finally whilst some might not like his links to Jorge Mendes and I for one couldn’t care less, having access to a pool of players like that would be incredible and bring some real genuine excitement back. Maybe I’m trying to talk my self into it, maybe I’m trying to manifest it. But in a lot of ways, it actually makes a lot of sense and could be a match made in heaven. Once you have achieved those things, why would you want to do it again? People surely want their careers to progress, not go backwards. Because he progressed, chose the wrong job and instead of going back into a Palace/Everton/bornmouth type club which could easily go as wrong as it could right. He could join a club with frankly the lowest of low expectations at the minute and build us up to then try to move on again to a top team in one of the top 5 leagues (not necessarily the prem again). Sometimes you do have to take 1 step back to take 2 forward.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Dec 16, 2023 15:42:46 GMT
If it is eustace or any of the other usual suspects then we will be in this same position in 12/18 months Eustace may be ok but his win rate was no better than neils, obviously a manager has to fit whether they are guardiola or pulis just don't think it would be good for us or the fanbase for more of the same i for 1 am sick of watching it.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 16, 2023 15:48:52 GMT
It's interesting to see where they now are under Rooney. Not saying it's the best appointment just don't see it's the worst Precisely. And some on here are arguing we need to get a big name because it will up our media profile. I'm sure Birmingham's media profile has improved but I'm pretty sure most Birmingham fans preferred being in the playoff spots than where they are now. Give me boring and competent every time. why can’t you have both ?
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Post by chad on Dec 16, 2023 15:53:19 GMT
Of cause I would love it if NES became our manager,but been realistic,does Coates have the bottle to go for it,will be risk spending a lot of money in the hope we will have the riches to come if he gets us promoted? Or will be revert to type,hoping to get promoted with someone who cost a lot less to get. Or maybe NES hadn’t applied, doesn’t want the job, and was not the least bit interested. Because apart from this message board the idea of him coming here hasn’t been mentioned in anywhere Can’t blame JC for not appointing someone who didn’t want the job anyway
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Post by thornestein on Dec 16, 2023 15:55:55 GMT
Of cause I would love it if NES became our manager,but been realistic,does Coates have the bottle to go for it,will be risk spending a lot of money in the hope we will have the riches to come if he gets us promoted? Or will be revert to type,hoping to get promoted with someone who cost a lot less to get. Or maybe NES hadn’t applied, doesn’t want the job, and was not the least bit interested. Because apart from this message board the idea of him coming here hasn’t been mentioned in anywhere Can’t blame JC for not appointing someone who didn’t want the job anyway it wasn’t just on here though , plenty of social media and news papers reported it
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 16, 2023 15:56:15 GMT
If it is eustace or any of the other usual suspects then we will be in this same position in 12/18 months Eustace may be ok but his win rate was no better than neils, obviously a manager has to fit whether they are guardiola or pulis just don't think it would be good for us or the fanbase for more of the same i for 1 am sick of watching it. Been said so many times now, how you can compare Neil’s win % with a newly built squad chasing promotion to Eustaces win % with a relegation threatened Brum. Can play around with statistics all ya want This season Neil’s win rate is 30% Eustace (before being sacked whilst in a playoff position) was 46%
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Post by thornestein on Dec 16, 2023 16:03:21 GMT
If it is eustace or any of the other usual suspects then we will be in this same position in 12/18 months Eustace may be ok but his win rate was no better than neils, obviously a manager has to fit whether they are guardiola or pulis just don't think it would be good for us or the fanbase for more of the same i for 1 am sick of watching it. Been said so many times now, how you can compare Neil’s win % with a newly built squad chasing promotion to Eustaces win % with a relegation threatened Brum. Can play around with statistics all ya want This season Neil’s win rate is 30% Eustace (before being sacked whilst in a playoff position) was 46% you say he was in a playoff position but at the time of sacking he was also just a few points off relegation also , it was that early in the season it means fuck all , as we were all told over our position by lots on here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 16:04:45 GMT
Once you have achieved those things, why would you want to do it again? People surely want their careers to progress, not go backwards. Because he progressed, chose the wrong job and instead of going back into a Palace/Everton/bornmouth type club which could easily go as wrong as it could right. He could join a club with frankly the lowest of low expectations at the minute and build us up to then try to move on again to a top team in one of the top 5 leagues (not necessarily the prem again). Sometimes you do have to take 1 step back to take 2 forward. But he doesn’t have to. He’d quite likely still get a job at a Premier League team (or a team in any of the top divisions).
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Post by baconburger on Dec 16, 2023 16:08:49 GMT
Of cause I would love it if NES became our manager,but been realistic,does Coates have the bottle to go for it,will be risk spending a lot of money in the hope we will have the riches to come if he gets us promoted? Or will be revert to type,hoping to get promoted with someone who cost a lot less to get. He kind of needs to retain some money(FFP) to spend on players because the ones we have ain't getting promoted if he employs bloody Pep, Klopp or the ghost of Bill Shankley to manage them.
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 16, 2023 16:15:49 GMT
Been said so many times now, how you can compare Neil’s win % with a newly built squad chasing promotion to Eustaces win % with a relegation threatened Brum. Can play around with statistics all ya want This season Neil’s win rate is 30% Eustace (before being sacked whilst in a playoff position) was 46% you say he was in a playoff position but at the time of sacking he was also just a few points off relegation also , it was that early in the season it means fuck all , as we were all told over our position by lots on here I love how the saying is always ‘let’s see where we are after 10 games’ , the table starts to take shape after 10 games’, Eustace was 11 games in and run were 5th but that was still too early… Ps brum were 10 points off the relegation zone not ‘a few points’ and we were 21st , go figure
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 16, 2023 16:19:45 GMT
Of cause I would love it if NES became our manager,but been realistic,does Coates have the bottle to go for it,will be risk spending a lot of money in the hope we will have the riches to come if he gets us promoted? Or will be revert to type,hoping to get promoted with someone who cost a lot less to get. He kind of needs to retain some money(FFP) to spend on players because the ones we have ain't getting promoted if he employs bloody Pep, Klopp or the ghost of Bill Shankley to manage them. A lot of people seem to be overlooking the FFP angle if we were to appoint Nuno. Lets just say he came with all his entorage and it didnt work out, we probably wouldnt be able to sack them
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 16, 2023 16:26:44 GMT
This is massively going to put Eustace or Carsley on the back foot, as the club hasn’t managed expectations at all. The club have got better things to do than manage the expectations of the very small proportion of their supporters who slavishly read the Nuno Espirito Santo thread on The Oatcake.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 16, 2023 16:34:16 GMT
He kind of needs to retain some money(FFP) to spend on players because the ones we have ain't getting promoted if he employs bloody Pep, Klopp or the ghost of Bill Shankley to manage them. A lot of people seem to be overlooking the FFP angle if we were to appoint Nuno. Lets just say he came with all his entorage and it didnt work out, we probably wouldnt be able to sack them Do they really think all these players need is the right manager to be up there? I'm not knocking the Summer recruitment they're a mixed bag, you wouldn't expect any different given the number of deals we did and very modest outlay. There are some gaping holes in the squad that need filling ASAP. We can't leave the cupboard bare whoever we employ to manage them. We have neither a goalkeeper or a centre forward worthy of the name and that's just the really desperate stuff.
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Post by figo85 on Dec 16, 2023 16:47:05 GMT
This is massively going to put Eustace or Carsley on the back foot, as the club hasn’t managed expectations at all. The club have got better things to do than manage the expectations of the very small proportion of their supporters who slavishly read the Nuno Espirito Santo thread on The Oatcake. They definitely have a social media team who should be used to manage this. Folk have shown that they believe any old shite that someone plasters on the internet.
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